Did the holocaust happen Jow Forums

that feel when is what TFW is used as in my area, people use mfw for face

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none of those people were burned to death as the word holocaust implies

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>did the Holocaust happen
Probably
>do I care
No

Did the holocaust happen?
Did the Jews really kill Jesus?

The real victims of the WW2 Holocaust were people in cities that were either firebombed or nuked

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I find this interesting en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando_photographs

The only photos to exist prewar of the gas chambers are photos allegedly from inside it or people walking towards it not of the chamber itself

Holy shit is that 6 gorillion Jews there??? Now I feel bad for saying Heil Hitler so much :( :( :( :(

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the wikipedia definition
>st Holocaust historians define the Holocaust as the enactment, between 1941 and 1945, of the German state policy to exterminate the European Jews.[a] In Teaching the Holocaust (2015), Michael Gray, a specialist in Holocaust education,[27] offers three definitions: (a) "the persecution and murder of Jews by the Nazis and their collaborators between 1933 and 1945", which views the events of Kristallnacht in Germany in 1938 as an early phase of the Holocaust; (b) "the systematic mass murder of the Jews by the Nazi regime and its collaborators between 1941 and 1945", which acknowledges the shift in German policy in 1941 toward the extermination of the Jewish people in Europe; and (c) "the persecution and murder of various groups by the Nazi regime and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945", which includes all the Nazis' victims. The third definition fails, Gray writes, to acknowledge that only the Jewish people were singled out for annihilation
>the persecution and murder of Jews
the metod of kiling doesnt matter according to wikipedia

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No
Yes

Thessalonians 2:15 btw is a beauty - "Jews killed Jesus and are the enemies of all mankind"

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Stop posting dead commies faggot. The Germans did what they had to do (which did not include mass exterminations of the Jews by gas)

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The Holocaust as currently articulated did NOT happen.
Sure jews died.
But oy vey, the death count is exaggerated

It's really not a yes or no, it's a matter of degree and intention.

>Interment Camps and You: WW2 Boogaloo
Pretty much since the Boer War internment camps have been policy of limiting partisan activity. After the cluster fuck that happened in WW1 with various mutinies and unchecked insurrection, all major nations in WW2 employed internment/concentration camps to some extent. So, yes, there were definitely internment camps in Nazi Germany that housed political prisoners and other potential partisans. The extent of who and why is debatable and general ideology around them, which leads to a point that Jow Forums often avoids in these discussions

>Liquidation of camps in a bitter conflict
Once you get to the close of the war, policy involving internment camps becomes much more shaky for practical reasons more than political. For instance, obvious problems such as supply are widely acknowledged - if you can barely feed your soldiers, what is your priority for prisoners? Likewise, what happens when a camp must be evacuated? Do you prirotize transport to the interior for prisoners? Do you simply unlock the gate and let them free to become fresh recruits, partisans, and informants? Do you kill as many prisoners as your time and supplies allow? What will these prisoners do to your own soldiers if there is a mutiny while you're vulnerable?

This liquidation phase is where things get extremely messy in holocaust literature because a lot of it isn't orders from high places, but rather lower commanders making the best choices to minimize their own risks as possible. In a similar vein, you can see many awkward choices made in the early days of Operation Barbarossa with the hordes of prisoners that fell into Nazi hands. There simply isn't anything that can be done with the prisoners in the long term - it's just too many mouths to feed. In Japan you can also see a with prisoners a lot of... questionable actions taken by various commanders.

how do you know the are commies?
the merly existance of non-jewish vitctims of Germans triggers you this much ?
is this russian toddler also a commie?

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Yes I think it likely did happen.

Just a shame the Nazis didn’t finish the job.

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Died in ghetto = holocaust

Which is interesting because the Jews were moved out of the cities.

Btw, Berlin synagogue stayed open during the whole war

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>people die during war
OH MY ZOG! IT'S A HOLOCAUST!

