what do you think about the idea of a society with no money?
NO MONEY
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Are you 14, OP?
Sounds horrible. We'd all be dependents of someone else, like pets or livestock
no, why?
Would just be replaced by something else.
dependent how? u can have what you want
If society had no money, it would be necessary to invent it because resources are not infinite, and the discrete values of goods and services have to be tracked in order to signal which needs must be fulfilled.
That'd be a very very basic societi,
If you have a thousand cows and wang to trade these for my M1 Abrahams tank for example, even if the cows are wofth the same or even more, what is if I don't want a thousand cows?
That's where money comes in. You can trade your 1k cows for money and give that money to me for the tank.
And replace it with what? Sexual favours? Of the OP variety?
Yeah! They’ll put all that effort into making things and JUST GIVE IT TO YOU!!
great idea but we dont have matter replicators yet.
they might, because everyone is contributing so they have what they want lol
I think you should get a job
>screenshotting your own cringy post
Pretty pathetic
i have one, do you enjoy working for money or being threatened with homelessness?
Hey, want to trade a pizza for 10 wheel of cheese.
The tartarians made it work. That's why they've been scrubbed from history.
What I should work for then? How do I exchange my work for goods?
I know right! We’ll finally over come human greed for sure. Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before!?
no trading, if I make something u want u can have it and vice versa
its the same as waking up tomorrow but there's no money in circulation
>The tartarians
who are they?
Needs decentralized resource replenishment
>thinking people are innately altruistic
Goddamn dude. Let me guess, you're upper middle class and in a mostly white community?
What if I don't want to make anything?
It’s called “The Stone Age”. Even then they traded for Obsidian.
how would I buy beer?
Are you doing this for (you)s or are you just unironically braindead
knowing that survival without money = contribution, or you can just take stuff and no one will like you lol
you'll be the asshole on the hill who doesn't want to have a nice time
if you need a road to drive on and no one else is making it, what will you do? wait for someone else to make a start?
Won't happen. Barter will take over, then something will replace the dollar as a consistent form of worth.
This will never work. Why should a guy give up something of value to him for free? Under the pretense of getting something else when the time arises? That's a form of trade.
Sage this shit thread.
Alright I want everything you own then.
i-i wouldnt know anything about that
>Why should a guy give up something of value to him for free?
because he can get what he wants anywhere he likes so its no loss to him
Do have any idea what goes into building a road? It takes hundreds of people with truckloads of specialized equipment. Even so, where are you going to get a car in a moneyless society?
i'm not talking about stealing i'm saying a society where there is no money in circulation but everyone keeps doing what they're doing, or find a more fun way to contribute
>where are you going to get a car in a moneyless society?
from the people who love making cars lol
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The Incan Empire a society built and ran on no money.
Nobody loves making cars for free, and they'll be too busy trying to scrounge up sone food to have the time. If I happen to be able to build a car by myself and you want to take it without adequately compensating me for my effort you'll find yourself on the wrong end of my 15 round counter argument.
The ultimate redpill, money is a construct of the elite to rule over the world.
Why pay for a house if we can build house for everyone?
Why pay for food if we can grow food for everyone?
Why pay for technologies if they could be handed to everyone?
The only rule should be participation in society and good behaviour (respect laws).
Then how a currency could be a currency when it's not tied to nothing anymore, it's a fucking scam
>no money?
There's always money.
This can only work in a society where everybody is either in complete agreement or under complete control. Guess what. Communism has been tried. It failed. There are no shining examples of communist societies anywhere for a reason.
This.
I understand what you're trying to say but you lacking one part in your theory.
Greed and the concept of value.
For that system to work, you need to destroy the concept of value..which is extremely embedded in most cultures. So you can either destroy emotions which are attached to a notion of "value" and end up in a society like the movie "Equilibrium"..or have a regulatory body to oversee the free flow of resources..i.e. the government.
So we'd need a central body to oversee and distribute the equal share of goods and resources. Because trusting on the good nature of man never got us far. At the end of the day..you're looking at something close to communism.
great video! thank you
>Nobody loves making cars
we might need to ask lol some people do, and it wont matter if they do it for free because they wont have to buy anything anyway lol
Theres a cult place in Russia where they have this. It's called the Church of Vissarion and the Last Testament I think. No money and they are all vegetarian. Vissarion tells his followers he is the second coming of Jesus
If you want a less retarded commie version of this, you would need some form of modern direct trading backed by an online system covering transactinos between persons, corporations and countries. It is very hard to get it right because the government is gay and it is prone to abuse.
