Free Universal Healthcare

if we ever get single payor, private insurance companies will still manage it because they do it cheaper than the government can.

i want genuine answers, not here to meme it out, i only chose a random image for pic

For a real answer from a libertarian. I think it might be better in some ways than our current system, but by no means better than a more free market. The biggest problems being further expansion of the state and control over your life. It gives the state reason to interfere in literally every aspect of your life, from what you can eat, where you can live, to what recreational activities you can partake in. An unseen consequence would be the strangled innovation. At the moment we're basically subsidizing the rest of the world's medical innovations. This is an unseen and incalculable cost. Though it is known there is tremendous harm done by the FDA by being slow to approve new drugs. Abolishing the FDA, eliminating occupational licensing and allowing for any kind of insurance arrangements two parties agree to, would all go a very long way to bring down costs, increase innovation and general freedom of choice.

go eat yourself out bud

That doesn't explain hospitals, or physicians, or insurance companies. Any other tendentious memes you want us to try on?

>implying insurance companies don't already expand their control over your life
Back in the real world...

obviously doctors would still be paid, but how could the economy at large account for all of the BS like the non-white hordes that would drag the system down

The problem with "free" healthcare is that it isn't free. The government pays for it. So the government, being invested in your healthcare costs, then heavily taxes anything slightly dangerous to your health. Suddenly the cost of alcohol doubles, triples. Suddenly it's illegal to use charcoal in a barbecue. Suddenly driving motorcycles without a helmet is illegal and carries a massive fine
Youre paying for the healthcare of foreigners who are bringing old world diseases, so your taxes go up and your freedoms slowly and steadily shrink.
The government will start taking guns, and stop selling knives, forks and tea spoons to under 18's.
In short, you become the UK and Canada

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If they did, wouldn't they be?
Your meme is obviously and clearly counterfactual to every study that's ever been done in health care, and you really should stand for it unless you're just a drive-by kike from le_donald.

Why do you need them to?

If all you want is universal healthcare, then go commit a felony that gets you a life sentence in prison.
Boom.
All the free universal healthcare you could ever want.

Bhutan doesn’t have universal free you dumb fuck

You pay for the choices you make, as you should. Instead of being restricted from making those choices. If you want cheaper insurance, don't smoke. Not to mention the expansion of coverage requirements makes it more expensive. How expensive would car insurance be if it covered everything that could possibly go wrong with your car and covered maintenance instead of only catastrophic coverage? Insurance should not pay for every doctor's visit, prescription, or procedure.

i am confused as to what it is that you're asking, obviously doctors need to be paid, and obviously the economy has to be able to hold up another system of taxes for the newly added system

>hurr durr muh choices
How does it feel to be shilling for the class of people who keep score without adding actual value to society?
Kill yourself for being an actual leech.

>free
there you go, using words that you don't understand again. Suicide is my recommendation.

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learn english before you post, fucking retard

Yeah man, insurance doesn't add value to society, that's why people are obsessed with getting everyone to have insurance coverage. Sounds like you're against Obamacare universal mandate. Good man.

you will be waiting weeks/months simply to see a GP
if you need treatment/surgery you will be waiting for many more months/years
you will be desperate to go private but your income will have been taxed so heavily you will no longer be able to afford it
if you wonder aloud if this is such a good idea after all you will be made a pariah

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I feel you deeply

>another system of taxes
Currency issuers are never revenue-constrained. They are only constrained by what is for sale in the currency they issue.
Doctors need to be paid, but they don't need to be paid nearly as much as they are (which is declining anyway as practices consolidate into investor-owned networks and doctors become mere salaried employees or say "fuck this shit" and retire). If medical school and college in general were publicly paid for, the need to overpay doctors for their speculation wouldn't exist.

Stop shitposting.

Accounting doesn't add value to society. There is no reason for health care to be financed under an insurance model other than that a bunch of kikes want to keep score.
>people are obsessed with getting everyone to have insurance coverage
It has nothing to do with the fact that Democrats are financed in great part by the health insurance and pharma lobbies?
>Sounds like you're against Obamacare universal mandate
Well, sure. It was never anything more than a stealth bailout from the start. The government and the people would be better off saving a layer of profit-taking and simply handle the financing themselves. Being a currency issuer, there's no reason they couldn't.

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I want socialized medicine just so people will finally stop talking about it. This conversation has been going on for 30 years. Enough already. Just enough. Fucking implement a system and everyone just shut the fuck up and move on.

thanks brit, best explanation i've heard so far

Making a product "free" doesn't automatically make the product immune to scarcity.
You really want to pay for some fat cunt's 3rd coronary artery bypass surgery?

