Communism is all about economic freedom for the worke

damn OP, you came swinging. nice.

>didn't bother reading
I mean isn't it ironic that I literally referenced commies plugging their ears and not wanting to hear it in one of those posts and then boom, this is what you fucking say in response.

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Care to explain then why this sort of thing happens even in the western world today?

China is capitalist as fuck though

China is fascist mercantilist. Claiming themselves to be commies is like the one china shit.

It doesn't. China's work culture is completely different than our work culture. We have a shitty situation too though (not as bad, but undeniably shitty) and it's becuase of big government corruption (which the lefties thrust upon us by empowering the state) that grants billions of dollars in subsidies to corporate america, and writes corrupt laws that prevent workers from organizing and prevents small business from competing with (and decimating in the free market) the corporations.

Try to tell a lefty about the free market and ending these billions of dollars in subsidies and unfair tax codes and unfair laws and regulations and they scoff at you though, because like I said, you just try to plug your ears and not hear opposing views and frankly the objective truth.

This situation has been thrust upon us BY big government. Your ideology is literally "lets give up MORE of our rights to the state and I'm sure that this time they'll decide to do the right thing! BTW ur dumb n evil if you disagree with me!"

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Every time I see this guy, I think it's a shoop.

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And BTW Republicans suck too. They're undeniably the lesser of two evils, but they suck and they are corrupt as all politicians are. Politicians suck and are corrupt, this is why we need to LIMIT the power of the state rather than give them total and complete control over our lives as commies would have.

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>And BTW Republicans suck too. They're undeniably the lesser of two evils, but they suck and they are corrupt as all politicians are. Politicians suck and are corrupt, this is why we need to LIMIT the power of the state rather than give them total and complete control over our lives as commies would have.
I just mean, I'm not trying to get partisan on you or anything if that's what you think. I'm just telling the truth here IDK.

I don't mind facing opposite views or challenging claims when it's in maieutical form. However, there is a difference when you encounter that the one you're talking to is low IQ retard by the second sentence. Then there is absolutely no point in talking further because no matter what point you bring to light, you will be met with olympic gold medalist in mental gymnastics.

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no you Americans are just scared of workers rights

>It doesn't.
You aren't really working are you?

my communism is whatever i want it to be.
thats how this things works user

BASED. Work those soulless insectoid "people" to an early grave. Remember, the average chink celebrates when the U.S. debt adds another trillion dollars.

>this is why we need to LIMIT the power of the state
Yeah, we'll have strong worker protections then, just like we did in the 19th century!

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We don't have 72 hour work weeks here in the USA as a general rule. We don't. We have 40 hour work weeks with mandated overtime passed that, plus on sundays, if you're hourly. It's just not real life, what you're saying. It's just not real life.
We have a lot of workers rights problems in the USA. All of them caused by the state. None of them are going to be solved by socialism (AKA giving more power to the corrupt state).

>capitalist and socialist authority are the problem
perhaps there is a third solution, user. a sort of final solution, if you will.

No robber barons were the creation of the state. They all received subsidies and lobbied washington DC for regulation
Example so I'm not accused of just making shit up.
John Jacob Astor lobbied the state to make fur trading in the western terriroties illegal for anyone who wasn't American (since most of his competition was canadian). He succeeded and the result was a monopoly. He got his monopoly on the basis of government regulation (ALWAYS how it happens).
So instead of a free market of jobs, where employers competed by offering better wages and conditions, the 1% got a monopoly. This is a state caused problem. It ALWAYS is. And you're advocating to giving MORE of our rights to the very entity that makes these problems for us.

Let's remember the conditions during the time US has been in it's infant state, shall we? With absolutely no government intervention and what it led to. Also, care to elaborate, how that thing would not happen?
>BTW Republicans suck too
No, whatever you mutts touch, you turn it into shit. You're like Midas, but your special power is rancid liquid shit instead of gold.

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>We have 40 hour work weeks
That's how I know that you're not working.

