Best Fictional Political Systems

A based jew? That got me thinking, is Israel a prototype for starship troopers type society? You got conscription.

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There is nothing authoritarian about it

>when the first post is the best post
Based kike. Service guarantees citizenship.

If I recall in the book the government is shown to be a bit more authoritarian socially like capital punishment for all kinds of crimes. Still would rather live there though.

Clearly

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What do you mean by best? Best for real life living or best you liked in media or best for meme?

Pre-Heresy Imperium is the only correct answer. The Imperial Truth is the superior ideology.

The Imperial Truth is an atheist, rationalist ideology defined by the values of reason, science and secular progress. It was created to replace the older traditions of religion, superstition and faith that had long held control over Mankind. At its heart The Imperial Truth teaches that the universe is rational and that knowledge defeats fear. With this assertion comes the denial of the irrational, the superstitious, and faith in powers and principles beyond the knowable. There can be no mysteries of the soul, no sorcery, no gods. Those who cling to their ignorance are cast down, their lies silenced in the pyre's roar. The terrors of the past had grown in the shadow of superstition and false belief, and if Mankind is to survive a rebirth, it cannot tolerate the delusions of the past. That there could be other dimensions and powerful beings who dwell within them would not be denied, only that they are supernatural. That some might call these phenomena "sorcery," or attribute them to gods, are simply the symptoms of incomplete understanding of reality.

Two important beliefs of The Imperial Truth are that Mankind will never be free to progress and advance to its destined position as the dominant intelligent species in the Milky Way Galaxy until "the last stone from the last church is cast down onto the last priest." and that men must never develop artificially intelligent machines, although The Imperial Truth upholds the light of reason and science. At its core, the belief Mankind's primary goal should be to rule the galaxy is the driving force behind The Imperial Truth.

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But you get to die for the Emprah, what else could you possible want?

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If you had any intelligence whatsoever you would realize that serving your country is already enslavement if the ones you serve are dirty kikes. Democracy is better, people decide what they want to do, but we ain't got no democracy, because of dirty kikes.

wtf, I love isreale now

I think the ideal state as envisioned by Plato in "The Republic" still stands as the grandest ideal to strive for, and philosopher kings as the ideal ruler.

To my knowledge it has never existed in the real world. Perhaps the Roman Empire under Marcus Aurelius would be the closest.

Wana make a Dream Real? The Pride Flag is our Flag! Pride in our Race! Pride in our Culture! Pride in our Faith!!!

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This. I wonder if we could expand/redefine TIP and apply it to the real world.

Absolutely fucking THIS

What's the left flag? The CIS?

Best as in a system that pol would be happy with and solve the problems that they regularly kvetch about.

>the Imperial Truth
>the system that led to the Second greatest cataclysm in the galaxy because the emperor couldn't be bothered to tell anyone about Chaos and its Gods

it happened in a galaxy far away, so is not fictional.

>atheist
Yikes. Almost full marks besides.

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You're looking at it the wrong way.

>More heretics to kill

Emprah protects

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Big E was trying to starve Chaos of the recognition that gives it power

Atheism does not always have to be fedora tipping retards

>democracy is best
Yikes user. Democracy is a jew tool for diffuse societies to be easily infiltrated. To say if you had a jew free democracy you'd be good is like saying if you have a body without white blood cells youd be good as long as smallpox decided to not be hostile towards you.

Sounds like freemasonry with extra steps.

Living surrounded by resentful kebabs has a way of teaching you about life

There is also a function for spirituality and organisational religion in day to day life. Casting stones down on priests elevates the common man to the position of moral arbiter without the benefit of seminary or theological history. Bowden did a great video on this regard the role of faith in communism.

>heinlein managed to make something semi authoritarian in scifi without it looking grimdark and a horrid place to live.

This is actually what makes the book so damn weak to me that I find it baffling it's considered such a great piece of literature.
Worst part is that he doesn't properly challenge is own utopia. He tries, but it just comes off as a lecture of telling you that he is right and you are wrong.