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I can go on for a while about moral dilemmas throughout the war, but let's move onto the current narrative. The biggest issue with the current narrative isn't quite anything to do with it, but rather those who are bringing the narrative forth. Everyone involved has an invested interest in it being the travesty it is portrayed as. The Soviets hoped to distract from their demons, and reduce resistance in their newly acquired territory, de-Nazification was a complex task for the Americans, the British and French were desperate to stamp out that adversarial spirit that had dominated European politics with Germany for the last 70 years, Ardeneur's government depended on a repentant Germany, the Zionists had a solid call to arms to rally behind, the Jews in Europe were allowed to suckle at the teat of a defeated Germany, the Jews in the United States could brow beat their opponents with the horrors of unchecked authoritarianism, etc.

Yes, Britain fire bombed all the German cities, mostly women, children and old men. Incinerated an estimated 58,850,000 people in one week including the cost with the Jews in them.
Look up "Hellstorm".

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This

>people were hungry
>also people died in the war
Thats all your pictures show

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If you can't prove the sheer numbers of people, there's no point posting imagine of a few people.

Treblinka is impossible to account for the claimed numbers; Occam's razor

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Ok guys it is after midnight and I have things to do tomorrow so I am out of here. Thanks for the few constructive comments in the last thread. Interesting to see the same trolls seem to be back again now - the Canadian who has delusions of victory, paranoia and lack of command of English was posting his usual already debunked Jed by me twice this week nonsense. Although he seems now to be pretending not to have been told thst his references actually contradict what he says - perhaps his command of English isn’t thst good.
I assume is him again. He posted this a few nights back, and got trashed for it. I read it - it is just full of the same fact free and deliberate lies rubbish that I spent the last thread commenting on.

About the on,y good bit is on page 97 where he accidentally debunks the denier claim thst the Allies had broken the German codes and were able to read all the traffic from the camps. According to kollerstrom they cou,d on,y do it for about a year or so.

The Canadian doesn’t seem to know thst though, and ignored me pointing it out last night. Take him up on it please someone.

And here he is again with his original, it retarded, argument thst the Greek definition is the in,y one that matters.

logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/27/Appeal-to-Definition

I bet he will be back with it tomorrow.

And all the other lies. Look out for the one about the Auschwitz statistics being kept top secret and not available by FOI.

Serious question.
Why didn't the ebil nah Z's do this to all the Jew's instead of wasting resources to herd then together into "death camps" like cattle while feeding them rations that could have went to their own troops.
This right here is what would have happened on a mass scale.
>line the "enemy" up
>shoot them
>bury them.
This is the most productive and least brutal way to truly genocide a population.
Hundreds or other countries did exactly this.
So why didn't the Germans do it?
I'm honestly curious.

as odd as this may sound it was safer to be in the labor camps since none of them were bombed by allied forces.
Plus there's the fact that the US government spent more than half a million dollars trying to figure out how to start a firestorm in German and Japanese cities:
>Goodbye to Berlin
>Erich Mendelsohn designed some of the world's finest buildings - and helped destroy the German capital. By Jonathan Glancey
theguardian.com/artanddesign/2003/may/12/architecture.artsfeatures
archive.fo/2m6Hu

Why not?

Please everyone read the book. It shows how IBM helped the holocaust happen. The Canadian didn’t seem to realise this.

I love how this img can trigger every cutdick brain damaged jewish internet defense force, and I'll never reply to them since they get paid for every reply to their posts

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Nobody denies that prisoners starved in the last months of the war. You are speculating that officers decided to start liquidating Jews on their own accord.
Does this equate a plan to exterminate Jews? No
Does this mean 6 million died? No
Did they use gas? It would be ridiculous to think so

Wartime atrocities happened, but that doesnt change any of the deniers claims.

As to your original point, in 1945 the commandant of Buchenwald and Majdanek, Karl Koch, was executed by the German army after being convicted of the crime of killing a Jew.

