Why is class consciousness at an all-time low?

My cousin Murphy will represent you in court to sue the state for 6 million. Yesterday I was on the welfare line and some dirty fucking gentile cattle behind me said they didnt support Israel, the chutzpah of these goyim nowadays, oy vey.

The short answer is multiculturalism. Racial conflict trumps class conflict.

I don't know who you're talking about. I kinda realized in retrospective you could find any number of people making some unhinged comment in an emotional moment, so let me rephrase that: Please provide an example of a prominent leftist thinker who consistently advocates for "white ethnocide".

As a gesture of good will, I shall name five different meme leftists who answer your criterion from :
Nathan J. Robinson
Noam Chomsky
Glenn Greenwald
Amber Lee Frost
Matt Bruenig

because the shitty effects of communism have not dissipated yet in most countries that were ruled by it

Class is a social construct, but it is very much real and has very real impact on people's life.

(If that is supposed to be a jab at "race/gender is a social construct", I suggest you look up what "social construct" actually means. "Money" is a social construct, and so is "government" and "traffic laws". That doesn't mean they aren't somehow 'real').

How about the positive effects of social-democracy?

Yes, jew. It was a jab. Social constructs do have legitimacy if they are useful.

that's a different system mr noseberg
I'm talking about authoritarian central planning, at least gibs me dats are voted and end up favoring the lowest common denominators in democracy

"legitimacy" is, itself, a social construct :^)

because it's dynamic. a family can fall in or out of a tax bracket within in a year.

unfortunately for you being a kike isn't dynamic.

The best way to redpill blacks on the Democrats is to show them this video of Malcom X. They respect this man and will listen to what he has to say.

bitchute.com/video/moqc2rDAhxU4/

because of subversive kikes like you. Most wealthy businessmen, and especially all wealthy jews want us to have unbridled immigration and no wall, but they want Israel to have strict immigration for jews only, and with a wall.
You're wasting your time here kike.

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As are the concepts of freedom and democracy.

Its not. People just arent ascribing to your jewish bolshevik ideology that fetishizes it.

okay.
and I am not talking about that.

I'm talking about class consciousness, which is an important component of ANY meaningful economic leftism. That includes, yes, the central planned state-directed command economy kind, but also more anarchistic and libertarian socialist initiatives, beginning at simple trade unions and collective bargaining, continuing through socdem policies and states and ending in the abolishing of property and social class altogether.

In Israel it is. People don't seem to even begin to realize just how wealthy are the "rich people" in our country are, or just how destitute the poor are. People don't seem to identify as workers in explicit opposition to the parasitic and dominating bosses - the common mentality (at least among young people) is that employers are "just like me" and so shouldn't be antagonized.

the latest contestant for the stupidest post in history.
holy fuck, that's retarded.
go to school you pretentious, deluded child.

Probably because your people arent materialists like you are. Theyre too busy worried about more important aspects of their identity.

holy buzzwords. second year philosophy?

That much is obvious.
My question is WHY

Because we keep getting told that we are rich when 3/4 of working Americans are in debt and half of that number is so deep in debt they don’t think they will ever get out

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uh, no?
Sorry that my leftypol language triggers you

it's not language. you're spewing drivel.

Because people have different ontological and epistemological assumptions about being?

we first have to update the view of communism to the technological, social and psychic realities of the present.

jeremygilbertwriting.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/psychedelic-socialism2.pdf

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I sometimes do, but not in any of the posts you quoted. Feel free to highlight any buzzwords I used and I'll elaborate.

>capitalists pit white people against brown people
>capitalists don't pit brown people against white people

lol I remember reading about how like half of Americans don't even have 400$ available on-hand
Laaaaaaaand of the Freeeee

>capitalists don't pit brown people against white people
Actually, they do.
That's been the standard strategy of the "progressive neoliberals" wing of the Democratic Party (Clintons, Obama, etc.)

Duh. If anything they're trying to undermine white solidarity because there's still too many whites to pit working class races against each other. That won't be true for long though

It's the new narcissism. We may be poor but we're sexy.

Your idea of "undermine white solidarity" IS pitting working class people against each other across racial lines.

What does being poor matter when you value things other than money?

Because you live in a right wing nation, go outside of your fascist state and see entire cities in protest against the rich done by communist.

there's not class counciousness in immigrants even marx have wrote about it.They're just happy to live in first world country and dont care about solidarity and they bring their racial conciousness since they're minorities.Then white racial conciousness is just a counter-reaction of that.

In a thoroughly commodified system, those things "other than money" are inaccessible unless you have the financial means to afford them.

