Are the incels right?

Yeah man this 5'2 balding janitor stole my gf becuase of his mad personality game :'(

Sadly I'm living proof of that truth :-(

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I'm an attractive guy who's never had sex

Millions of thots can't lie

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Physical attributes matter the most in the first 5 minutes. But long-term it's more about personality and what you have going on in life. So the two work in tandem.

And here is a terrible secret that most blackpilled individuals don't realize. There are not a lot of beautiful people. There are also not a lot of ugly people. There are a lot of average people and average has a huge range to run through. On a scale of 1 to 10, average runs from 3 to 8. Most guys can increase their score by at least two points by doing some very simple things like losing weight, getting a haircut, a new wardrobe, and a style that works for them. Just being in good physical condition does wonders for how you look. Losing weight or putting on muscle changes the way your face looks. It changes the thickness of your neck. Within a year after applying a little effort there's no reason you can't increase your score by at least two points.

who the fuck cares, they can be manipulated in your children so they don't have your fate heh

Women love funny men, they just have to be somewhat attractive and meeting certain standards like cleaniness and such.

You know we gotta do it to em

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how can you post this bullshit when youre literally proven wrong in a previous post, you dumb kosher mutt lmao

>muh personality
absolute room temperature iq

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Its true. I was an incel until I got rid of my glasses. The month after I got Lasek I got laid 2 times by attractive girls. Before zero. Suddenly I was also funny.

What’s wrong with what he said? Looks open doors, but personality keeps you in the room, that’s something even good looking people say.

Too based for Jow Forums

go away

How about the height? How about receding hairline? How about the lower third? Do you think all of that is a bullshit and does not matter? Mark my words, as soon as I finish my trading algo project, I will embark on non-profit data science research (computer vision, clustering etc) on men's looks and attraction, and I will publish the results right here on Jow Forums, dumbfuck. Data science matters the most when you have unbiased data

No they're not, I mean being attractive and fit does help but many other factors go in too like personality, how you dress, smell, haircut etc. I mean that's what counts. I mean though you're not going to get some 10/10 to just fall on your lap either, that's where MGTOWs and actual incels get in trouble with, they expect some 10/10 whore to fall on their lap while they're just sitting in their rooms jacking off to anime on this site while acting like a complete bitter asshole. That's just not how shit works, truth is you're probably only going to get some plain jane girl and that's perfectly fine. They're better in my opinion just because they're usually not terrible people. Though the defense I've heard from MGTOWs and especially literal incels is "well I don't want to have a plain gf/wife! I want a hot one, that's unfair!" This is the same exact logic that "Cool Wine Aunts" have because they're terrible selfish people and yet want some 10/10 man to fuck them while they contribute nothing in return and they themselves aren't the best looks either and want someone to settle for them, it's pathetic. As for the anecdotal "evidence" people will reply this with "but I met this one or more of girls in my life that were complete shit, therefore all females are whores!" which is blatantly retarded because I've met plenty of shit women in my life, same with men too because turns out most people are shitty selfish faggots who aren't worth your time, being bitter and pouting about it doesn't help you at all.

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If you don't mind plebbit you can look at top all time on r/blackpillscience

It's all equally important, but you need at least two of these: Face, frame, personality. I've got the face (good looking aryan, 10/10) and neither my personality nor my frame are shit, but they are not as good as they could be. With just this I am able to pull some pussy, but if I improved either my frame or personality I would be unstoppable.

>you cannot change any of this
Yes, you can. Case in point: all of those South Korean women getting all kinds of facial surgeries.

You ugly fucking loser. This guy is telling you the truth and youd rather wallow in pity like some meek fucking bitch.

The younger you are the more looks matter for both sexes, that is why those young relationships are usually not very deep, its just puppy love. As you get older more factors start to matter (but there is always a looks threshold that you must clear first, its just not as steep). These factors are things like personality, career, living situation, confidence, pedigree, where you're heading in life.

There are some traits that make one ugly that are completely inchangeable through surgery. For example, there’s no surgical way to fix a long mid face or incorrect eye spacing (both of which make you unattractive).

Those south koreans are smart, they're lookspilled. Life is hard enough as it is, being attractive makes it a lot better. Being unattractive genetically (meaning working out can't fix it) really makes life a downer. Everyone wants to be beautiful.