So I dont think even your original speculation stands

Yes, the tattoo numbering system was developed by Hollerith which later became IBM, the bitter irony is that the census numbers in this post is the result of those mainframe computers
kek

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archive.is/jtMNP - Index of Published Evidence on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau

archive.is/ffFL6 - Contemporary German Documents on Homicidal Gas Vans

archive.is/CmcjD - Contemporary German Documents on Carbon Monoxide Gas and Bottles Employed for the Nazi Euthanasia

awesomestories.com/asset/view/EISENHOWER-S-PROOF-Holocaust-Evidence - Eisenhower visited the camps and recorded himself so people can't deny the German war crimes

>It's really not a yes or no, it's a matter of degree and intention.

The Jäger Report was written on 1 December 1941 by Karl Jäger, commander of Einsatzkommando 3, a killing unit of Einsatzgruppe A which was attached to Army Group North (Heeresgruppe Nord) during Operation Barbarossa, i.e. the invasion of the Soviet Union.

It is the most precise surviving chronicle of the activities of one individual Einsatzkommando.

The Jäger Report is a tally sheet of actions by Einsatzkommando 3, including the Rollkommando Hamann killing squad. The report keeps an almost daily running total of the liquidations of 137,346 people, the vast majority Jews, from 2 July 1941 to 25 November 1941. The report documents exact date and place of the massacres, number of victims and their breakdown into categories (Jews, communists, criminals, etc.).

In total, there were over 100 executions in 71 different locations listed there. On 1 February 1942, Jäger updated the totals to 136,421 Jews (46,403 men, 55,556 women and 34,464 children), 1,064 Communists, 653 mentally disabled, and 134 others in a handwritten note for Franz Walter Stahlecker.

The six-page report was prepared in five copies, but only one survives and is kept by the Central Lithuanian Archives in Vilnius.

Jäger escaped capture by the Allies when the war ended, assumed a false identity, and was able to assimilate back into society as a farm hand until his report was discovered in March 1959. Arrested and charged with his crimes, Jäger committed suicide by hanging himself in prison in Hohenasperg while he was awaiting trial in June 1959.

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But it still means the story of the Holocaust as it is known is a forgery

Provide at least one German order to exterminate anyone, I've been waiting decades for at least one
The Hofle telegram isn't an example btw, and Raul Hillberg a pro-hoax historian couldn't find one order out of tens of thousands of documents to "exterminate" anyone

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And? If you'd like, you can change the name of it to something else, but you'd really have no benefit in doing so.

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Even Israeli historians say there isnt any. They say the best evidence is the "uprootment" entry in Goebbels diary

apparently the shoah has been happening since the 19th century omg

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>those mainframe computers
All they had were punch card sorters - no computers.

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Looks like the cutdick brain damaged jewish internet defense force has switched to a polish flag and is using forged evidence as proof of extermination.
This book debunks all of the "evidence" that was used in the Nuremberg trial:
>Made In Russia : The Holocaust
archive.org/stream/PorterCarlosWhitlockMadeInRussiaTheHolocaust_201610#page/n7/mode/2up
video link:
>Made In Russia : The Holocaust
youtube.com/watch?v=YPKaCdJQwqA
img related is an example of how the lies changed. First there was "evidence" submitted that Germans used "bone grinding machines" to hide the evidence of the millions of burned bodies...
1/2

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>And?
So someone invented a story about 6 million Jews being gassed to death in a german plan for their extermination.
If that didnt happen, but there are laws against questioning it, movies every other month, education classes for your children, that indicates a lot of manipulation to serve purposes that probably arent aligned with yours.

Document says: 10 hours for 33-36 corpses.

Good luck with 2000 corpses.

