How come whenever I look up stuff on vaping (nicotine) I always see so many articles talking about how dangerous it is, whereas if I look up vaping marijuana, almost all articles are usually not talking about the dangers of it?
In general, how come most propaganda I see talks about banning Juuls but then they always shill for smoking/vaping weed when both pretty much do the same thing? (Reasons other than just looking like a faggot)
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there is actually one legit explanation of this, just hear me out
cannabis vapes ideally are pure co2 oil, if they add filler is the cheapest of the cheap
that filler, along with flavors, is the main problem with e-cigs
see, they don't have much data on those flavors, no data really, on what they break down into when heated...
the fillers are like, glycerin or PEG which is pretty toxic when you heat it up into a cloud, I would imagine..
but then there is the issue of the heating element maybe being bad, if they're cheaply made, metal from it could be inhaled (in tiny amounts)
(((They))) want you to think it is a safe alternative...think about it.
Teaheads are the vegans of the drug world.
the counter argument would be that cannabis (the whole plant form) is like 400+ different chemicals (naturally occurring)
the extract I dunno how many different kinds of molecules
but even then it is probably still less harmful
You nigger look up nicotine vs thc stop being so fucking ignorant and kys
tobacco industry
duh
THC is much safer than nicotine
Anti-vape is funded by the legacy tobacco industry
Nicotine blocks androgens (male hormones) breaking into estrogen
Yeah, who need a memory or high sperm count.
Tobacco industry in damage control mode. Vaping is a direct competitor to tobacco companies, of which have been seeing shrinking margins over the years after the deleterious health effects have been made common knowledge. Vaping is accelerating the decline of these companies faster than they can transition to different industries, so they want to they’re looking for anyway possible to minimize the competition.
my guess is they can put age limits on tobacco and weed, but not vape pens. my younger cousins tell me that a lot of kids vape now, like a scary amount.
Vaping Cannabis is much better than smoke. But for generations people have been used to smoking and never had the vaping technology.
Thc vapes are made usually with safer methods and materials since its regulated out the ass.
Nicotine kills sperm count, thc raises it.
My experience vaping nicotine
>No negative side effects I got from smoking. can do cardio, taste food, no bad smells. I smell kind of like blue raspberry slushies, though.
>Relaxing but not overwhelming 6mg dose freebase nicotine.
>Avoid nicotine salt, it is too potent for frequent consumption. Juuls especially boast 50+ mg of nicotine SALT which is already more potent than freebase nicotine which most people don't exceed 6mg doses.
My experience with weed
>Anxiety
>depression
>lethargy
>Numbs the emotions that push you to achieve and grow
>Makes you too comfortable doing nothing with your life.
>Expensive as fuck, was vaping half an ounce a week, that's about 240$ a month just to get high. I spend only 20$ a month on nicotine juice.
>No dreams, ever.
Since I quit weed my life has improved significantly. Put away the reefer, it IS harmful unless your ambitions are to sit around watching old cartoons in bed all day.
Weed makes being a lazy piece of shit tolerable mentally.
Because weed lovers are delusional fucks
Pure concentrated nicotine resin will soak through your skin and kill you. You are a retarded faggot and you should stfu every chance you get.
Water can kill you too.
.t boomer
>Could be
So it could be just fine
I'm 25.
I was smoking weed from age 15 multiple times a day till I quit earlier this year.
That's ten years of smoking, dabbing, vaping, daily. I've probably spent thousands of dollars on weed.
It's not worth it, user. Drugs fuck up your nervous system and make it impossible to have dreams or spiritual experiences without the drug.
Smoking weed is like hitting a pause button on life, but everybody around you keeps moving forward and developing while you stand still.
Weed is for slaves and retired people, not men.
There is no joint industry that stands to lose billions of dollars if people vape their weed instead of smoking it.
This
>Smoking from age 15
There's your problem. Weed's known to hamper juvenile development.
>>Avoid nicotine salt, it is too potent for frequent consumption. Juuls especially boast 50+ mg of nicotine SALT which is already more potent than freebase nicotine which most people don't exceed 6mg doses.
moron i used to sub ohm .3% nic salts and it is immensely better than freebase
.3 is similar to 3mg freebase
otherwise good post
Vaping thc has never worked as well as just smoking it for me.