This.

Fuck you and his gay ass. Always in every thread someone's gotta talk out the side of their ass. How about you tell me how to pose and I'll take a bunch of pics of my "ugly fucking loser" face and then you take those pics and make dating profiles on any site you want and give me the super duper personality you think I should have and see how many responses you get. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR PERSONALITY IS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T EVEN GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO EXPRESS THAT PERSONALITY BECAUSE THEY THINK YOU'RE UGLY.

Are you a woman?
The numbers say 25%+ of men are incel, who will most definitely NOT get plain Jane or anyone at all

Real talk here, all you need to attract a woman is to have a life. Sure if you're not hot the best you'll do is 6-7/10 but you could even get an 8/10 by just being well groomed and fit, even if you have an unfortunate facial structure. Example; this dude at work looks like a fucking ferret, but he's ripped with nice hair and nice clothes, this gives him tons of confidence and I'm convinced he could pull whatever woman he wanted. So the only thing keeping you an incel loser is your lack of drive and motivation.

I want to do something more significant, like, for instance, a predictor of the score (1-10) based only on photo and some additional info. Plebbit is also good, but the info is not structured, I want to create the final straw that might break the "white knighthood"'s back

Yeah man have you seen chad the child rapists mad game

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No thinks they deserve a 10/10

Mewing

>Does personality really not matter at all?

women do not have personality so how can they judge if men have personality? they after what they comprehend such as height frame fame face is not important

>8/10
Probably more like a 4/10 that you’ve rationalized some way that they’re an 8

It’s so sad. Your standards are so low and you don’t realize you’ve lowered them.

To be fair, pulling latinas is easy mode. You're not dealing with cold anglos/white girls. Much harder.

t. half latino

You have to be a retard who has never been around women to believe that

Sure, being hot is a major plus. But hotness for men is very subjective. Nothing is going to save you if you look like a goomba, but any average looking dude with great personality can pull tail like crazy if he wanted to.

Boring personality + hot == great personality + average

God help you if you are butt ugly tho

Dude what are you on about? Women are FULL of personality

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This is surprisingly accurate

/Sig/ or gtfo for the rest of the losers here

>more than 1 in 4 men are incels so they won't get a plain jane!
I mean if you're talking about a lot of men being betafags that act like women that no woman wants to be with because they aren't interested in a lesbian relationship, then yes you are correct from the basedboys to actual incel Jow Forums types and guess what? It's their own damn fault too.
bullshit, like outright bullshit, plenty of these whiny cunts complain about why they deserve a 10/10. They don't say it outright but they do imply it and get pissed when you point out they're a plain guy so therefore they'll have to get a plain girl within their same social class equivalent.

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>But hotness for men is very subjective

This is actually not true

Here's some advice

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this shit is dumb. as stupid as w*men are, interacting with an actual person is different than looking at a bunch of words on paper. of course between words and a picture, the picture is going to have more pull.

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>dude look these 4 sluts who are on tinder specifically looking for dick said they want to get fucked by a hot model who went to prison for being a child rapist because they're selfish shitty people only looking for dick, therefore all women are like this and this is why I can't get laid, it's their fault they don't want some loser who sits around being bitter and full of self pity
wew lad

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>Does personality really not matter at all?
Of course not. We decide if we want to fuck someone within a few seconds of meeting them, you think that their personality matters?

But physical attractiveness isn't some incel memes, it's about health and genetic compatibility. If you're an incels you're either so ill that nobody wants you or you always go for women that aren't compatible to you. That's all.

It actually is true.
Ask 10 men whether Katy Perry is hot and 9/10 will agree
Ask 10 women whether Justin Bieber is hot and 5/10 might agree.

Sure there are objectively attractive men. No woman is going to say that Gandi is unattractive

But when you are objectively a 6/10, plenty of women will find you a 9/10 if you have the right personality

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>An attractive man of good height signals to the lady that the prospective man has good genes
So anyone over 5’9

Mods need to word filter that fucking term immediately.

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they don't care, I mean woman are retarded emotional things but these guys just look for any excuse but themselves for why they can't get a girlfriend. They don't like it when you show them that it's actually themselves that are the problem and they need to self improve.

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this

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Are you speaking from experience here? I honestly think all my success with women was because of height + looks. Being interesting is just a bonus but it doesn’t really matter. I’ve never seen a 6/10 guy get good pussy by being funny.