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the problem was there was no evidence that Germans used a "bone grinding machine" so the paperwork was changed to say that bulldozers were used to crush the millions of bones from bodies that were burned.
In other words, none of this even happened.
It's all a big lie

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Yes
Holocaust documents
imgur.com/a/725A7
Revisionist myths about WWII
imgur.com/gallery/tq9IF
Goebbels' diary entries about the Holocaust
imgur.com/gallery/Wf5pw6K
Further claims trying to "expose the holohoax"
imgur.com/a/wo09c
Various denier memes debunked
hdot.org/debunking-denial/
Site dedicated to refuting deniers
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/
Popular denier memes debunked
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html
Debunking the David Cole Auschwitz video
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/06/debunking-david-coles-auschwitz-video.html
Published evidence of extermination at Auschwitz
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html
Various denial youtube videos debunked
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2018/04/debunking-youtube-denial.html
The Korherr report
holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/korherr.html
Einzatsgruppen situational reports
holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/situationreport.html

photographs of victims
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/03/photographic-documentation-of-nazi.html
Bonus: all the times Eisenhower mentioned the holocaust
eisenhower.archives.gov/research/online_documents/holocaust.html
Heres Eisenhower and Patton inspection Camp Ohrdruf
youtube.com/watch?v=BR2m5Aa8aCo
Locals brought in to witness what happened at Dachau
youtube.com/watch?v=X50vImqi3gU
Bodies of inmates left inside the railroad carts at Dachau
youtube.com/watch?v=1yQNGX8Ag4M
Liberated inmates from Camp Ebensee
youtube.com/watch?v=KCaYmP8SQn8
Footage from Mauthausen after being liberated
youtube.com/watch?v=kjj3WJFZcY0
Bergen-Belsen after being liberated
youtube.com/watch?v=2KCKagd6Ihk

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you're absolutely right, no evidence of the words "killing" or "extermination" in any of the post documents found or even the cracked ENIGMA transmissions since 1942. The irony is that in the cracked transmissions there were thousands of requests for food and medical supplies to HELP the prisoners in the labor camps, this somehow never gets mentioned by the pro-hoax nutters

Damn that bitch had some big ass titties to still be that big

Always remember that brain damaged circles use guilt as their primary weapon of choice so don't ever feel guilty when they bring up their lies.
Watch this video from 1:51 onward:
>ADL bullying Ukraine into downplaying the Holodomor as serious as the Holocaust
youtube.com/watch?v=Fg1rL_kbO_w

Why would the Germans build fully functional facilities, hospitals and dental cliniques, to care for their inmates, if they were going to kill them?

Why would they tattoo their inmates and keep track of them if they knew they were going to be dead anyways?

Wouldn't it be better for the Germans if they used these people for the war effort rather than kill them?

Why was there kids being born on the camp, and marriages taking place - if the Germans was serious about it, they would not allow this to happen, so why did they?

How could so many corpses be cremated in such a short time with a lack of substantial ovens?

Why was typhus such a big focus in documents, specifically in combating it, if they intended to kill them anyway?

Why did the shower cells lack the technical equipment of the other gas chambers used for delousing, why would they not build a proper gas chamber?

Why would they build a crematorioum and a gas chamber beside one another, when zyklon b can be explosive?

Why where there no extreme health precautions in the shower chambers in comparison to the delousing chambers?

Why were there scratch marks on concrete in the showers, when nails, calcium, cannot damage concrete in any way?

If the shower chambers were used as much as they allegedly were, they would be more blue than the gas chambers used for delousing, but why are they not?

Why would they bother with making a dual purpose camp, either a labor camp or death camp, it would be inneficient to do both, so why would the Germans design something that does not live up to their reputation and any other project of the Nazis?

Why would the commanding officer be right beside the gas chamber?

Why would the gas chamber be so small if they planned to murder that many jews?

I think I could go on

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idc, fake jews are goats, i only accept lambs.

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Typhus

Hey Jow Forums did you know you can claim holocaust reparations from goys?

dfs.ny.gov/consumers/holocaust_claims

The narrative holds up in this regard, it would be cleaner and more suitable for the German people of the streets were not littered with corpses, and having a facility where you can dispose of all the corpses safely, would make sense.

Although that's not the most peculiar thing about the holocaust imo. There are a lot of holes in the logic behind the numbers, the design and documents of it.

explain this

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Looks like a comic. Complete with neat coffins. Absolutely ridicilous.

Its too late kike, you need to demand more shekels from the Telaviv office for that low quality damage control

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Here you go now scurry away

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