“We all want expanded consciousness and bliss. It's a natural, human desire. And a lot of people look for it in drugs. But the problem is that the body, the physiology, takes a hard hit on drugs. Drugs injure the nervous system, so they just make it harder to get those experiences on your own.
Besides, far more profound experiences are available naturally. When your consciousness stars expanding, those experiences are there. All those things can be seen. It's just a matter of expanding that ball of consciousness. And the ball of consciousness can expand to be infinite and unbounded. It's totality. You can have totality. So all those experiences are there for you, without the side effects of drugs.” - David Lynch creator of Twin Peaks, Mulholland Drive, and more.
Oh wow, an artist has an opinion. Cute.
yes I know I used to vape bluedotvapors nic salt juices because they sold 3mg and it was perfect.
they can't sell salt anymore so I switched back to freebase but honestly I prefer freebase because you can chainvape more.
Nic salts are more instantly satisfying, but I like 3-6mg freebase because it's more mild so you can chainvape while you watch a kino or something.
where do you get your juice? Ever try bluedotvapors?
my tissues say otherwise
there's a point where cope posting just leads to people ignoring you.
contribute some decent posts once in a while, nobody likes to see cope
go heat up vegetable glycerin and polyethylene glycol thru your day and inhale it
good on you lass
because your ass is grass
Same reason you can't trust a word of any site involving pit bulls, it's a fucking obsessive cult that will pretend you don't exist when you get hurt by their kool aid
Not everything is a Jewish conspiracy you fucking schizoposter. You are part of why this board is shit
its about the money. I used to smoke a pack every day, sometimes a pack would stretch 3 days. I smoked american spirits at about $8 a pack. my the vape fluid I get costs me $14 dollars for two months. so $240 dollars or so a month for cigarettes, or $7 dollars a month for my vape fluid. every single person that stops smoking cigarettes and goes to a vape, tobacco companies lose thousands in profits a year.
I hopped onto the e-cig bandwagon years ago just to jump right back off of it.
My favorite flavor was Redbull. Shit tasted JUST LIKE Redbull. I loved it. Bought bottles of it.... until one day, it dawned on me.
I went to the vape shop to buy another bottle but they were out. Guy says he can make some real quick. I agree and guy goes into the back and 5 minutes later comes out with the bottle.
Did this fucker go back and pour a bottle of Redbull into a base batch of liquid and Im inhaling fucking Redbull? Then I start thinking about the rest of the flavors and this bullshit claim that "youre just inhaling water"....
man I miss american spirits.
Sadly you can't smoke frequently longterm because it lowers your blood oxygen levels and leads to health issues that nullify any pleasure of benefit that smoking gives you, and each cigarette just turns you from miserable to baseline, no longer buzzed.
there's tons of online juice companies that sell 100 ml bottles for less than 20$ and have redbull flavors.
with weed vaporizers (not extract) you are literally just heating up the plant matter till the canabinoids reach their boiling point
is totally fucking different
dude the redbull is probably a mixture of 2 or 3 flavors and it just taste weird like pissbull
kek, that's why I vape without flavours.
The availability wasnt the issue. The issue was that it tasted just like Redbull. I dont believe there is any combination of flavors that could do that. My opinion is that they were pouring redbull into ecig liquid and I dont want to inhale redbull.
It tasted just like redbull. I dont believe that it was a combination of flavors. It was redbull.
true for sub 110 IQ untermenschen
Just VG? or do you use PG?
a lot of people say pure VG has a sweetness to it and the bite of nicotine mixed with the sweetness is pretty much a flavor
In an attempt to make my own weed liquid, I bought a bottle of VG. Its very sweet.
If it had real sugar in it it would taste like burning. They probably just had a concentrate flavor they put into a large premade batch of plain juice so they don't have to waste unsold product.
I bet tobacco industries have alot to do with it.
I also think nicotine vape stuff has more frequent use so you can record results better.
For instance you replace smoking with vaping. You smoke it like you would with cigarettes. So you might typically hit your vape several times an hour. Several hundreds of times a day. I've knowed casual users only have a 50ml bottle last a little under a week.
You smoke thc vape stuff to get high. Sure there might be some retards that hit it constantly. But most people take maybe three to five hits every hour or so, for a few hours. I would say a casual user would take 10-15 his dayly, and still under a hundred a week.
I've known casual users have a 1.5 ml tank last a month.