The problem that Heinlein had was that he had the overly romanticized idea that if you served your country, then you automatically became some kind of a saint who wants to do everything for his country and his countrymen without putting himself first.
This pretty much throws human nature out of the window and disregards every authoritarian failure in our history.
The only way I could see a system like his working is if it emerged around a time when technology to so good that everyone could live in comfort and relatively stress free.
That would make people complacent enough not to challenge a system like that and it would eliminate a lot of the crime due to the comfort. people have.
You could argue that this is the case in his book because of nice tech level, but he never ever approaches it from that point of view and basically just tells the reader to shut up and accept that his system is the best idea ever, because soldiers always want to serve the greater good after experiencing the militaristic brotherhood.

I was fairly let down by that book and I thought the writing was surprisingly weak for the praise it has gotten over the years.

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Imperium of man is absolutely right.

How do? Dont know much about freemasonry desu

Starship troopers citizen service, from the book, mind.

>There is also a function for spirituality and organisational religion in day to day life.
> the role of faith

Yes, That's true. That's the whole point of The Imperial Truth. Under TIP Mankind would no longer be worshipping a myth, it would be worshiping itself and the goal of dominating the Milky Way.

Im telling you, TIP is the superior ideology. It is a fucking masterpiece.

fpbp
Good one Hymie

You are not wrong about some of the one sided nature of the book. But I think it is praised for the reasons that it really tackled some taboos about authority just after dealing with dictators in real life as it was released within a short length of time after ww2.

Also I think Rico's conflict like when he doubts whether hanging a soldier for raping a child is a good idea and it stays with him for a long time is not too badly done. But yes it is generally a bit biased.

I suppose though that much of scifi at the time was full of semi socialist stuff like star trek that made little effort to explain their equally senseless worldview. So maybe it was supposed to be the initial shock piece of literature that inspired a new sub genre of fashy scifi. Too bad it's still about evil megacorps and empires.

The one that gives me giant robots is clearly the best

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I still think self worship would turn on itself. If you have no higher authority that reaches the perfect then you are worshipping an imperfect creature. Too much enshrining this in religious style practise and you have a cult of the human. Look now how we have technological cultism and how you cannot possibly question the validity of techno progress. People look at you like you are a 16th century atheist. The most you can get away with is to complain about new iPhones every year. But even that is you just asking why the cost per annum is so high for this thing which is to admit you love it as much as I do but you want it to slightly better priced. It's like people insisting they love Stalin more than their neighbour and their neighbour saying they love stalin more. Nobody in 1940s Russia said they didn't love stalin.

>authoritarian socially like capital punishment for all kinds of crimes
Literally reading it right now, and nah. Some guy gets hung for murdering someone but that's it.

There is the whole "Sovereign leader" though, and that is one of the biggest themes throughout the book. If you question a higher up too much, you get in trouble (usually a beating, rarely a flogging).

Harry potter duh incels

Yeah, cause jarheads are always the best and the brightest, the smartest and the most farsighted too.

>the problem of the democracy is that gullible idiots get to vote on par with normal people
>let's fix it by only allowing voting for the part of the society with the lowest average IQ after street criminals and who spend their entire career in an environment that suppresses independent thinking and promotes obedience and pack mentality

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>majority male
>generally racist
>generally violent
How is this not the perfect voter base?

>If you have no higher authority that reaches the perfect then you are worshipping an imperfect creature.
The Emperor is the higher authority.

> how you cannot possibly question the validity of techno progress.
The Imperial Truth is transhumanist. Self Aware A.I. is forbidden to be created but the advancements in the field of A.I. are to be applied to mankind.

>when the first post is the best and also israeli

Well done Schlomo.

maybe your degenerate army fosters this kind of crap but not in the west.

Yeah I recall widespread corporal punishment and on the spot punishment in the hands of the police without a need for drawn out trials. This is what I mean by soft authoritarianism though. It is clearly a collectivist society and very firmly ruled but is pleasant.

Celtic Druidism, not fictional, but pretty damn close to it.

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>collectivist society
Nah it's Libertarian just highly militant. That is why Heinlein restricted the right to vote (Libertainism), you have the option to leave the MI at any time and never join back up (Libertarianism).