A government is obviously needed, so as the police and everything else, but a community is able to sustain itself and make everything avaible to anyone, its just about having the right organization.. the current system is not right and only a few are getting richer leaking from everyone else, they print money too, how can this be right?
well that's just it, currency seems to be the scam because it makes people think that the point of exchange has to happen when someone acquires something, or gives something away
in a society with no money that delusion is wiped out and survival is dependent on contribution
>Theres a cult place in Russia where they have this. It's called the Church of Vissarion
interesting!
>a community is able to sustain itself and make everything avaible to anyone
yes! :)
notice when there's a natural disaster and everyone gives money? why do they have to do that? because there's a sad asshole somewhere who wants payment to help them lol
in a society without money, that asshole is made extinct
You're full of shit. People tinker with cars as a hobby. If there was no coercion to compete for resources (ie socially imposed labor due to artificial scarcity-wageslaving) then the time spent wageslaving could be spent pursuing personal or community interests. Different groups with different interests play different role (builders, farmers, coordinators/organizers, logisticians, etc) work together to uplift each other. For the good of humanity, for the benefit of the individual. What benefits the whole, benefits the individual, and vice versa. A society constructed on the basis of GIVING and SHARING as opposed to hording, controlling, taking and infighting.
Yeah, people aren't naturally born totally altruistic but in an environment when that's what is encouraged and expressed genuinely, anything else just seems ineffectual.
How do the banks give me money that doesn't exist and charge me an interest on that? This has no sense.. why every year the money I make are valued 2% less then the year before? Scam scam scam
I think it's actually possible op, but only with very, very advanced technology to do the obvious tasks that humans don't want to do, which is basically all maintenance and repetitive work. As soon as you have something unlpeasant to do that humans have to do, someone is going to want a reward for doing it, and what do you give them with no money? Well you could start giving them perks but then you have fucked your no-money society the same way money was fucking it - more and more perks start accruing to fewer and fewer people. Then your money is perks.
For some people this is fine and they say the only capital should be social capital but many people don't want to play that game, that's why money is nice because it doesn't dictate a play-style to you all that much.
Quick history lesson.
You've probably heard the phrase "money is the root of all evil", but it is the other way around - evil is the root of all money.
Humans evolved to live in tribal societies of around 200 individuals - Even today, that is roughly how many acquaintances you can keep track of at the same time. In such a setup, where everyone have at least general knowledge of everyone, you can't run from your own misdeeds, and you have a pretty good idea what anyone's labor is worth.
Then we started building cities, and soon found ourselves bartering and trading with people we don't know, might never see again, and even if we do they probably won't recognize us.
Turns out that in such an environment... people get cheated - who'd have thought??
And thus began the long art of perfecting 'tokens of transaction', something incorruptible and of a set value that would insure market confidence, and keep prosperity flowing.
Ok..look..let me put it this way.
Replace "money" or "dollar" with a good of high demand. Let's say. after the said disaster in your system, there are only 4 bags of rice among everyone and 100 families in need of it.
1 bag of rice = 1 family
No one has rice to share or give freely without detriment to themselves.
That rice will automatically have a value assigned to it because of the scarcity. That rice will become the new money.
Do you think your society of sharing will still hold up?
For that society to happen, you need to live in a society with abundance. You need to have everyone achieve every level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. How can that be sustainable with finite resources and the greed that's inherent to man?
no more banks in a moneyless society yes :)
>maintenance and repetitive work.
>what do you give them with no money?
anything they like they can go get it. I think there are guys who love putting their hand to "men's work ". they take pride in it knowing they did that gritty job that everyone needs them to do. it gives them fulfillment to be useful and they're strong and like getting dirty.
also people with no specialised skill would be good at the repetitive work, just give them lots of breaks, open windows, fresh air, a nice lunch.... done :)
>evil is the root of all money.
thank you I agree, I guess once that ball is rolling is spins back on itself until money is the root of all greed and on it goes...
its crazy to think you're not getting anything in return when you can have anything you want in a society with no money lol
Rural user here, live offgrid (yes my house runs off the grid but i have fucking internet, calm the fuck down) live near others who hobby farm/semi off grid life. Localism works with trade greatly, we all share and barter. Only once have i paid someone near me in cash for dozer work. Unless everyone starts hobby farming on mass scale it’ll never work.