I'm sure all those people would agree that the points a) through e) that I listed above are perfectly acceptable to subject white ethnic groups to if it lead to material equality for brown people, and also as karmatic justice for colonialism and "racism". Ethnic and national identity are reactionary and are irrelevancies foisted on the workers by the upper classes to blind them to their class interest, etcetera. Modern leftism realizes that most people will tell them to go fuck themselves if they spout that when questioned why 500 Somalis are randomly being transferred into their 95% white neighborhood, however, so they very carefully avoid and talk around the subject; or, if they've been boxed into a corner and can't ignore it any longer, they will take 's approach and scream at you that you're a loser idiot virgin etc. etc. for bringing it up

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>class is a social construct
>no one identifies with class now
>how do we get people to identify with class again guys so we can start the class war?
You want a communist revolution for no other reason then to have a communist revolution.

The left killed it when they decided the white working class in middle america was not worth protecting.

>has no arguments
>gets mad and calls someone names
Truly the brilliance of the left

Jewish gangstalking and brainwashing is in an all time high:

targetedjustice.com/

Not as impactful as you say, even people living with nothing can find meaning and purpose, youre falling for the same materialist ideology of the capitalists.

Alan Greenspan wants to cut American boomers’ social security.
cnbc.com/2019/04/12/alan-greenspan-says-economy-will-start-to-fade-out-because-of-growing-us-entitlement-burden.html

because the majority of people are fucking retards, way too dumb to begin to understand how they could possibly deal with the situation if they even pick up on it in the first place. for everyone else, they already got rich from crypto as that's the answer.

I know this is hard to understand, but many people would not trade their culture, values, or sovereignty for any amount of money. They intuitively understand that wealth is a side effect of a healthy society, not the other way around. Would you trade Israel for the promise of a lower Gini coefficient in the area?

Because the Jews took over and annihilated the WASPS and now you rule a world full of mixed race low iq degenerate fappers who can’t even see 5 feet in front of them.. isn’t this what you wanted all along? You’ve destroyed and self awareness in the people and now all you have is your fellow Jews to connect with.

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Because Jews started pushing race consciousness. Now white people are realizing what you’ve done.

Communism is inherently Jewish, and your Frankfurt School friends miscalculated.

>A jew writing about "classes"

youtube.com/watch?v=K_LvRPX0rGY

/thread

>abolishing of property
You touch my shit and you get a bullet to the skull nigger

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Bump

>importing millions of unskilled 3rd world labors is good for the working class
LOL

private and public property, not personal property

also big words coming from some neckbeard ruskie Zehut-voting virgin

Because race, sex and culture trump class in identity politics.

The blacks conveniently shy away from the topics of classism and economics any time it's brought up. It casts doubt on the "muh racism" argument, and they've realized deep down that, if they think about most countries' modern economic structure, opportunity is plentiful regardless of skin color. The modern US job market is built on work ethic. Which of course, the blacks have none. They struggle to admit it this. It's easier to just pass everything off as being racist. De huwhite mang did it to them - it's not Johnny Nigger's fault he can't get a job even though he hasn't applied. It's not Johnny Nigger's fault he robbed that gas station for a couple bottles of Hennessy - de huwhite mang made him do it. He doesn't really deserve to go to prison for beating and raping that woman, does he? Prison is a white man's thing, no sir, Johnny Nigger wants no part in that white system.

On one hand I agree, on the other he's just worried about Israel being able to milk America further.

>profit is theft reeee
This is really gay user are you a marxist or just a social dem or something?
lmao, You still get a bullet to the skull
zehut is based, don't shit on them please

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Have you read the Nationalist yet?

docs.google.com/document/d/1kP9kq_AoDxhEjEPpkpMajw9Teq7qnyrsYFruYzYPU2Y/edit?usp=sharing

profit IS theft!

Because class consciousness is retarded and people will more quickly identify with more intrinsic forms of identity like race, ethnicity, nation, religion, or culture.
Class is just a part to a whole, and the totality of the whole is far more meaningful

Legitimacy is a logical construct, the rules of logic being universal and absolute

>jew
>leftypol
Imagine my shock

we should go after employers who hire illegals

Nothing but retardation is to be gained from interacting with an israeli poster.
Class isn't real, only intelligence is.

Why is Porky such a weak and inauthentic slur? It's like you want to be tough and edgy but you can only use generic epithets like "banker" and "millionaire." Your antagonistic propaganda would fit in a Netflix original.