All of the choices are left up to the individual to decide, and if he doesn't feel like he has made the right one, there is no pressure and he can back out.

Star Trek's Federation. It's a benign military dictatorship disguised as a Socialist society made possible by a post scarcity tech base (anti matter power, replicators that can make anything you want) and the fact that the Eugenics Wars of the early 1990's saw both a culling of low IQ individuals and an infusion of augmented genetics into the population. Of course the average Federation citizen believes they live in a Socialist Utopia and Starfleet makes no effort to dissuade them of this. The majority of Starfleet personal probably even believe it themselves.

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You dont need to be a philosopher user just the right motivations. People are very reactive and veterans will easily feel repulsion towards the slimy politician with soft policies. I think every voter base is like this. The minute you start talking about our duty to the worlds poorest and a veteran will puke.

fpbp

Fuck what it turned into w/STNG Harry Mudd existed in ST universe. If your universe doesn't have that you're too far removed from reality to be interesting.

I was talking about our techno cultism in real life not in the imperium.

As for the emperor that is ok but not ideal. The great genius of christianity is to worship the martyr of all martyrs. It's only when the emperor became a mythical figure that their fanaticism started.

Serve (((your country))), ok

Left = Old Republic
Right = CIS
Bottom = Empire

That is collectivist though. Most collectivist societies are voluntary but the social fabric is made to abhor it. Yes there is a choice but there is a choice to be unemployed in Japan but would you want to?

Ah old republic of course. The old republic was the worst I think. It was riddled with internal conflict.

You'll be the world's poorest after some general gets elected a warlord and starts turning the whole society into barracks.

>That is collectivist though.
>Literally limiting the vote
>the book mocks collectivism
No it's not. The book is even listed under the "Libertarian" section

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ideas_in_science_fiction#Dystopian_societies

I can agree with that. Of course the war with the Klingons and the Dominion war kicked the Federation right in the ass and set them on a militaristic path for at least the next century. Glimpses on Voyager show advanced combat prototype starships and that the Defiant class had been put into regular production. Also, my personal theory is that the majority of Starfleet personnel can probably count a Eugenics War augment in their ancestry. Jim Kirk is an example. Fought Spock hand to hand twice and survived the experience, beat Khan Noonian Soong in a fight, even if he had to hit him with a wrench. Fought Klingons hand to hand and won well into his fifties. And I doubt he was the only one.

I'd say Sheev's Empire was as good as it gets.

>if
and if not, I agree with Heinlein.The system he supports would probably accomplish more to do away with crypto-jew sorts than any other next to National Socialism. I wouldn't want Any bastard unwilling to sacrifice toward those they seek to be in charge of to lead jack shit. It's why both disloyal richfags let disgusting niggers ruin everything, and whining marxist leftist TRASH mewl and screech like the subhuman garbage they are for power and gibs. Neither have any acceptable amount of merit to deserve what they seek. I'll grant at least the rich can feed themselves so to speak. But typical enfranchisement as we have in the West today is why we're going to go brown and collapse soon. Those who aren't loyal to anything but their own gut ruin us.

Heinlein sees the way to cull this. I agree with him.
>infusion
They literally banned and Demonized eugenics over it as a story narrative. The Eugenics Wars is Gene Kikenberry saying we need to just let niggers breed like wild in a post-scarcity society, like feeding stray dogs and letting them fuck out more useless warm bodies. Because Eugenics Bad. Sure in his jackass utopian mind, everyone comes out a fuckin' genius magically instead of Idiocracy happening. But that's because he's a leftist moron.

I repeat, the entire reason "the Eugenics Wars" exists is to say anyone groomed to be better than the average Joe, is literally Crazy Murder-Hitler (Khan).

JUST being smart far as who deserves to LEAD (and a voter is how you decide leaders) matters for shit by itself, however. Any conniver coward can be smart, look at Jews. We're going to be an ugly niggerworld under them. Heinlein sees the clear flaws in that, too. I again agree.

This.

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Democracy but it isn't corrupted by a ruling class.