Its no coincidence all the jew love on Jow Forums AND major Youtubers being terminated without warning
>CHN was terminated by discord trannys false reporting
It's not a coincidence that right before Assange is arrested 4chans only trusted news source is destroyed!!!
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What timeline is this when Tame youtube channels can get silenced for nothing !!!!
Welcome to 1984 where all right wing anons and journos get gulaged
>the guy who took credit for shutting down CHN
Literal pencil neck twerp trans nigger faggot
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>does not exist
Orwell would be proud......
"you cant serve mammon and god at the same time".
a society that runs as its own charity - fully tax deductible lol
I don't even know how much it would need to be organised by any governance once everyone knows what to do lol
government gone
money gone
assholes gone
ahahahahaha
Inefficient. I'd prefer no usury.
okay so this spam post is from a world that insanely worships money and its really obvious
:)
So a society of just millennials then
no not at all lol because in a moneyless society you have to make a contribution
ahahhahah
That would be a start, the amount of loans all the banks are doing is not matched by nothing, they loan money that doesn't exist and charge an interest in that, it has no sense. Also they keep printing money making the value always less.. the top of the chain get always richer and the bottom poorer
banking people are psychotics :)
I know you're being facetious, but that exact type of society is what Jesus's teaching led to. The first Christians all sold all their worldly possessions and lived in a big commune where everything was shared among everyone. The idea was that Christ was more important to them than being able to keep material things as solely their own.
They invented tarter sauce
Pretty gay, there still needs to be some way to keep score.... I just want the economy to serve the white community’s needs
They ran on war and slavery
The problem is lazy niggers, communes are fine if you all have the same values baeed around the family unit. You also need to have a method of recognizing achieves...maybe they get the best looking wives or power based roles.
Modern money represents economic activity and merit....some people have hacked the modern economy.
Unironically an excellent idea.
>I can't force other people do things for me on threat of government punishment
>therefore I am dependent
okay lol
>to keep score
lol that wouldn't be necessary
So a barter economy? Without a medium of exchange?
why
>white
>community
first we need to form communities, they're all but gone as we go about our fully atomized lives
without the jews there would already be no money and we'd have perfect communal living.
no racism
no sexism
just love
because you don't really need money, just love
without love there would be no hate because we'd all be equal
You would want money, even in a society where scarcity is abolished. Human wants are infinite due to our evolved need to gather resources for breeding, and you and others will desire things of value (non-scarce things have little to no value) such as original works of art and relics (or even more esoteric things, like cosmetics in video games).
no one would play video games if there was no money. we'd be loving each other instead of playing games
Yeah theres a short documentary about the place. I think alot of people go there not because they believe Vissarion is Christ but simply for the lifestyle and they just play by the rules of Vissarion. I would vacation there honestly.
>no money
>everybody is poor
good idea
The bible explained how ancient money less cultures operated. The blood line that inherits livestock, land ect. will feed and cloth servants to work the land who were born into a lesser bloodline. Sounds great... ...
way ahead of you bro. I'm already trying it, it sucks
what do the Amish do? do they have money?
honestly I think it is something that would work where the community is large enough to sustain itself, or nationally.
we'd need a new leader who says "okay, tomorrow, no more money. just keep doing what you're doing and we'll figure out the changes as we go."
:)
Not if you don’t want to.
yeah we definitely don't want anything like that have been happening for a long time already now oh wait
I would simply invent a currency and use it to get more bitches than you.
if you don't you'll be the asshole on the hill no one likes and they'll stop giving you stuff until you give something back...
lol why would they need to be paid
Ignore leafs, they serve no purpose.
Its called prehistory and its fairly interesting user, instead of sitting in a chair, exchanging your focused and simplified labour for a paper and then buying a piece of red meat you actually are constantlt thinking about food because its hsrd to get and it fights back and it could kill you.
Truly interesting. Poor economy tho.
No, if for example there is a community of 1000 people, 100 runs the administration, 100 make the police, 100 are farmers, 100 are scientist and so on.. everybody do is work that is available for free to the others
you trade with goods and or services, welcome in the real word. Or do you think the top of da illuminati faggots handle cash? Cash is peasant stamps.
You are trained to think that way because your forefathers were lazy. If you can not survive and sustain a family just by yourself, then you're with one foot in the blood-lineal grave already.