Their state will benefit from this.
That's the only thing that matters.

USA was a utopia dude in its early days lol IDK what you're talking about. It wasn't until federal income taxes started that things went to shit and you should really see the post here where I discuss this.

Your flag says you're from the czech republic.

>USA was a utopia
And you still wonder why I called you a retard and decided to not bother with reading further than second sentence.

you actually don’t work for a living... huh. czech user might actually be right.

Yes, cause there is time and place to meme through meme flags. I am not afraid to show my geo-location.

Really, Mr. Czech Republic. Pls prove to me how the USA was not a utopia in its early years, overall. I mean you could literally wander out onto a patch of land and say "this is mine now" and boom, you had your home and legally owned it. Everything was good in terms of economics and so forth. There was a war in the middle of the 1800s, of course, but that too was due to federal interference.

to be fair though, you’re not making many convincing arguments either.

Are you alright? Hitting the methamphetamines hard today.

nah, it’s just the new brand formula for super male vitality kicking in.

We don't have 72 hour work weeks in the USA, memeflag. We don't. I mean some people do, but that's not our culture or anywhere near approaching the norm. No. You're lying. You're lying to promote your agenda. That is simply NOT what our reality is. And the shitty aspects of our economy, again, are caused by big government building up the corporate state and strangling the worker with regulations and corrupt laws. This is an argument AGAINST socialism (big government control) not for it. Just as a matter of fact, sorry.
And yes I work for a living, used to work retail and as a cook for many years and then became an entrepreneur.
I mean great, don't go telling me what life is like in the USA then.

I said earlier why, because whatever argument or factual evidence you decide to bring up, you will encounter Olympic gold medalist in mental gymnastics.
>something something relevant fact about it sucking
REEE FUCKING COMMIE
>something something source about it being really terrible
REE FUCKING COMMIE SOURCE, READ THIS [insert some fanfiction blog post on Jow Forums]

Look, faggot, you're either not working or too young to work which would explain your views and your ferocity defending them over span of three hastily typed responses instead of one that's actually thought through. You will eventually grow up out of this phase. You're like literal fedora guy except instead of atheism you flock to muh capitalism.

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>then became an entrepreneur.
Hmmm, so you’re unemployed then. Every side street nigger says the same thing, “I’S AN ENTREPRENEUR NIGGA”, seems you’re the same.

I'm not unemployed. I own businesses. How fucked up and lost in your own loserdom can you be that you can't imagine someone owning their own businesses? This is the sort of internalized helplessness that drives communism.
In fairness, I perpetually advocate for the loosening of the regulations and unfair laws that make it harder for individual peopel to go into business for themselves, because I think that's where the soul of humanity lies. But people like you are just fucking sad because there is still plenty of opportunity in the western world even as it is today and you don't need enormous capital or in many cases even any capital at all in order to do it.

>We don't have 72 hour work weeks in the USA
You don't have 40 work weeks in the USA either. Maybe somewhere in the minimum wage labor that requires monkey tier learned performance of three actions like stocking shelves or flipping burgers. And the reason for that being 8 hours is exactly that, minimum wage and it's easier for corporations to hire a hive of drones. The second you move into something more meaningful we start talking about 10-12 hour workdays with further working hours from home being put in if it's applicable.

But go ahead, try to prove me wrong.

>because whatever argument or factual evidence you decide to bring up, you will encounter Olympic gold medalist in mental gymnastics.
The purpose of debate isn’t to convince your opponent, user, it is to convince those watching. I understand your frustration, but there are those who sympathize with this kid because they haven’t heard of any other coherently made idea from another view.

>Dodges the question because he has now clue what he's talking about.

