ECONOMIC Liberals: >Maybe the (((top 1%))) shouldn't be making hundreds of billions of dollars off the work of the rabble who are now literal serf's to megacorperations and can't own anything anymore. And maybe Universities shouldn't have such incredibly huge profit margins. Maybe student loans shouldn't be predatory and impossible to default on, unlike business loans that are exclusive for (((a certain class of people)))
ECONOMIC Conservatives: >"You need to work 16 hours a day 7 days a week and if you get sick you die. Chin up, buck up and work to make your boss profits. If you get sick you die and if you lose your job, starve then die.
Why the fuck would anyone be ECONOMICALLY right wing? I'm not talking about social issues, I'm talking about economic issues.
Belief that they will once get in the position to profit from it. It's a lot like abrahamic religions, suffer for now but be rewarded later.
Besides economic liberals are pretty close to conservatives either way, just package it in more humane rhetoric.
Justin Reed
Because I'd rather be a wage slave than give a dumb pavement ape a single penny of my money via welfare
Brody Foster
Wrong board. is that way.
Alexander Sullivan
First of all, kill yourself for making this bait thread.
Second of all, I can guarantee you that the faggot in the pic you posted has never worked a day in his life and to him ''deserve'' means that someone else gotta do it, not him. One person's rights is another person's responsibilities, so these ''deserve''s mean that other people gotta work to provide those things. Those workers won't the rich tumblr faggots of course, its gonna be the poor and lower middle class.
Also there are huge faults in both socialist and capitalist ideologies, and you're clearly biaised towards one of them here, so I don't think you're trying to make an argument in good faith here. As I said earlier, kys
Gavin Bennett
Asking why people believe certain things isn't any more Jow Forums than the constant incel threads that are left alone.
Zachary James
Actually I'm an economic conservative, and I believe we should have universal health care. It makes economic sense assuming we cut spending elsewhere.
Josiah Harris
You are not asking for advice. You are just an edgy teenager who wants validation.
Ryder Watson
I'm not OP. Nor does either of us know their motivation. I'm just pointing out how the topic can work on Jow Forums, specially given other examples that are tolerated.
Henry Hall
I can guarantee you that you're using guarantee wrong
Samuel Martin
I agree with you, sadly, it looks like Americans are too brainwashed by capitalism to understand this point of view
Aiden Morgan
My big question is as always, who pays for all that shit and what's the ramifications? We have UHC in Canada and a shortage of doctors because there's always fucking work and never enough hands for it. Of course, that means if you land a quack, that might be the doctor within an hour's drive, the only one, and that fucking sucks for gramma.
Everyone who tells me X service should be provided to us always just tells me the government can 'afford' it and I'm thinking umm, maybe not, since the government can barely afford to get its own wages squared off before they're basically tapered out and using loan moneys
Colton Fisher
> they're basically tapered out and using loan moneys Because it's actually cheaper and makes sense in our current economy. It doesn't make sense to view guberment finances like your private account, the shit is far too complex for that.
Chase Stewart
>it's cheaper I'm worried about the profit margins because that's all the government cares about I wish the problem were me who thinks of that money as 'mine' or in such objective terms of gain and loss like I would my own bank account, but it seems like that's the upper echelons. They don't like plans that don't profit highly. The only reason we likely keep UHC is the legal bumble it would take to knock it, and the severe loss of face anyone would take for trying to knock it.
Angel Allen
You have no clue about economics and a very skewed view of the economic mindset of politics.
As for your pic. Here's an alternative: Statements I can't believe are controversial: People should be entitled to the fruits of their labor.
Michael Hall
It's a silly phrase that can mean anything from "people should be paid for work" to "TAXATION IS THEFT".
James Nguyen
Resources are limited. If the government controls the distribution of resources, they also determine who, when, and how the resources are distrubuted. Free healthcare but you need to wait in line for 6 months before you get an MRI
Tyler Perez
I don't see how your statement has anything to do with anything covered in the OP. You want to talk about being entitled to the fruits of your labors, you aren't really entitled to them under the current system of capitalism, where years or even decades of hard work can be undone with a stroke of bad luck. You get sick? Enjoy your tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills and losing your home because you can't pay them.
Matthew Garcia
>People should be entitled to the fruits of their labor.
so what are you, a marxist now?
Wyatt Johnson
I consider myself "economically conservative" because I feel that we should strive to pay off our debt and find ourselves as an economy with a relatively debt-free status and restricted government waste.
I also think people should be entitled for the most part to the fruits of their labor, but right now that shit has become a joke. Companies and the rich are using every fucking loophole possible to exploit the common man, which is vile.
Like, salaried employment has basically become indentured servitude and is now the norm. For an annual payment, the company now owns you. They tell you when to work, how to dress, where to be, all while circumventing laws that are supposed to restrict you to a 40 hour work week.
