The truth or false incel fantasy?

Do attractive people have better rates of success in getting dates? Yes. That's not some sort of black box of hidden wisdom, it's just obvious.

Pretty sure lots of guys have tried, but girls are only attracted to the popular guy and ignore nice guys like us.

Think of how the incel fantasy fits like a glove into the head of someone insecure that wants to blame people for his faults.
It even goes one step further and makes a plausible story that refills every insecurity you have to keep you in.

If anything they believed was true, I would have zero chance to be where i'm now in life. I feel some people here can say the same.

Not really, their experiences are most likely confirmed by the way other people have treated them in real life. Kill yourself, tripfaggot.

>getting advice from an incel
Would you take workout advice from a fat obese mother fucker?

But it's true that women approach attractive men or you're saying it's wrong? I've seen it plenty of times.

Doesn't mean their interpretation is the absolute truth.

I basically fit in every description of someone that would never have a gf, and I even thought like an incel sometimes in the past.
Now that I got over it and have been with my gf for 3 years I can see clearly where I was wrong. Hope I can make people be happier also.

He's not a tripfag, he's a namefag.
A girl that will break the rules, Peanut Butter, and literally Hitler are examples of tripfags

I completely disagree with OP's message.
Yes, women may approach men they find very attractive.
But that's irrelevant. The vast majority of relationships is of men approaching women.

>He's not a tripfag, he's a namefag
Yeah, at least namefags are honest enough to realize they're too annoying and unimportant for anyone to impersonate.

I actually do this so it's easier for people that don't want to hear me to ignore me by filtering.

I'm not so egocentric as to think everybody will want to hear me at all times, so by all means.

What should my name be if I wanted to be an annoying faggot like you? Is "Dabking" a good one or "Dabdaddy"?

I thought that was common sense? i'm far from the cancerous incel mentality but it's true, i've gone out with male models and it's baffling how thirsty some women can get

There are always shallow people, or even oportunistic.
The incel mentality fails thinking that makes up eeeeeeevery single person in the world. It really is a self destructive mentality.

There were at least three Hitlers here, though
Dabdaddy

that doesn't disprove OP's point

OP's point is that people ignore us.
But that can be for so many reasons it's really naive to point fingers only outwards.
Focusing on the external problems, for argument's sake, it's actually good those people don't pay attention to you, because
> They are actually really shallow people and would make for one hell of a relationship
> They aren't as shallow, it's just that tastes didn't match or you haven't even show yours to them on a normal manner

So you either have to improve on yourself or ignore toxic people because that's th healthhiest decision you can make for yourself.

Did the three of them do anything wrong?

kek

There is nothing to refute, as he did not present an argument.

The guy presupposed that no effort has been spent towards anything.

What about if you spent every opportunity and energy into this endevour, followed every advice out there for bettering yourself, and still no luck, you are exactly at square 0?

No one here ever addressees that.

I also think this is where the frustration of tfw no gf comes from, people see that other people spent the same, or even less effort and get to live bountiful lives, while they get nothing.

>I also think this is where the frustration of tfw no gf comes from, people see that other people spent the same, or even less effort and get to live bountiful lives, while they get nothing.
Fuck this is tfw comes from to be honest. I had no kinda validation for learning and doing any of the achievements I have done. Yet I know fuckers that get A's in Itialian class because they were a nigger in new york and showing up was enough and others who got their dicks sucked for not burning fucking eggs.

Life is pain.

In essence, the only thing you need to take away from Incels are that they are a combination of two factors:
1. The prevalence of digital technology allows men that struggle in social situations to retreat back into familiar territory, and thus never grow out of that phase.

When I was young, I was very shy. Played a lot of computer games, read a lot of books. I was team captain of two highschool sports teams, and in all AP courses but I was still just sort of a weird introverted kid. Since I didn't have a smart phone though, all my time at school was spent face-to-face talking to girls and guys, and I eventually learned how to be socially agreeable. Now that kids can take AIM with them wherever they are, they use that for their primary method of communication ALL THE TIME and never actually learn how to become sociable. This gets them in trouble because:

2. Incels have an external locus of control.

You can look up internal vs external, but the main different is:
Internal Locus of Control: When something in my environment isn't the way I want it to be, it is because of something I did/didn't do, and it's within my power to change that.
External Locus of Control: When something in my environment isn't the way I want it to be, it is because of outside forces I cannot control. I am a victim subject to the will of the universe and my struggles are not my fault.

You are using facts, but interpreting them incorrectly.

So (supposedly) you were an introvert, and now you aren't. Guess what, some people forever will be introverts, even the ones that grew up and developed before smart phones, before internet, before screens etc.