The only important thing is to not appear weak, but that’s important for more than just dating.

I've either just barely made it or barely missed it, and I don't know what pisses me off more.

>Ask 10 women whether Justin Bieber is hot and 5/10 might agree.

WHen he was in his prime, if you asked girls in his age range and same race 99% of them would say he's hot/cute/handsome. Every single young girl had a crush on him at one point. Its just as subjective as it is for women. Hot is hot, decent looking is decent looking, average is average. The only woman that would find a 6/10 "hot" is probably a 4 herself.

Hark, you don't really understand the point, do you? The point is: the interaction with a man is absolutely (sic!) determined by the appearance score at the inception of the interaction. Photo scoring suits that definition. If you were marked 5-6 by photo, no charisma and no confidence will ever help you impress her that you were 8 deep inside.

you can always fuck men.

The guy on the left could easily fuck lots of girls if he just made something of himself instead of whined on the Internet all day.

Kek, well I've had it confirmed my entire life that I'm a funny fuck, and ever since I've moved to this ((((city)))) I've experienced time and time again, dumb hot thots giving me the death stare after I drop a killing one liner. It's a combination of me being ugly, but also them being retarded.

Patrice O'neal said NEVER think that you are weird. If someone calls you weird IRL (whether they are a Chad or a woman) argue against it, and call them weird. If you are witty and smart, you will be able to win the exchange. Sure, it won't make women want to fuck you, but you can at least make normies feel shitty, or get the better of them. It's just an epidemic of normies. There used to be women out there who genuinely wanted good men, but they are rapidly getting bred out, and replaced with thots (or becoming thots themselves).

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Contact lenses tomorrow morning.

Fuck this shit.

I have been rejected by at least 5 different girls In the past 2 years, and I don't mean in a club-setting. Just random women I knew or happened to meet.

They won't even go out for a coffee with me. I am just an average guy,what the fuck do they really expect, honestly.

I have the brightest future ahead of me, I do a million things , I play music, I watch movies, I swim, I am studying engineering, I build cars. But no, fuck all of that, I don't look like a Hemsworth so it deserve to die from depression.

Honestly, what the fuck are we doing here

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Maybe your long internet whore exposure has warped your own view so you think models are average looking because that's the only kinda woman your brain ever processes, if only you left your mom's basement.

They like shopping and travelling too.

Honk

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The main woman my brain processes is my girlfriend

Most insta models do not look attractive. You can tell when someone is good looking because of filters + makeup and when they’re good looking naturally.

Quit projecting.

Let me tell you something Irish brother (I'm part Irish). You likely don't feel as shitty as guys like me who have sipped from the toxic pussy elixer, but can no longer find another sip. When I was in high school, either you were a virgin, or you have "gotten some before". Fast forward to now, and LITERALLY you need to fuck a different bitch AT LEAST once a month (and that was a close call brooooo, you almost became an incel on us broooo) or you are an incel. It's fucking retarded. I just want a gf, but women are all becoming status thirsty whores. I consider myself a day walker MGTOW at this point. I'll "go my own way" until I feel like I have a shot in hell, and I think that will involve moving far the fuck away from this clown city.

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Women hate "weird" in men because they're the constant and men are the control. Every man is an experiment, women pick who gets to spread their seed. I've always said men have to try their best to appear normal/not weird and women try their best to be "different" from all the other girls. Its a struggle for both.

Traveling is the most mundane and boring type of hobby that women in their prime have. Almost every 3 out of 4 whom I know travel every time they have some free money.

Are you trying with girls uglier than you think you deserve?

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I would say behavior/personality matters more, but that is genetically determined as well.

>Not trying to find success as an uggo out of spite

Never gonna make it

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I guarantee that was due to increased confidence that you showed.

What makes you think that?

Women do not give a fuck about your bone structure. They care how tall you are, how much money you have, and your social ability.

Stop being a girl and crying over your appearance. Nobody gives a shit.

>Imagine how stressed out plain janes have been over the last 20 years

how many of those plain janes are actually unable to find partners?

>Is the blackpill on attractiveness, dating, and women true?

How much pussy do male midgets get?

This

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>all this projection by some bitter loser who will look for anything to blame but himself for why he's a failure
wew lad

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