I've been working at a place for a year now who really needed my help, so I had all the leverage, and I demanded to be paid hourly. It's AMAZING how much my boss comes up to me and tells me he really needs me to clock out at 5 PM and not take any overtime, while my salaried counterpart gets bitched at for not responding to emails at 7 PM when she's trying to make her kids dinner.
Bentley White
to be alpha ofc, hehe.. you're a lesbian dickhead
Jeremiah Taylor
GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU PIECE OF SHIT, BRAINDEAD SHEEP OF SODOM AND GOMORRA. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SLAVE AWAY AT A DESK JOB, NO ONE GETS TO NOT HATE THEIR JOB EXCEPT SOME RICH CONSPIRATARIAN, SCAM ARTIST MOTHERFUCKERS. YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF FIRST IF ANYONE SHOULD
Jonathan Perez
The problem is that the government will not cut spending in anything. Politicians go with the flow and that flow is to spend more and more and to constantly be at war
Jose Bailey
Its ass but that image is controversial for one reason. Indians, but also really anybody from East and South Asia. Fuckers don't deserve one bit of nutrition with the way they act and reproduce.
Charles Long
Yeah but the misfortune of imperiousness is that once you're wrong once, the legitimacy of anything you do comes to question.
David Ward
Everyone that I've ever met that advocates for more communism has never lived under it or doesn't know anyone that has lived under it, and they make statements just like yours. Unbalanced statements that always paint one side as absolutely bad and one side as good.
As someone that's definitely more conservative, let me ask you some questions. What happens when all your rich pay pigs leave? Who will pay for our healthcare? Why is the conversation always about providing more and more and just taxing more and more, but never about spending less in some areas to provide more in others? Why would I want government healthcare when other government systems are so shit. The DMV? The post office? Even the health care the government already provides for veterans is notoriously bad and unfixable because of the bureaucracy?
Logan Stewart
Okay.
Jayden Price
Ah, the infamous mentally unstable commie. Absolutely. However remember that there's always nuance to be made and that nothing is black and white. My parents grew up in a socialist society and they went to school & uni for free, got free healthcare, etc. There were definitely some good sides and they were shocked to see how much school costs here in Canada. However they prefer this capitalist society because of the mentality it creates in people. All concrete details set aside, a people that lives under socialism becomes lazy and dependent, while a people that lived under capitalism becomes proactive and independant (but individualistic, godless and cynical). Remember to always seek nuance and to understand the flaws of all systems, objectively
Cooper Perez
Because the incentive systems liberals make don't work.
You know why colleges charge so much? They charge however much people are willing to pay. They can't take in infinite students, so they take the ones that can pay the most (kind of, it's more complex than that, as the have other long term goals like reputation, etc.). If you give everyone more money, colleges don't have an incentive to accept more students, they just have an incentive to charge more.
You know why healthcare is so expensive? Because it requires a lot of intensive, highly specialized work to treat people. You need to pay people to take care of patients, develop drugs, etc. This is all extremely expensive. Add to this the fact that people have instincts to use healthcare as a signal ("look, I'm getting really good treatment because I can afford to"), which is suppressed when people have to pay for their healthcare, but becomes more common if you remove costs.
Look at the software industry. Everything is free and idealistic. Why? Because once a program exists, you can make a million copies of it at virtually no additional cost. Find a way to do that with healthcare, etc., and you and those problems you list will go away.
Though it's also worth noting that 40% of healthcare costs in the US are just for filing insurance paperwork, all of which is legally mandated, and was put in place by liberals. Streamline that, and healthcare costs in the US drop to be competitive with other developing countries, and that's without the downsides politicians don't tell you about, like the DMV-style endless waiting lists.
>40% of healthcare costs in the US are just for filing insurance paperwork It's the norm in every civilised country, why would the paper work in Murica cost 10 times as much as in Germany?
Julian Rodriguez
Everybody is always ... who pays for it?
We just do stuff anyway. We all go to work and everything gets done and at the end of the day some people who didn't do the work make some money from the work of others because they own the means of production or land or whatever and we throw away some stuff we made in order to make sure those that can't 'afford' it can't get it because we made too much due to subsidises or poor planning. Those who have so much that they don't live hand to mouth get to play with the political system and enact laws which further cement their control and position and prevent others escaping from a system of wage slavery irrespective of the needs of humans and the environment.
Like we don't need to pay for it, we just need to allocate things better. We don't need money except as a unit of exchange, when it becomes a system of debt and control it isn't helpful.
Say we do pay for it. I'm just going to give you an IOU. You are just going to hand it to somebody else. Nothing meaningful changes. GDP goes up and down and this is apparently meaningful to people who are still going to get up and go to work to meet their basic needs.
The system is going to collapse anyway because people can't get ahead any more. If it is all stick no carrot then people won't play.
Jonathan Clark
Germany's Jew policy was surely one America could learn from.
