Considering pretty much every woman out there can fend for herself and do everything she might need by herself what do...

Female friends do all that better than men though

And a dildo is bigger, thicker and vibrates.

But it's a biological need

So having a gf is a biological need, but women don't feel that about guys at all? Get fucked OP

Women need men, not a dude bro or a incel in training. A man keeps his word, does right by his family and follows though on goals. Since most guys are just walking life support for a dick you gotta stand out from the crowd somehow.

I don't think they do, really. For pretty much all of history men and women marrying have been relationships born of need (men want sex and women needed resources), now women can get resources for themselves so men can go get fucked (I am not saying this is a bad thing by the way).

Being alone is still lonely if they don’t have real friends. Since women make bad friends I feel sorry for them, it’s not that they’re had people but they’re one dimensional.

Nah that's bullshit, I have a few female friends and they're beautiful people who care about each other. I've been asked more often if I'm alright by one of my female friends than any of my male ones.

Needing a dick to give your life meaning is really pathetic (and codependency), you know that, right?

Believe it or not, women want sex just as much as guys do. And going back to your post about dildos, I've never met a girl that would take a dildo over a dick. Contrary to what porn has probably taught you, there's a lot more to sex than getting fucked hard by a big dick.

I believe that's because women are just naturally more openly emotional and more emotionally intelligent, while guys are generally more closed off about that. Personally I think that's because we live in a society

>girl talks about loving her bf
>therefore she just likes dick?
Let me guess, you're an incel?

Lol. You have very little understanding of human nature if you think it is not the most natural thing we do.
The vast majority of people are nothing in a vacuum and only find meaning in relations to others.

Also loving someone, even viscerally and deeply, is not what codependency means.

Yeah but sex is pretty easy to get for most women, while it's not as easy for men. So they can get the sex then discard the male, as it says.

And yeah women are leagues better socially, that's why they make better friends I think.

The kind of woman that just wants to fuck a guy and discard him is not the kind of woman you or I should be going after for relationships. Guys can also get sex easily, even if it's not as easily, and they can also fuck the woman and discard her. Which isn't the kind of guy I want to be.

And imo women don't make better or worse friends. They're just different than guy friends, yet still just friends. No need to apply a value judgement across their entire gender

I can't get any woman so telling me "its not the kind of woman you want" is like telling me a Maserati isn't as good as a McLaren so it's not the kind of car I would want.
I disagree on the easy sex thing for the simple reason that women can get sex just by being up for it, as a man you'll have to actively chase it. Being active is harder than being reactive.

And on the last point eh, I guess. In my experience women tend to be nicer and more considerate.

Dick = man, retard

Having a BF and loving him is great, depending on him to give your life meaning IS codependency and not healthy.

mentalhealthamerica.net/co-dependency

Reread the woman's original post ().
She says that her boyfriend gives her life meaning, but never says that it's the only thing giving her life meaning. The things she says are given meaning by her boyfriend are either material (house) or superficial (looks), and the latter can easily be generalized into "my looks allowed me to attract a person who adds meaning to my life". Codependency is when another person becomes the only provider of meaning in life, but this is never implied or made explicit, only that this person is an aspect of life that adds meaning.

I have a psychology degree, but thanks for the link.

Co-dependency, in one sentence, is an unhealthy and abusive relationship/family dynamic where one of the partners has a mental or physical issue and the other side ignores it and feeds into their issue instead of facing it and help them overcoming it, or leaving the relationship.
Depending on your partner to give your life meaning is not codependence.

Go for drug addicts or impoverished single mothers. They'd be happy to have you help them in life I'm sure.

Oh don't worry, children easily push guys off the "I love you more than life"-pedestal.