I dunno man it seems highly utopian and farfetched to see perfect racial harmony thanks to food replicators. We have 95 or more percent of the population liberated from the land right now and food production so plentiful we are all becoming obese but this changes nothing we are still living in a shithole.

Shows how little you've read into user. No active duty military can vote in order to prevent military juntas. They are all resigned vets.

Spotted the fucking retarded.

To expand on the Kikes post.

In the world of Starship Troopers everyone is born with a debt.
This debt is in the form of the world built around you and for you and while the average population still reap a great many benefits to this world. There were many factors that were near impossible to obtain unless you were filthy rich and even than you were put into a queue to wait with the other people.

Service came in many forms, the literal military service, police services, agricultural services. wildlife/terraforming services.
All of these jobs were often shitty regardless of which one you picked and required huge commitments. In the form of military buy quite possibly dying or for better example the terraforming services which could have contract lengths of decades on other words.

The point was when your debt to society was paid off by hard work or sacrifice. You proved you put societies best intentions first and were granted citizenship.

You were often put in birthing queues much farther ahead of other people, politics was now an open game for you, complete medical and pension pay was often in your future.

What's best, none of these benefits moved onto your children. While physical money could be handed down the repercussions for squandering it would be quite high. As a rich playboy who drinks and gambles could lose everything his father worked for in five years and not be entitled to any of his father's benefits.
While surviving spouses/children could obtain benefits from their partner's/parent's sacrifice up until their death if the spouse or parent died from work related incidents.
The spouse often obtains these benefits regardless if the partner died at work or not in the form of a retiree pension.

Starship Trooper's world has the best system ever.

100 agree on all these based points user.

I'd say The Imperial Truth too desu

Based analysis user and patrician tastes in the ideal system of the future. Hats off to you.

The irony is both Nimoy and Shatner are Juden.

I thought a lot about what monetary policy would look like if the Earth joined an intergalactic economic system in theory.

Mathematically, it would be rather complicated to coordinate monetary policy.

So something that doesn't exist?

Assambleary Anarchism, most redpilled system that exists.

Keep in mind that this system may depend on perpetual war or possibly exploration (see: Star trek) if there's nothing to fight service becomes meaningless.

>Shatner
Dont do this to me user. Tell me you lie. Plz.

You mean the galactic empire model? Yeah I dunno what it might look like

Care to explain user?

Anarchism ideally works in assambly, everything is decided in an assambly formed by the people involved in the community, form there there will come the agreements and actions that will be implemented in that society. So you remove the megafagget that is representing you and you start representing yourself with your fellow redpilled members of your community.

Doesn't exist, people are greedy and realize they can vote themselves more money and power (see: boomers) the best system may not be a system but a cycle of democracy and dictatorship. A revolving cycle of democracy, which once gets decadent is removed by a coup, the dictatorship removes corrupt politicians and sets a national focus until it too gets too big and bogged down in bureaucracy. It's then overthrown on a revolution. Repeat the cycle

and if the fascist in the lead is a faggot you're fucked, next

wolfenstein

This was my first pick. It's one of the few forms of Democracy where voters have proper incentive to be knowledgeable and make good decisions.

Its great cos its utopian, but it doesnt have a realistic premise of the 23rd century economy. The idea is of course that technology solves scarcity, but the tv series and movies only apply this conveniently.
Imo un spacy in the macross universe is one of the best. Its an enlightened and expansionary decentralised human civilisation spreading the lost beacon of culture back into the galaxy. And it has a strong vision of citizen service, technological progress and elevation of blissful cultural activity.

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How is restricting voting rights libertarian?

Macros isn't as good as Gundam

>Democracy is better, people decide what they want to do
ew. you are one confused untermensch. enjoy getting nothing done and watching stagnation eventually turn into decline.
>while were at it lets not accelerate to the stars but instead feed the worlds poor

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uc is a wartorn strife filled universe, all the stories are about failed as fuck states

this would be cool to see, shitposting satan.

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Killzone

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might be a bit commie

Plato republic is practically communist. no family unit, no art and music, hereditary classes, and no capitalism.