Your experience isn't a barometer for anything, and just because people stay introverted doesn't mean they fucked up something in life or while growing up.

As regards to the second part, focusing yourself on thinking you have one or the other locus of control is detrimental to being well adjusted. Realistically there are some things which are in your control, and some which aren't.

Generalizing "incels" to have external locus is lazy on your part. Most of them when they are at the point to come and complain on the Net about it, have already tried all possible avenues (internal locus of control), and that's why the logically conclude that there are factors beyond their control which hamper their ambition relative to others.

It's not rocker science for fucks sake, stop being brainlets and get you heads out of your assholes.

Ngl Ntayrt but your misunderstanding of internal Vs external locus of control days a lot about your victim complex. There are literal amputees and paralysed people who don't blame the world for their problems, but incels have explored all avenues? Top kek

I wonder if I'd have turned different if one girl had approached me like that. That must be a big confidence boost.

Sure, but the average person (to which incels compare themselves) does blame some of their problems on the world. Those amputees as well will have something like this as well.

Also I hate people that give that example, do you you know how small of a percentage those types of victims are? Its an example that works in favour of incels, since the vast majority get crushed outright or develop some negative traits because of it.

And if someone can understand how being in an accident can negatively impact someones life, and don't see how they don't get how prolonged loneliness and solitude can have a similar effect too. They sound like privileged retards that have never experienced it, otherwise they would know that the feeling is so bad that people do ANYTHING to improve, which is the opposite of what they think.

Read a fucking book like, like for example what happens to people in solitary confinement.

Jesus Christ you don't realise this whole comment has completely contradicted your concept that incels follow an internalised locus because you clearly cannot imagine anyone else doing it either. The fact you've just dismissed me as too privileged to understand puts that final nail in the coffin; you'd rather assume the other person doesn't empathise because otherwise that might mean that you have to reconsider your world view. Enjoy your victim complex bro, it makes my life easier in the end anyway

No my man, stop projecting.

I said IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE...

And I have never seen someone being sympathetic to incels or just people asking how to get gf on here, ever, let alone giving adequate advice.

Hiding behind "it looks like" as if you're not trying to directly imply things just makes you look intellectually dishonest
>never seen someone being sympathetic
Empathy =\= sympathy, ESL.

I know Sherlock, that's why I said sympathetic, because people can't even do THAT, which would be easier, let alone actually being empathetic.

Dude, you speak about me being intellectually dishonest, but you conduct yourself like an absolute troglodyte, even putting words into my mouth at this point:
>contradicted your concept that incels follow an internalised locus

My whole point was that viewing things from that angle is counterproductive to finding the truth and giving good advice/achieving your goal.

>you clearly cannot imagine anyone else doing it either
That's what you are doing

While it's false for most, some are truly fucked.

>the girl one is a polyamorous women who says monogamy is poisonous and polyamory is the true human nature
>one of the two others is self confessed abuser, literally bragging about how he used to hit his girlfriend.

So either they are lying or stupid

why are you lying on the Internet?

>everyone puts in effort
>less people having sex than in the past
lel
It is always adressed. The problems young men face attracting spouses is simply solved by a really common counter argument
have sex

Exactly because people put in less effort than before. Blame vidya and social media.

im surprised by this general defeatist soft attitude of young men
when i was young i got angry women didnt want me, some sorta sadness settled in after a rejection

but it never occured to me this is somehow a reason to give up
you ppl dont want them or what
yes my life was full of rejection for a long time with only occasional success

There is some truth to what OP says. But if you want to get married you only need it to not be true 1 time.

Like it or not but most women are cowards and want you to persue them. And women date and Mary ugly dudes all the time. Just crowd watch at a mall or airport.

The problem with incels is that they've been told they van have the world by everything and everyone. All their cartoons and movies told them you just date hot girls. Hero always have hot gfs. They try this and get shut down, over and over. They never think to lower their standards.

Maybe they do have a busted face and all the lifting will do. Nothing for it.

But they wont lower their standards. Because they Jack off to 10/10 cam girls and models and Han Sole marries a princess.

Seriously, put the porn down. Put the movies down. Stop jacking off. Just leave your house and watch people. Maybe put on some ear buds at the mall. Listen to music and just watch couples. You'll see plenty of ugly men with women.

so without vidya everyone would be a normal human being able to have sex with a bunch of women?
honestly doubt that
it's our entire civilization that makes it like this
also if people put in less effort, there's a reason for that
those incels who aren't putting in the effort apparently also have a reason for not doing so
i guess sex just isn't worth it anymore, or they simply don't want to have sex, that's why they're not putting in the effort. Honestly either incels are actually volcels or incels are complaining without fixing anything

why want a kind of person who does not want or care for you?
My life isn't full of rejection, actually it's all been going pretty okay, had some girls here and there. No actual relationships. And I honestly understand why you'd give up women. If you're out the loop where girls congregate, suddenly it's impossible to find a female, add to that the massive social differences happening between females and males and most of those incels actually don't want women anymore
it's not at all strange
it's kinda expected desu

Are you saying incels should jack off to ugly girls?
Also I'm pretty sure women aren't lowering their standards and no golddiggers digging around ugly old boomers is not the same as lowering your standards, she's trading her beauty for his money.
Girls don't drop their standards, neither do guys. So this isn't just something you can blame men for, if both partie do it.