Sometimes I wonder what kind of man you have to be to be able to attract a woman. Its weird how I can go through life and do pretty much everything a normal person does except anything that involves romantic attraction. It makes me wonder what the fuck went so wrong in my life, if I truly am such a massive failure or just an unlucky combination of psychological traits

>I can't get any woman so telling me "its not the kind of woman you want" is like telling me a Maserati isn't as good as a McLaren so it's not the kind of car I would want.
But women aren't like high end cars. If we're gonna use that analogy, I suppose we can say that women that just fuck and forget guys is like a 500$ beater car. Assuming you can afford better, why would you not go for better?
>inb4 I can't get any therefore I should just settle for whatever
Don't sell yourself short user, you can go and get a good woman if you apply yourself. Don't be desperate. Going back to the car analogy, I recently wanted a new car. I had a pretty limited budget, but I didn't settle for the first cheap civic I found. I waited and looked and now I've got a great low miles Miata.

>I disagree on the easy sex thing for the simple reason that women can get sex just by being up for it, as a man you'll have to actively chase it. Being active is harder than being reactive.
Easy sex is out there if you try user, but it's really not worth it imo. I know a girl that's 100% willing and hoping to jump on my dick if I let her. I'm not gonna disagree with you too much though, women can just go out and get sex, but that's not their fault. It's because of us desperate guys.

I don't need friends or pets either but I enjoy having them.
Also with the sex thing, if you have specific sexual tastes and a specific type why would you discard someone who fits it? Wanting to devote myself to a companion aside, if I can get the sub manlet of my dreams to like me damn right I'm going to try to keep him in my arms forever.

But for me they are like high end cars. I've never had mutual attraction with a girl, I've never had a girl check me out, I've never had a girl even remotely interested in me. What you say applies to 99% of other males, but apparently not me.

>Easy sex is out there if you try user, but it's really not worth it imo. I know a girl that's 100% willing and hoping to jump on my dick if I let her. I'm not gonna disagree with you too much though, women can just go out and get sex, but that's not their fault. It's because of us desperate guys.
I mean if you count paying for it then yeah I agree. I agree with you on the other part though, it's obviously not their fault that men are horny beasts and will jump at casual sex like piranhas.

you do need friends though, companionship is important
i guess what op is meaning that why bother with men when you can just have casual sex + masturbation + a strong circle of friends and i can honestly see where he's coming from

im a man myself and i struggle to see what the fuck i offer to a woman. to a friend, sure, but to a woman? a tiny dick and a clueless idiot who won't understand any of the shit she tells me

Best answer.

well i'm just gonna ssume that you barely have any semblance of a personality, and you're not fun or interesting, in fact talking to you is probably painful and most people limit exposure.

so yeah, not much

>Im an exception! I'm special!
Unless you're horribly disfigured, I really doubt it. Perhaps you just don't realize when a girl is interested? I know I'm still bad at catching that. Maybe is right and you're horribly boring. How often do you go and talk to women with the intention of taking them out?

>But for me they are like high end cars
No. Stop putting them on such a pedestal. Women are still people like us. Sometimes they can be more dumb than us, but they're still people nonetheless

I don't think I'm that special, I just think it's a set of qualities and circumstances that made me this way.

To give you an example I am 26 years old now (closing in on 27). For the last 9 years of my life I've been in such little contact with women it's entirely feasible what I'm saying:
- Friendgroup is exclusively male, extended friendgroup has a grand total of 2 female out of 20 something people
- Got into Uni at 17, studied CompSci so 3 girls in a 70 people class
- Started working at 22, IT workplaces tend to be pretty male dominated. Current one is roughly 10:1

The only hobbies I've kept through all these years are the same ones I've had for most of my life, which is reading and going to the gym.
For my first two years of college I would eat my dinner in a bathroom stall so I didn't have to face people in the cafeteria.

Do you understand the absolutely bottom tier person I am? I barely have the confidence to talk to people from my workplace that I've been talking for with for a year because I'm afraid to be a nuisance. How the fuck am I supposed to ask a girl out? Flirt with her? Are you insane? I can't do any of that shit, I'm simply unable to. That's what I mean when I say they're high end cars, they're correctly socialized unlike me. It's like I'm an entirely different human being to them. I can hold a conversation with a woman, yeah, but that's entirely it. I have no idea how to navigate attraction or anything similar because I have never experienced what it is for a person to be attracted to you and actually be interested in talking to you.