I have no interest in paying for the healthcare out of my taxes so that Tyrone, Ahmed, and Juan and their gaggle of young goblinas can go to the ER for a headache every other day

Wrong

Wrong. Anything the government can fuck up, a corporation can fuck up for profit.

As opposed to the White Southern poors flooding the system? America is for all people, loser.

Non meme answer from a libertarian here. There are really only two big ones, the first is the involvement of the state in driving down healthcare costs for themselves since suddenly they would be forced to care. This may mean restricting anything the gov things is "Harmful to society" which is really an excuse to take away freedoms. To be fair though they already do this shit so its kind of a wash in the grand scheme of things. The second is longer wait times for needed medical procedures. However as someone with preexisting conditions (my kidneys are fucked up) I would rather wait a bit than having to choose between being fucked up the ass and turned into a slave by retardedly high medical costs driven by the jews in the insurance racket "industry" or not getting dialysis and meds at all and just dying . So its kind of a net positive to have universal healthcare for anyone who isn't a fucking multimillionaire/ someone who lucked into having a job that doesn't make them pay a retarded deductible on their insurance. The main reason we don't have UHC yet is because of a mix between stupid "Muh socialism" boomers and the fucking jew faggots in the insurance/pharmaceuticals racket. Don't be fooled, it really is the asshole jews and the phama phags that are pushing against UHC.

Let's talk a bit more about your perspective. Did you ever experience the NHS before it was Thatcherized? Do you understand that starving public services of the money they need to serve their mission so that public opinion turns against them is an almost universal playbook for the neoliberal privatization scam?

You're interested in paying MORE for health care overall just to deprive others? That's pure kikery and a shitty meme.

>As opposed to the White Southern poors flooding the system?
I don't want to pay for them either

>Accounting doesn't add value to society. There is no reason for health care to be financed under an insurance model other than that a bunch of kikes want to keep score.

Okay, don't pay insurance companies and just pay out of pocket.

>>people are obsessed with getting everyone to have insurance coverage
>It has nothing to do with the fact that Democrats are financed in great part by the health insurance and pharma lobbies?

Maybe, or because they're obsessed with having daddy gubment look out for what they think is best for you.

>>Sounds like you're against Obamacare universal mandate
>Well, sure. It was never anything more than a stealth bailout from the start. The government and the people would be better off saving a layer of profit-taking and simply handle the financing themselves. Being a currency issuer, there's no reason they couldn't.

Profit is actually an incentive to improve efficiency. Yeah man, we should just increase inflation to pay for things. That's totally not just stealing from people's saving account or anything.

You are so wrong it's sad. But then again you believe in a system that time and time again fails.
It always fails.
Nothing you've said was right, save for the fact that corporations fail. Everything else you've stated is wrong.

Blah blah blah go fuck yourself moron.

>go fuck yourself moron.
With that attitude why should I care if you don't have healthcare?

>muh thatcher
how much fucking money do you think it needs?
this amount, several times what was spent in the thatcher years, gets you extremely long waiting lists and when you finally get there you'll be seeing an illiterate paki

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>I want genuine answer
Ok, free healthcare is bad because it's not free but paid by taxpayers, workers pay for neets, healthy people pay for fat fucks etc., in short, it's simple stealing

>implying

implying what?
what is the point of a social safety net if we hate each other?

>What's so bad about it?
Leeches
The U.S. is rife with leeches. Socialist policies are nice when you're leech free, but once the parasites start propagating, then ever 'free' program turns into a huge cost-burden instead of a distributed load.

Good one... really showed him.

Implying go fuck yourself too

great argument

It's almost as if you're ignoring the structural changes to the NHS of late and the increase in private service provision.
>£3000pc
Bloody hell we should be so lucky! You want our system? We pay over twice that much and we STILL get long waiting lists, AND an entire industry of dead weight built around billing and collections and second-guessing doctors.
>illiterate paki
Know how I know you're making shit up?

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why do people keep acting like price controls are the same thing as universal healthcare? how is single payer supposed to magically make things cheaper?

If there are no leaching then why to you need a government safety net
People can just help each other out by themselves
The reasons all communists are such terrible people like is they know they have nobody to turn to

>want to give rights to workers
>need a oppressive dictatorship to work
???

By removing an entire industry with incentive to keep prices high.

>We pay over twice that much
The mandate is gone
You don't have to pay anything

nobody is going to give your shit ideology another chance nigger, you fucked it up like 30 times

>not understanding communist theory proves you're smarter than communists
will conservatives ever stop being retarded?

ceding power to companies / other individuals isn't all that great either

The dictatorship of the proletariat is a necessary step on the way to global peace.

Yeah we do because half of that spending is government spending. That's what they don't tell you because Communists are lying faggots.

>ceding power to companies
what power am I ceding to them?