Everyone is able to have sex. People just bother less than before.

No. Just no jacking off to fantasy 10s in porn and films. Either Jack off less or Jack off to memories of real women in your life.

Your standards will match what you see.

I get approached but it never goes anywhere (not that I want it to, im happier by myself than with some dumb girl) because I end it quickly. Girls can be so annoying and desperate

It's validating but also annoying when it's a girl you're not into. I've had a pretty attractive one make it blindly obvious when I was waiting for an uber but wasn't into her, and the fact I had to skip pregaming and they were drunk didn't help. Then had a course friend really into me but, again, I don't feel right about it when she's shitfaced and I'm mostly sober. It's a healthy thing for your ego now and again but not the be all and end all.

This shit is like ... oh man life is hard because everything isn't going to be handed to me on a plate I can't deal with having to try or make effort because my confidence and self esteem is so low that I'm going to manufacture a philosophy of life that allows me to defer blame upon others.

Like you have to take chances. You have to take risks. You have to put in effort and get worn down and tired and keep fucking going the whole fucking time because that is what men do. In return you'll get back less than you've put in and you'll be expected to be fine with this because that is what men do. Other people have it easier? Other people have things which are denied to you? Can you change this? No? Then deal with it. Suck it up. Don't complain or bitch about it either because that is what men do. See reality, confront reality, modify it to the best of our ability, bend it to our will or die trying. Everything else is a distraction.

The real problem if there is such a problem is that men have decided that it is just too much effort for too little reward so why bother. Why bother? Because the alternative is nothing. Reject philosophies which weaken and enfeeble you. If anything this shit plays into the hands of a safer world, population control for the majority, a more neutered compliant general population, being fine with less and less, a more feminine and female-centric society.

By your own admission men are expected to put in more than they receive.

Perhaps they do us all a favor by abstaining from a system that unfairly treats people.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out something is unfair. Do you also tell women to suck it up when they complain about injustice?

Yes, attractive people are... attractive. However you're placing too much importance on women and romantic/sexual relationships. There's nothing wrong with them and they are fun but the value you ascribe to them is highly subjective and mostly dependent on culture and your past experiences in life which have conditioned you in a particular way. Yes if you are good looking you don't have to worry about girls, the value you ascribe is your own.

Yup. Complain once or twice. Identify the issues at hand. Discuss solutions. But if you don't move past the complaining part then you don't get anywhere, there is no value and you lose ... not even sympathy, because I've empathy for these people, but my time and certainly my interest lessens and eventually stops completely.

Women 'highlighting' injustice? Take direct action. Escalate. After a while you've got to be pragmatic. I accept injustice exists. Gender roles and societal expectation are problematic. They have the ability define and control men and women and restrict our freedom to do what we want to do, but they aren't inherently bad or irredeemable as a concept.

You also get a lot further appealing to positives. Highlighting the awful aspects of the world serves a purpose to some extent. But it ultimately not as effective as focusing on the positive aspects of gender, relationships, reproduction, society and the meaning of everything.

I don't think that gender defines your role in society. But women bear children where as men do not. Men have physical attributes which make them more successful in certain roles that women. Be respectful of all contributions.

Men are expected to get back less than they put in. I believe that a positive attribute of masculinity is to shelter, protect, provide and feel good about doing so. Defining it entirely as a value based exchange misses the point of celebrating contribution.

The uglier you are the harder you have to work for sex. Its basically true. Doesn't mean you can't get a gf, you just have bow down to woman and humiliate yourself for them as they judge you against 100s of other men.

>incel fantasy
This, just be mildly interesting or fun to talk to. Chicks don't give a shit what you look like for the most part, just groom yourself and be fun and interesting.

>you just have bow down to woman and humiliate yourself for them
Literally the opposite. Never show weakness, never acknowledge the fact that you are not prettiest guy.