Maybe for some women, I have witnessed discussions between "WGTOW" or asexual women who seem happy with that. But many straight women do still feel the need for the specific sort of romantic companionship a man can offer. You know, someone you're familiar with and share memories with like a friend but can also makeout with and fuck. 2 in 1, shampoo and conditioner.

All of this said, I can empathize with his points since I've felt it myself. We're all replaceable so why would anyone want to be my friend let alone date me? But it's just insecurity. You've got to unironically work on loving yourself without external validation.
Not that identifying the issue makes it easier. It takes years of effort to overcome.

...how would you react to a woman just cold approaching you?
Sorry this is me bringing my personal issues into the thread, but I think I fucked up in pursuing a man like this by not going hard enough. He seemed to be very anxious when I talked to him so I avoided him afterwards (thought he disliked me), but maybe he was waiting for me to approach again because he didn't believe in himself...

Depends on what you mean by cold approach. If you're talking about walking up and saying "I think you're attractive" or something like that, probably get anxious and assume it's some kind of bad-faith prank and try to get away. If it's just walking up to chat, massive anxiety and try to hold a conversation and pray I bore you and you get away ASAP.

>I think I'm shit, therefore women are automatically worthy of high value
No you fucking dolt. How many fucking times am I going to repeat this? STOP PUTTING WOMEN ON A PEDESTAL. If you want change then start with your mindset. You're shit because you think you're shit. Women are so treasured by you because you think of them that way. You're always going to think you're being a nuisance because that's how you fucking feel going into an interaction. You can't do any of this shit because you constantly tell yourself that you can't. You're the one putting these restriction on you.

You can't come here just to bitch and moan about how you're the fucking problem. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Go fucking socialize. No one here is going to hold your hand through this, you have to go and experience this shit yourself, trial by fucking fire. You can't learn how to play an instrument without ever practicing. Likewise, you're not going to learn how to do this by only staring at a screen. You have to go out and do it.

Be confident in yourself user, look at what's good about you.

Attached: 1532629775389.jpg (1024x923, 126K)

I just asked him if I could get to know him at the end of our shared class. His hand was very sweaty when I shook it and he dipped into the bathroom to get away from me, and though he said yes he started skipping that elective for the rest of the semester. But he smiled at me in passing for a couple weeks afterwards and sat behind me during the exam.

Thanks for responding and sorry for hijacking again, but your post made me want to try again. I really can't get him off of my mind, he was almost always alone.

Then step your game up faggot, no woman has told me I'm less of any of these than a female friend because I put effort into it and into a genuine search for the truth.

If you're easily passed up, maybe do something for your market value instead of whining about how hard life is, eh

I understand what you're saying but I don't think you understand how trapped I am in my own brain because of how I am and my experiences.
Doing something new even with people I know is scary for me. The idea of going to a place and meeting new people gives me fucking panic.

I feel socially retarded because I am socially retarded. I know if I socialized more I'd stop being socially retarded, but I'd also probably end up hanging by a noose at all the faux pas and humiliation I'd feel at botching all these social interactions. That's why I feel trapped.

Yeah that's something I would do too. I would probably look for any excuse to try to dodge you and then just stop showing up and remove myself to not embarass myself against someone I perceive to be of higher value than me (in this case you since you have the balls to go and talk to a person you're interested to).

I'd get a massive ego boost if that happened to me, though. He probably at least felt nice.