This is from observation with no scientific basis of course.
So with the dialed back use its harder to observe any effects and be able to claim its from that.
Also I bet it's hard to find someone exclusively vapes thc. I feel like most people who do either vapes nicotine, or also normally smokes pot. But pots isn't legal in my state either. So you have to know a drug dealer anyways a thc tank so I might be entily wrong on that.
Then vapimg has been popular for several years now, I'd like to say 7 or 8
The weed vaping has been around but it's only been popular for a year or two. So it just might not of had enough time to have a whole lot written about it.
Also, my final point I promise. I would say that nicotine vaping has a much larger consumer base than weed vaping. So people are gonna focus on the bigger thing of course.
Vaping avoids carcinogens which helps you avoid cancer, however not all vapes are made well and 100% safe and so you can end up inhaling ceramics and metal vapors alongside your substance and that does damage.
it was designed to kill more people than normal cigs. for instance why even have ones without nicotine ? whats the point of inhaling particulate matter if your not taking in a substance that affects the body in some positive way like a upper? what do all those flavoring agents do to the body? what do they do to the lungs? how sticky is the smoke? you can call it what ever you want its smoke. unburned particles other wise it would all be some oxide and some oxides would be present because you used high temp heat (above 400 degrees F)
I would smoke them but I don’t want to look like a nigger and/or a faggot.
the 0mg juice is for people who are trying to ween off of nicotine in general and the act of inhaling and exhaling a vapor makes the mental strain more tolerable.
stupid I know but a lot of people are weird and need that smoking effect to break the habit eventually.
VG 75% + PG
There is a slight sweeteness present.
Tastes good enough for me.
What's the best vape?
I couldn't tell you. I have lots of friends that vape and so I pick up knowledge from them on the dangers. Despite the cancer risk, I prefer to just burn the plants. It connects me with my ancestors and there is some comfort in that.
> I dont believe there is any combination of flavors that could do that. My opinion is that they were pouring redbull into ecig liquid and I dont want to inhale redbull.
>It tasted just like redbull. I dont believe that it was a combination of flavors. It was redbull.
What about the combination of flavors that make redbull taste like redbull?
Listen I'm really not trying to defend vaping, or just argue that your wrong.
But I don't think it's like that. Like I don't think the oil would mix with redbull, it would separate. And I don't think you could do anything to inhale redbull short of Boling it. It wouldn't vapeorise cosistantly like the glycerine. Also there's sugar in redbull, I'm pretty sure any sugar intruduce to an heat element like that would imedently taste like just burnt junk.
I've only vaped afew time but the place I've got mine from they make the stuff to order in front of you. And you see them adding any flavor extract you can think of. Redbulls a pretty artificial taste it would be pretty easy to artificially reproduce.
I meant they might be adding so femaldihide, or some other various concoction of chemicals to would be 100 time worse than smoking redbull. But I don't think they're adding redbull.
But vapor is 5x better than smoke?
If you get a quality vape then I know it's more safe. I couldn't quantify it with a number, but the extract ensures you only inhale your desired drug with minimal additives around it.
get an RTA atomizer and always use Kanthal coils
Probably more than that:
>There are approximately 599 ingredients in >cigarettes. When a cigarette is burning, they >create more than 7,000 chemicals. At least 69 >of these chemicals are known to cause cancer >(carcinogenic), and many are extremely >poisonous.
In a proper vape you only vaporize 3 chems
Vegetable Glycerin
Propylene Glycol
Nicotine
Yes, i don't like additives
Thank you
I don't understand why humanity as a whole doesn't acknowledge that vaping cannabis is better.
the actual constituents of vapor from either type are not harmful if at a proper temperature and purity
you should be concerned about possible scarring from excessive exposure to chemical alcohols (propylene glycol) which over time could be proven to dry out your lungs and make them scaley just like alcohol would do to skin
the biggest worry is getting acute heavy metal poisoning from buildup of chromium/arsenic/lead/cadmium that vapes off of impure coils at high tempurature. for this reason I stay away from pre-built manufactured coils that may be made with metals or glues that do not meet safety or purity standards
unfortunately metal wire is not intended for human consumption and is therefor not regulated in the United States by the USDA and manufacturers have no obligation to ensure it doesn't cause cancer and brain damage. we probably wont really know for sure for 10-20 years but if you use high VG, organic food safe ingredients, vape at low temperature and clean/change and burn off your coils often the risk is probably low. Vaping temps for metals are quite high like 600+ C i think so im not too worried cause i built my own and use temp control
>vaping marijuana
People actually do this. Seriously what is wrong with
>Blunt
>Bong.