To follow up, I was just reading how the International fell apart right at the onset of the first world war. All the solidarity of the preceding decades about class and the horizontal union rather than vertical... fell apart soon as franz Ferdinand was shot. Because the empty intellectualism and material dialectics fail to realize that in actuality people hold more intrinsic ideals far above some garbage theorizing

Kek, YES! let's go and seize the means of production together then comrade!
I see you also have a problem with Russians , this is great! we can shoot them and starve millions of them to death! :D
>Nothing but retardation is to be gained from interacting with an israeli poster.
Whiter than you Muhammad

it's called reading comprehension, dude. I'll translate for you what was said.
op says why don't poor people understand that they're poor?
kid I bashed responds that it's because of a new combination of progressive ideas and white guilt. (which makes absolutely no sense immediately).
op, quite respectful of the kid, suggests that the kid's answer (this new social dynamic) sounds more like it's the result of poor people being stupid, not the cause. Kid (in my view) pretentiously asserts that elite intellectuals are demanding all white people need to die. that's why I flipped out.
I apologize for being a cunt about it because I actually feel bad for him and if he reads this, I hope you have people in your life that care about you and that you can make some friends that can help you realize your talents. you shouldn't come to this place because it's a cesspool.

Because impactful slurs are reserved for the disenfranchised. It's what makes them impactful: They serve as a form of speech act wherein the weaker person's position of inferiority is reaffirmed.
e.g. black people can be called "niggers", asians can be called "gooks", hispanics can be called "beaners", but there is no equivalent term for white people. The closest thing there is - "cracker" - is placid and ineffectual.
Also, note how the power of every one of those slurs is directly proportional to the general level of oppression each of the corresponding racial groups has historically suffered in English-speaking societies. "beaner" is very slightly more effective than "gook", but both are nothing compared to "nigger".

So, looking at rich people, being literally the most powerful social strata in society, there is simply no properly "offensive" term for them. "Porky" is weak for the exact same reason "cracker" is weak.

Give me one good reason why workers SHOULDN'T hold the means of production.
Give me one good argument against workplace democracy.

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I interpreted his point as being that leftism transformed from classism to intersectionalism, thus making traditional marxist class consciousness obsolete

Because in every instancr it's been attempted, it has led to inefficient use.
Besides, workers democracy implies that the economic system is above the political system. The workers will collectively organize to economic ends rather than national ones. This makes the national good subordinate to a workers plundering of the nations economic resources

>The workers will collectively organize to economic ends rather than national ones
that's kinda the point

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STOP REPLYING TO A TROLL FLAG USING CUNT WHO HAS 22+ POSTS IN HIS OWN THREAD, ALL TROLLING!

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Yes. I know. And that was also my point. That is the answer to your question. The national well being is the imperative

Classic goal post shift... fuck off you talmudic nigger

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economic leftism is just mob violence by degenerates who the state has been too lenient with

because we enjoy the taste of the dirt we lick off the shoes of our masters. why would you deny us our choice to do so?

It's different when such people have power to teach others and influence young minds. What you're attacking are just losers on Jow Forums with no real power.

Because the working class and upper class are on the right and the middle class is on the left. Clown world.

>Nathan J. Robinson
>Noam Chomsky
>Glenn Greenwald
>Amber Lee Frost
>Matt Bruenig
oy

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It's not that they shouldn't, it's that they can't. By all means, the workers can collectivize and create their own business and own the means of production, and I believe there are some example of that. That's different though because it's capitalism right? The average cretin who is capable of operating a piece of machinery isn't capable of running a business and competing with other people, which is to say, they're less competent at it. This is why people starve when they seize the agricultural sector. Productivity and efficiency drops as a bunch of cretins are trying to operate something they don't understand. This is also why they can't hold the means of production in a capitalist country, as they fail to compete and must rely on using the power of the state to enforce their own monopoly, usually in the form of violence. Ultimately they're no better than criminals who rely on violence to do business rather than competing and offering a better product and service for less.

The issue is not that immigrants are a problem. The issue is that mass migration can cause competition for jobs and decrease wages. I have no problem with migrants, my problem is with them continually coming here. This country has enough humans.

"your life" is, itself, a social construct :^)

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Class doesn’t matter. Race matters. Economically stratified but racially homogenous countries are far happier than any other countries.

>That's different though because it's capitalism right?
No, it's not capitalism, it's the textbook definition of socialism because the workers now own the means of production.

>The average cretin who is capable of operating a piece of machinery isn't capable of running a business and competing with other people, which is to say, they're less competent at it
It'd be more accurate to say that a worker cooperative would struggle to compete with capitalist firms because it doesn't have the privilege of using oppressive and exploitative work practices. They can't do wage theft, force unpaid overtime, understaff, and just generally squeeze every last drip of life juice out of workers like capitalist firms tend to do.

You basic argument of "democratic incompetence" could easily be applied to nation-states. What's the point of having elections and a republic if "the average cretin" doesn't know shit about statecraft? Why not move to North Korea, where the people have no say in their governance, the experts are in charge, and things are just so much more efficient and well-run?

>that mass migration can cause competition for jobs and decrease wages
Mass migration also increases aggregate demand, and empirical evidence points towards an overall neutral or positive effect on native wages.

Race consciousness among whites is far more important.