>I feel socially retarded because I am socially retarded. I know if I socialized more I'd stop being socially retarded, but I'd also probably end up hanging by a noose at all the faux pas and humiliation I'd feel at botching all these social interactions. That's why I feel trapped.
The big difference between people who are better adjusted socially and "social retards" isn't that the former never embarrass and humiliate themselves - they're just willing to learn from those experiences, and shrug off the opinions of people who are spew judgement and criticism without being willing to take the same chances themselves.
In this time period, more and more of us can rightfully consider ourselves social retards in recovery. I look back at embarrassing shit I've done over the last few years, and some of it I really wince at and cringe, but that discomfort is temporary and is nothing compared to the horror of wasting your life by not making an effort to connect with others.

Nobody ever became a great boxer without taking a punch, and nobody makes meaningful connections without embarrassing themselves every now and then.

You're absolutely right, the problem comes from my attribution style.

When a healthy normal person such as you fails at something he takes it as a learning experience. For example he goes to chat a person up, and the person responds badly. He says "maybe the person was having a bad day, maybe I did something wrong, ah well, it happens".
When a person like me fails at something he internalizes the failure and it no longer is a failure but also a character flaw. If I go and do the same then the reaction will be "obviously they didn't want to talk to me, who the fuck would want to talk to me? Every time I try this I fuck it up, it's obvious where the issue is".

I am smart enough to realize this but not smart enough to fix it. I literally cannot do it, I still cringe to this day over shit I did 10 years ago, when I was fucking 16. Some of the things I did back then are still shit I'll probably never do again because of how bad I feel remembering about it (for example I had to share a bed with a girl because there were limited beds and it was the most miserable night I've ever had, I slept on top of the sheets with my arms close to my body so I didn't touch her in any possible way).

I have made small strides in improving myself socially, but I'm honestly hardcapped at small chat and maybe making acquaintances. At the pace I improve I'd maybe be ready for a relationship or to even allow myself to look romantically at a girl by the time I'm 60. Hell I'm already old enough for how fucking useless I am socially.

Easy to assume improvement would take forever until you actually start putting in effort on a regular basis, but let's assume your worst case is true, and you won't be "ready for a relationship" until you're 60.
You're in your late twenties now, so that was 33 years of meeting and learning about people starting from where you are now. A lot of people improve dramatically and make a lot of solid friends in four years (go out and look at the difference in social confidence between college freshman and seniors, the difference is night and day), and you've been working at this for 8 times that. Envision of the version of yourself that started this effort at your age, and compare him to the version that didn't.

Which one do you think has a more fulfilling life so far, even if both are still single?

You guys make me sick.

I'm not kidding. I actually puked. In the toilet. Reading this.

But the thing is how can I expect that improvement to happen when I've already been through college and it didn't happen in a much more favorable environment? (Everyone is new, people are starting a new stage, people are young and open to meeting new people).
It's much different among people in late twenties. People my age are settling down and getting engaged while I would be starting to talk to people and go out at night.

I appreciate your posts user but I think I just gotta assume that my life will never be quite fulfilled in the relationship sense. Which is fine, I'll be missing an important part of being alive but I can make do with others.

Some people want more out of life than just surviving and "fending for themselves" but then again I don't know why you'd ask women on this board about it seeing as their mental issues blow the incels' out of the water

I don't know. Money and Companionship.

Shit is easy man, you can do a few things.

>Lower your standards
>Get in better shape
>Make more money
>Get interesting hobbies

Do those things and you will stand out from above average to the woman you are interested in.

>I think I just gotta assume that my life will never be quite fulfilled in the relationship sense
It's up to you to make that compromise, but remember that one of the best ways to ensure you stay unfulfilled in some fashion in life is to assume that it's always going to be that way no matter what and you have no power to change it.

See a therapist first then start to improve in other areas. You’ll make it man.

Thank you for your posts user, I can't promise you I'll do much about it but at least I'll think about it and it was nice to get some stuff out of my chest I can't talk to anyone else about.

Glad I could have a positive interaction with someone on a site notorious for being a cesspool.

The only thing a woman ever actually NEEDS from a man is sperm to reproduce. That's literally about it.