>Joint
Swear you waste more weed doing that shit.
anything geekvape is okay for beginners
more flavor, no smoke, and you can cook with the used weed to truly get all out from it
still i also like blunts, bong, joint as anyelse and will smoke one in a heart beat, idk
Imho it's hard to compare the cannabis experience to nicotine.
Totally different drugs.
I prefer nicotine myself, cannabis for some reason doesn't make me "feel good" and it clouds my consciousness - nicotine gives me the opposite effect.
But what I like about cannabis is - what I feel the next day after smoking it - it helps me reset my emotions back to baseline, if I felt negative before.
all flavors invariably end up gunking the wick and coil with charcoal, which at one point just tastes like burnt junk, which it is
that's why you clean the coil (dry burn or ultrasound) and change the wick
also happens with unflavored (slowly)
but some gunk up really fast, since they obviously contain bigger particles, like juice based on actual tobacco (even filtered, it's the leaves particles that give the tobacco taste), or cocoa flavors (eg flavour art's... gunks up after a few mL of juice, and is dark as shit in the flavor bottle)
anyway, there are shitloads of redbull flavors available
haven't tried because I hate redbull, but apparently pretty easy to reproduce
>But what I like about cannabis is - what I feel the next day after smoking it - it helps me reset my emotions back to baseline, if I felt negative before.
I feel this way every time i smoke cannabis. I don't think chronic smokers (stoners) even feel this
shut the fuck up boomer
vaping is 10x better than blunt, bongs, pipes, joints.
You get more out of weed and vapor is better than smoke. But everyone is used to smoking and are uneducated.
What do you mean for beginners?
Weed is for pussy faggots. Nicotine is for men. The problems with vaping is that you’re still putting particles into your lungs but it’s not nearly as bad because there isn’t as much or any combustion compared to actually lighting up a dart or joint or whatever the fuck you faggots call it.
>more flavor, no smoke, and you can cook with the used weed to truly get all out from it
You are doing too much at once Costa Rica. Pick one and go from there.
Keep licking that battery U.S. no one is stopping you looking like a cunt anyway.
>vaping is 10x better than blunt, bongs, pipes, joints.
>pic related.
Embarrassing Canada Embarrassing.
bullshit- i smoke some sativa before work and my productivity goes through the roof.
the stress and pressure would drive me to meds if i didnt have thc
same with my passions and weekend life- doing car work in my spare time is fun while elevated- so is yard work and other meaningless life wasting activities you are forced to do.
i have a 10 year long running career- will be sr. level management next year.
Its different for everyone- but i do agree with the cost
I switched to vaping to quit smoking. I started getting infected teeth and infected eye and now my ear is infected. I have narrowed it down to the vape. Apparently the PG in vape fluid pools up inside the body. So now I have to quit vaping too, I might just go back to smoking.
Dude just educate yourself on the differences between smoke and vapor.
I just want to inhale all the goodness cannabis had to offer.
Why do you think it is impossible to replicate red bull? Red bull is just flavoring.
as in you can put any build inside and it just works
Why does sperm count matter when you're spilling your seed on the ground or in a sock?
Tobacco and nicotine lower estrogen as well as speeding up metabolism
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
THC and marijuana raise prolactin, cortisol and lower metabolism/thyroid
medpagetoday.com
>I just want to inhale all the goodness cannabis had to offer.
Jesus just go sit in the fucking corner at this point. Fuck your vaping over a blunt hit.
heard of that for one vaper
his hygiene is doubtful, though, and it's a faggot with a poo boyfriend
so I bet you're not exactly the clean freak type either, noticeably with your atomizer, leaf
particularly since PG is actually a disinfectant, if anything...
No I brush my teeth 3 times a day, and I've had a bunch of scans done (MRI XRAY etc) It's the vape.