You don't live here.
I lived for years on a line cooks pay and I worked 40 hours a week and everything was fine. You're clueless. The shit you're saying is not true. Before that, I worked at a supermarket and I worked overtime. I worked a little more than 50 hours a week. I thought that sucked. I understand the frustration of retail people. I was JUST a cashier BTW and I was still able to support myself though.
Anyway 51 or 52 hours is not 72 hours. The shit you're saying is not true. Period. It's just not. It's not reality. Please fuck off because you don't even live here and don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Those who watch will already be able to make a conclusion through the course of debate even as it is, but you're right, let's see how it unfolds further and whether I decide to bring heavy artillery or not.

Oh and BTW I got my job as a line cook on zero fucking experience. I legit just walked into an Applebees and said "could I please have a job" and they gave me won, and within 6 months, after a training period, I was making a more than livable wage

>I'm not unemployed! I own businesses!
Says the nigger on the sidewalk selling CDs. Tell me, what sort of business do you own tweaker? Do you sell meth? I thought rule #1 was don’t get high off your own supply. Easy to work a 40 hour work week when you’re collecting WELFARE lmao dumb fucking nigger.

>whether I decide to bring heavy artillery or not
They've all just witnessed what a cliched faggot you are.

I’ll root for you, user. Do what comes naturally.

Well if a nigger on a sidewalk selling CDs is making good money then he's doing better than you, isn't he! My businesses aren't illegal and they're varied but WTF are you talking about do you literally think there is only wage slavery and welfare? Like is that really your conception of life in the USA? Because that's not even CLOSE to reality, that is your OWN INTERNALIZED FAILURE AND HELPLESSNESS. That's not real life. Jesus Christ, do you live in the North? Somewhere snowy? IDK man, go buy yourself a plow truck for 2000 dollars and put some craigslist ads up. You'll make massive profits your first season if you just know how to deal with people, and all you gotta do is drive around drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes and listening to tunes while you plow. If you get a 250 or something deisel you can prob get a city contract pretty easily. ITS NOT HARD YOURE JUST HELPLESS because you've internalized all of this bullshit OR maybe you're just genuinely fucking lazy. IDK.
and INB4 you make fun of the plowing idea. IDK dude. there are literally 100,000,000,000 different entreprenerial paths for you in the USA today. I just pointed out ONE. ONE ONE ONE ONE. I actually SUGGEST you do like me and diversity your interests and businesses, but whatever that's just my way.

stalin KILLED leon trotsky because they had a different view on communism, you can't have "real" communism because it is a vague and bendable idea, also every communist state has been hijacked by crazy dictators, we tried dictatorship with hitler(
(a let's be honest crazy man), also didt work,i'm not a commie but at least give the right counterargument to it, your making all non-communist look retarded

And honestly, user, my guess is that you are the victim of single motherhood or an extremely cucked father. The 9 to 5 type. Corporate slave. IDK. Maybe that's literally all you think there is to life because you've just never been exposed to anything else, but that's not how it is, sorry.

This is why single motherhood is so evil tho. Single motherhood also produces commies cuz the kids feel helpless cuz moms don't know how to teach their kids to thrive.

>I own businesses
Then you would know that in order to maximize performance and be able to compete you'd have to excessively load your employees and make best possible working environment to compensate for the working hours they have to put in along with fair pay. With healthy working environment they are kinda happy to even stay overtimes. At least that's what I do.
>lived for years on a line cooks
>I worked at a supermarket
>walked into an Applebees
So, you're just proving my point that you're talking from experience of monkey tier minimum wage employment.
>I was making a more than livable wage
>I was still able to support myself though
Yeah, because you're some socially inept beta male whose only interests are arguing on Jow Forums and spending all this spare income on vidya neglecting EVERYTHING else. Or you ought to tell me, that you were able to support mortgage (only way to really buy property unless you're super lucky) and your family.

Do not exchange measly cattle like existence with living.