Pleb question

just outlaw insurance and wait one year. prices will become normal or doctors will flip burgers admin parasites will be giving blowjobs. hospital charges you 10 bucks for 2 aspirin walmart sells you 50 or a hundred for a dollar.

>What's so bad about it? I've been out of the loop on free healthcare so I need a few pills on it, thanks
you'll redistribute money from middle-class to rich corporations to pay for (((Mental Health))) and drug treatments for the poorest members of society so they can out reproduce the high IQ people. Basically welfare on steroids.

the government took over studen loans and look how that turned out

They need to just write that money off as loss and move on. The nation would prosper immediately.

>They need to just write that money off as loss and move on
they should make the universities cosign for the loans

>free
>universal

Neither of those two things will be true. The solution is to get the government out of healthcare entirely. No more Medicare. No more Medicaid. No more AMA. No more government-protected pharma monopolies.

That's certainly one viable option going forward. Another is free tuition and with that, student loan forgiveness.

Yes, the nation will eat a fat loss, but that loss will be lesser than the loss of continuing the current path.

Wow! Free healthcare in almost all of South America! The people there must really have great lives!

>. Another is free tuition and with that, student loan forgiveness.
Why should I have to pay for you to go to college?

Sauce or gtfo.

Literal death panels.

Stop larping you neoliberal crippledicked kike.

Any more tendentious neoliberal /ptg/ kikery you want to shit out?

Why should I pay for your military?

They don't have to worry about health care bankruptcies. Why do you get off on fear so much?

>Literal death panels.
I don't have to buy their insurance
>Stop larping you neoliberal crippledicked kike.
I am not a neoliberal
What do you have against universities cosigning for the loans?

I never said you should

i don't think it's that easy.
for instance, you could wipe out a worker's pension fund because part of their portfolio was tied to packaged student-loan asset securities (bundled student loans sold on the market). I'd imagine a lot of funds had these in their portfolio as a low-risk asset to hedge with since they were non-defaultable; meaning that if you wrote off student debt, it would systemically fuck up the market.

It would have to be some sort of buyback program that was implemented overtime to allow the market to readjust their assets to phase out this type of asset.

ITT: kikes whose cushy middle-management careers are unnecessary bean-counting and therefore liable to be chopped under single-payer

if we did this for all STEM majors we'd have thousands of people who can invest their skills and time into new businesses rather than slaving away for a decade to pay off debt

Why are you so obsessed over bean-counting and score-keeping? Shouldn't you kill yourself for being this sociopathic?

>12 posts by this ID
what are you trying to slide?

healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-u-s-increased-public-private-sector-spending-faster-rate-similar-countries

Super easy to find and not a controversial thing at all. The fact you don't know this really brings into question your knowledge about the US healthcare situation. Almost like you have no clue what you're talking about.

Yet I do. There's no reason not to pay for education of the population, as that creates more skilled labor and scientists.

Nah the government could literally just forgive the debt. It is that simple.

Do it for ALL majors and all of civilization advances.

Why should I subsidize someone starting a business?

>budget more than tripled since the Thatcher era
>oh it's just structural changes
>btw you should be spending twice as much
i can only hope you end your life in a state-run hospital with nurses leroy and shaniqua in charge of emptying your catheter

>Shouldn't you kill yourself for being this sociopathic?
Why should I care about you?
I don't know you.
>There's no reason not to pay for education of the population
Its not my problem

Uneducated masses sure as shit are your problem. You do not exist in a void.

>Nah the government could literally just forgive the debt. It is that simple.
>$1.5 trillion wiped away from the balance sheets
I'm glad communists aren't in charge of the economy

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Education doesnt really work. People spend lots of money and waste 4 years when most jobs would be better off learned on the job or through apprenticeships. I’m in the top 10%, work in IT, and picked it up when I started working. I spent 6 years studying politics and business and have a bs and MS, but learned nothing and will never use anything I was supposed to have “learned”

>Uneducated masses sure as shit are your problem
No they are not
Also anyone can educate themselves if they want

And yet, it would literally be that easy. That money isn't tied to anything at all. 1.5 in imaginary debt to ourselves, creating real problems.

Wrong and stupid

unfortunately the communists already are. the funny thing is they're going to make it really obvious with their demands in the next election cycle and ruin the best thing they've ever had: fiat money

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Sure does sound like a delusional fuckwit on the backpedal.

Uneducated masses are only a problem in democracy where we let anyone vote. If we had a poll tax or went back to saying only white male landowners could vote the problem would vanish

Poor people, niggers, and spics will also receive it, so it being terribly is pretty blatantly obvious.

You still have not said how they are my problem or why they cant educate themselves

You seem confused and backwards. Educate yourself.

You're not important. Things don't have to be your problem to matter. Kill yourself.