>Did this fucker go back and pour a bottle of Redbull into a base batch of liquid and Im inhaling fucking Redbull? Then I start thinking about the rest of the flavors and this bullshit claim that "youre just inhaling water"....
you are an absolute retard
try to vape redbull i dare you, youll probably die, they were good with flavor mixing
i used to hit a vape pen for a while
but then i bought a new coil for it one day and the thing just started hissing like crazy and super heated pieces of juice started coming out the top and the vape started leaking like crazy
tossed it in the bin after that and switched to a juul. like the pods way better than the messy and odorous fluids plus a lot more discrete than a big ass vape pen
dont really like having to deal with nico salts that much but its not so bad. not in love with the price of 18/pack of pods tho. already sketched out enough about maybe trace metals in it to go for chinese knockoff pods
I use an aspire breeze 2
it's perfect for what I need it for.
youre prob allergic to pg dude just get a 100% vg liquid, the flavor is in pg so its like 99% vtg but yeah i am sure thatll help
Some more positives:
gwern.net
nicotine boosted IQ scores in a small sample of smokers, specifically scores on the RAPM12 (possibly related to its increasing global connectivity since IQ is being increasingly reified as measuring the global connectivity of multiple brain subsystems)
reaction time is improved, as is inspection time and visual search (but perhaps due solely to faster motor reaction?)
pilots’ performance enhanced 4/5 as much as donepezil does; improves late-day piloting
driving performance enhanced
overnight performance on various memory & attention13 tasks (“These data suggest that when performance is being measured overnight, smokers show little or no impairment, whilst the performance of non-smokers showed performance decrements.”)
faster performance on Stroop and word classification
“acute nicotine administration may exert direct beneficial effects on novelty detection and subsequent memory recognition”
in smokers, improved prospective memory (things one intends to do); Rusted et al 2005
can improve handwriting
helps ADHD (Conners et al 1996; or Levin et al 1996 - as well as OCD, see previous footnote): “Results indicate significant clinician-rated global improvement, self-rated vigor and concentration, and improved performance on chronometric measures of attention and timing accuracy.”
may help depression1415
may help symptoms of schizophrenia via increased synthesis of GABA & increased effectiveness of cognitive training (see Wikipedia), and protect against Parkinson’s & Alzheimers, see Fratiglioni & Wang 200016 but note the difficulties in dealing with mortality bias (or just general cognitive impairment in the elderly)
A meta-analysis of nicotine studies reports results similar to older literature reviews (eg. Warburton 1992, Newhouse et al 2004):
Media is very inept, stupid, out of touch, and they think they're the good guys. They seem very very lazy and not willing to go beyond the surface of many things. I'm willing to bet that most of them don't know you can vape marijuana and when they find out that they'll tack that onto their fear mongering. I remember when there was a story that the Nintendo DS was gonna result in pedophiles chatting with people's kids.
>I'm doing well as a stoner
does not equal
>Being a stoner does not inflict on my ability to do well.
Maybe if you got sober, dealt with your problems without drugs, you could become 5x a better man and find more success.
Maybe weed is holding you back more than you realize.
Just a thought.
wtf it's not the vape it's the fact that you're fingering your own asshole then rubbing your eyes after
>thc raises it.
Source on that pls.
yeah, sure
PG, a disinfectant, gave you an infection
funnily enough, that's exactly what the other filthy faggot said to me, lol
bet that like him, you live in a cesspool of bacteria, and never bothered to actually clean your atomizer either (at best)
>glycerin or PEG which is pretty toxic when you heat it up into a cloud, I would imagine
I'm imagining every single Jew spontaneously combusting, really really hard too. This should tell you something about the power of imagination.
where do I get pure vg fluid?
I checked a bunch of vaping forums, a lot of people are having the same problem.
the study that claims weed raises testosterone was debunked after they found out the men they studied already had high test and drug users just tend to have higher test than non-drug users and take more risks
Why are you getting so defensive, are you THAT addicted?
Wow bro you are soOOOOOOO redpilled!
So just one question, who is (((they))) and where are they located? I'm sure your right wing fragile mind will come back to me.
You're probably just allergic to propylene glycol then.
try 100% VG juice.
also do some research because propylene glycol is in many products you use everyday including soaps and face washes and mouthwash.
You might be using products that are poison to you and not realize it.
I'm just amused
because I've seen the case already, and know full well the actual explanation (ie lrn2hygiene)
vapers, how do I avoid skin rash and acne?
I literally never had them and vaping causes them
I use E-Joy liquid