>This is why single motherhood is so evil tho. Single motherhood also produces commies cuz the kids feel helpless cuz moms don't know how to teach their kids to thrive.
We got a world of adult children now raised by single moms, and we got a world full of millennial commies now (I am a millennial too BTW, not a boomer FWIW). But that is why. That is why we have socialism now. Cuz we have children of single moms running around and mommy never taught her little boys how to get by in the world cuz mommy only knows how to suck dick and please a man and be pretty. IDK. I don't hate women. I have ZERO against them. But this IS the reality with single moms and they DO breed commies cuz they breed helpless adults. Also the overprotectiveness leads to this.

Trotsky got Stalind for the same reason Che Guevara got Castrod. They were ideologicall radicals pursuing world revolution while Stalin and Castro were more of a realists and kinda okay with revolution that had happened only in Soviet Union/Cuba being established and working further from the foundation they build.

>NOOOO YOURE LYING NOOO WE'RE NOT AS SHITTY AS CCCCCCCCHINA NOOO THEYRE THE COMMUNIST AND COMMUNIST BAD

So the soviets were real communism now?

I work as a software developer and average 41 hours a week.

i'm not saying trotsky was right, again i'm not a communist,but at least i think it should be noted that the "every communist state yet has failed! look guys there killing people" isn't a very good one, again hitler's regime a CAPITALIST regime also didt work, not because it was capitalist but because of the individual who leaded it

Are you senior developer or junior developer. Do you work at home on projects that are related to work?

>Well if a nigger on a sidewalk selling CDs is making good money then he's doing better than you, isn't he!
No, the point is that the nigger on the sidewalk doesn’t make any money, subsists off of welfare, and considers himself an “entrepreneur”. The word is meaningless.
>My businesses aren't illegal and they're varied
So you’re a fucking bum doing odd jobs for a little bit of cash here and there. Sad. Once you get into your boomer prime days user, your lack of real experience is what is going to fuck you in the ass.
>IDK man, go buy yourself a plow truck for 2000 dollars and put some craigslist ads up. You'll make massive profits your first season if you just know how to deal with people, and all you gotta do is drive around drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes and listening to tunes while you plow.
Driving around a plow truck doesn’t offer any applicable job nor life experience, you will live as a plow truck driver and die as a faggot with no real worth to your name. But hey, at least you were an “entrepreneur” right?
>And honestly, user, my guess is that you are the victim of single motherhood or an extremely cucked father. The 9 to 5 type. Corporate slave. IDK. Maybe that's literally all you think there is to life because you've just never been exposed to anything else, but that's not how it is, sorry.
Neither. Grew up with both parents, father owned his own business. Worked from home most of the time, but grinded every single day of the week for his keep. It’s admirable and commendable, but likewise it isn’t a 40 hour work week. When you have REAL bills to pay and a family to take care of user, you can’t live off of 40 hours. Maybe as someone who is single and doesn’t own his own property, but not as a familyman

china is not self sufficient.
relies heavily on global economy and trade.
is that still communism?

>hitler's regime a CAPITALIST regime also didt work, not because it was capitalist but because of the individual who leaded it
Hitler was a capitalist? Odd, I thought he was something else.

Holy Shit, I was could see there is something about mannerism of your post that's were hitting in the eyes but I wasn't quiet able to pin point it. Now I finally see, it feels like reading twitter of Donald Trump. Literally.

Is that you, Donald?

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he was socialist in name not in practice, you know very well that hitler hated commies

your flag is showing

youtu.be/Ce9bPpVZ0tI

Lol

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except if you don't know your history, in that case i can't blame you

I’m not calling him a socialist. I’m not saying he was a capitalist either. I’m merely suggesting that he may have subscribed to a third position. One which fought against predatory capitalist finance schemes and communists/socialists alike.

And? It was to accentuate my point.

at least you get the point right? he sure as hell wasn't a commie, and i'm pretty sure that he can only blame himself for his defeat, well i think it's pretty reasonable to say that the communist would survive a bit longer if they weren't led by crazy people

I see your point. Waffle bro. I am not dumb and even I can tell that communism could never work and Partial-Socialism like what we have (free education, subsidized health care, etc.) works only in small homogeneous societies. The second you try to apply this principle on something like USA you'll get absolute unsustainable nightmare because half of the population will try to abuse it.

The communism itself boils down to the human consciousness and it's inability to not act like a fucking chimp given the chance. Simple as that. Whenever there were attempts of establishing something like that on a large scale, the purges (numbers greatly exaggerated) are natural part of it, you have to incarcerate or outright kill those who abuse/work against the attempted system.

Ask any US poster and they'd tell you that they'd genocide blacks in a heartbeat because they abuse the welfare system. Then, 100 years from now you'd have some cosmo-chan posters from Russia making daily threads about how american solution was bad because they killed people and you should read Archipelago McDonald written by some black dissident.

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Akkchually hitler was both and neither
He hated the capitalist banking and stockmarket system while simple redistribution of wealth was inacceptable for him too and instead projects like the "Eintopfsonntag" were established.
He wanted to create a (race based) merit system where effort was praised and awarded. Thats why projects/slogans like "Arbeit macht frei" and "Kraft durch Freude" were established.

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>well i think it's pretty reasonable to say that the communist would survive a bit longer if they weren't led by crazy people
Same could be said for any political ideology, capitalism included. Just remember that politics attracts those types though, user. They love this shit.

i'm just tired of people saying the same wrong argument, in the end i'm still the modern socialist (which is basically a capitalist with some communism sprinkled over it, and even then i'm only that to a extend)

There is an inherent problem with US socialism as well, that it is essentially being pushed by the parasites who want to abuse it. To advocate against such people would be advocating against your own movement, thus making them the perfect tools for those who wish to hammer down the nails of society. Our socialism isn’t even socialism, it’s a sort of abused welfarism.

your right

>Implying Jack Ma is a Chinese government official

This is capitalism is it's purist form. This is what retarded poor white people vote for

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Im not specifically for democracy or capitalism.. Its not too different than communism, but at least you still have freedom to do anything if you are a serious person and it isnt malevolent shit.. In communism you dont have the freedom to do that.

Communism is lunatic shit.. its a downgrade from what we already had.. And once again im not specifically for democracy or capitalism.. For any type of civilization to be good and healthy would require that its citizens be deeply educated.. about their mind, other people and the true nature of human existence and all the things that people go through in life. But its difficult to bring that about or even communicate such things because peope are so programmed.

If somebody understands this type of education then it naturally communicates itself to other people.. There is no negative involved.. no pain or effort.. The only difficulty is the programming creating mental suffering in regards to the education. They say its dreadful if theyre wrong because theyve invested in it and it gives them security.. but they dont realize theyre screwing themselves all along and they arent happy..

If you were truly educated about life, you would be happy.. you would live more.. you would gain from it.. Nothing bad about it

China is turning itself into a smoking wasteland.. and theyre breeding like rabbits.. Sure some of it looks nice but most of it is slums.. And what difference does it make if roads and buildings look nice but you live in tyranny?

But you see the whole irony of it, right?
>X was bad because they killed people, but given the chance, we would kill people too because they abuse system and we have a right to do so unlike X

Also, I like how OP dipped. It was really clear that he was either a neet or LARPing min wage cuckslave. The lifestyle he suggested is sustainable only if you're single spending your spare income on vidya while neglecting and disregarding everything else.
>When you have REAL bills to pay and a family to take care of user, you can’t live off of 40 hours.
This is exactly what I was trying to convey the whole time. It's that it's now a norm and in fact, you are expected to work more than 40 hours a week just to be able to sustain family. And it's not about the wage you make, it's about the time you are expected to spend on all levels of wealth stratification.

?????
jackie mhan is a ccp member

I worked a job that was Mon->Sat 12-12 a full summer and it was the biggest mistake of my life. Health turned to complete dogshit and it showed in my studies that whole year.

I know there are a lot of young kids here but please realize that your job isn't your life. That is just a lie kikes told you to make you a complacent little bitch who never questions the system. You shouldn't work one second longer than necessary in life. It's meant to be enjoyed.

You literally dont own your own house in china. There are no property rights. You rent it from the government for a limited time. How is that capitalism?
>its not

Full land ownership is very questionable concept to be honest.

>But you see the whole irony of it, right?
Sort of. I understand using that argument as a tactic, because the average person doesn’t want a violent solution shoved in their face. Under capitalism there is violence and death, but it is far enough away to where there is an emotional disconnect from it, whereas with Communism/Socialism it is generally understood that death could be right on your doorstep. Indiscriminate, whereas with capitalism you at least have some illusion of freedom that makes it your own fault if you fail. But I do see the hypocrisy in it and I agree with you, it’s a disingenuous tactic but effective in rhetoric.
I don’t think user was honestly being genuine. LARPing if anything, but you can never really tell anymore. You did good user, I’m glad you pursued that faggot and showed that he was the one without an argument, not you.

>wasting time on these retarded r/t_d cucks
why are you bothering my czechbro wtf
everyone by now knows mutts are lost cause
we are lucky to see it burn down in our lifetimes

Not really.

No
Fuck you commie

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>commie retards seriously think there are fucking FACTORY OWNERS on Jow Forums

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Im not about killing anybody.. To me communism is no different than all the corruption of the past... And its for crazy people. You want better technology and more production without resolving the base level problems.. and thats what im for, resolving the base level problems...

Im against killing. Im not a person who thinks that endless technology is good.. Most people that do are disillusioned like an animal with a carrot hanging in front of it in a cartoon.. Crazy people.. they arent human. Theyre very violent people without resolving those original problems.

That being said, it truly appears that communism will rule the entire world in the not so distant future..

It seems as though those who dont agree will be purged in some way..

I dont think that many people forsaw the world becoming this shitty esp. this fast..

A communist is no different than any other kind of leftist killer..

All a smart person can do is be happy and non-violent even though these crooked lunatics will continue doing their crooked shit.. twisting the truth to fit their lunatic narrative and ignoring anything else.

Anybody that needs to be a slave to be productive is mentally ill.

All these leftists complain9ing aobut what whites did to the lands.. destroying them with technology and they all embrace the communism that destroys the earth faster than anything else..

It is once you begin to understand that land is in fact finite resource and larger part of land is owned and passed down through generational inheritance. Most of that land was initially acquired through pillaging, stealing or outright killing the inhabitants and claiming it as it's your own because during the feudalism you just could. Now, you're expected to spend X amounts of your life, most likely working for the offspring of the very same people that took this land in the first place just to be able to buy it back from them but you aren't allowed to acquire the land through the same means it was initially claimed by them.

Only a low IQ good goy would support full land ownership in it's current state.

>Buy it back
Such entitlement
The weak preach equality

You're retarded, aren't you?

this conversation turned in mindless cursing really quick

>All a smart person can do is be happy and non-violent even though these crooked lunatics will continue doing their crooked shit
I get it user, but the point is, when your basic needs are met there will be no incentive for you to be violent to begin with. Just look at the past experience of Czech Republic. When you have a place that's yours for 99 years. You have stable family with 2-3 kids who will get their very own place they will own for 99 years. You live in white society with very low rate of crime, you will be pretty content and happy. Only autistic retards are screeching about muh freedom of expression, the autistic retards got what they wanted, most of them are dead today and we're left with absolute nightmarish shithole with people being reduced to nothing but cattle.

This is the thing that Americans will be never able to understand. The people look back to Soviet Union is because they can compare what was then vs what they got now, no matter the amount of anti-commie posting on Jow Forums would change that sentiment, because they remember very well, that they were treated in fact, like humans apart from rare few. The today's danger is that zoomers will have no experience to compare to and will regard the world they lived in as a paradise all while it's in fact nightmarish hell hole and everyone who got more than two braincells can already see it happening in full force in USA and Czech Republic or any other western country.