>Chicks don't give a shit what you look like for the most part, just groom yourself and be fun and interesting.

either purposefully lying or delusional

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Says the incel who has not spoken to a woman other than his mom in years

Hey man, Bill Burr told me that looks don't matter and look at the knockout he ended up with

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Half-true, girls pretty much pick you but looks are only part of what they pick based on. Women mainly just want a guy who understands his role and theirs. A lot of autists these days think you're supposed to treat women like men, being 100% honest and criticizing or neglecting them when you feel like it. Women want you to be their rock, be strong when they are weak and need support, turn off your feelings so you can help them with theirs when it matters, make them feel beautiful. That's really it, just try not to be a pussy or an entitled cunt and you'll learn the rest quickly enough.

The obvious lesson that experienced boomers, life coaches, professors, and anyone with a lick of sense have been desperately trying to teach everyone is that luck is the main factor in life but you have to build yourself up so you are able to take advantage of luck when it comes along. If you meet someone in a high corporate position who wants to fill a lucrative job opening but you're a useless drunk it's not going to help you, similarly if you end up in a class with a girl who for some reason has a thing for guys who look or talk like you do but you still act like a childish cunt around her it's not going to get you anywhere.

You don't succeed by going around bothering everyone or otherwise putting in a huge amount of useless effort into things you haven't thought through, you also don't succeed by sitting on your ass and never doing anything.

literally evolution
beautlets btfo
all shots not taken can never land on the target, not trying will never be superior to trying

You still haven't addressed:
>What about if you spent every opportunity and energy into this endevour, followed every advice out there for bettering yourself, and still no luck, you are exactly at square 0?

You still just presuppose that there is no way in Hell any effort towards betterment was spent.

OK, don't believe that, but for the sake of argument, what if a person has truly built himself farther than the average person does in a hundred years, grasped every opportunity, and still he is a "loser", what then?

Good looks are nothing unless you're at least 6 foot tall.
t. six foot tall

If you are taller than 6 feet you do not have good looks.

Maybe putting so much emphasis on women isn't a good thing. Also there is no guaranteed way to get a girl. Stop watching and reading puas and others try and generalize all women and men talking about Hunter gatherer mindsets and shit.

We were saying two totally different things, I'm not against you. It sucks that you have a tough spot that doesn't improve easily with work but unless you want to just give up then you're going to have to keep working at it, and focus on working smarter rather than harder. Here's something to steer you in the right direction:

Take some time and pursue your own interests (even if they're gay shit like vidya or anime) and focus on just living well, don't worry about girls, just try to become reasonably happy and comfy on your own so you'll be less of a needy pain in the ass. After you feel refreshed and a bit more grounded start trying to build yourself up, get some exercise, get some clothes or a haircut you at least personally like the look and feel of (don't looksmax or follow whatever gay Jow Forums meme people suggest, just do what makes you feel confident). If you're an actual NEET you need to change that but otherwise just keep at it. Then just try to be more casual and social when dealing with people, hangout with people whenever there's a chance, say yes to any invitations, invite people to things, be nice to girls who seem to want to be around you.

The rest relies even more on context and subtleties and you'll learn it as you go along, just pay attention and try to figure things out. It's a tough racket but if you use your head it's very much possible for an ugly fuck up to get laid.

No, there are three different tripfags that have the name Hitler
One of them is a regular, the other two were impostors
Hitler hasn't posted in a while though

What does it mean by "over" if you have to approach girls?

>Singling your failures down to one simple variable in a massive complex multivariable game.

That's what happens when you spend all your time on the internet complaining about women instead of having a social life and meeting people and learning to be likeable.

This advice pretty much applies to anything, life is a massive multivariable game where everything comes with pros, cons, exceptions, and caveats. Just try to pay attention and not make catastrophic mistakes, that's all that really matters.

>Women want you to be their rock, be strong when they are weak and need support, turn off your feelings so you can help them with theirs when it matters, make them feel beautiful. That's really it, just try not to be a pussy or an entitled cunt and you'll learn the rest quickly enough.

This is sad though. Woman feel like their vagina is a fair trade for everything they want in return.

If that's how you see it then don't make the trade, retard.

This also happened to me. It opened my eyes. Next time I'll ask every girl I like

I don't have anything against what you said, except this bit:

>Then just try to be more casual and social when dealing with people, hangout with people whenever there's a chance, say yes to any invitations, invite people to things, be nice to girls who seem to want to be around you.
The whole problem is that people don't address how to do that. Yes, its obvious you should do it,,, but HOW do you create opportunities for new social relationships?

Most people really only have work as the sole potential source (especially if they don't live in a big city), if its a dry well there, its not like you have a lot of time left from working out and other betterment efforts to spent on crazy ideas for socialization that you don't know if they will pay of. What ideas really are beyond that are worth the time, especially for someone without friends or established social groups?

I think this is the wall that many people face, they were taking it "easy" and focusing on education, courses/lessons/exercise and hobbies in Uni, and after they graduate their life turns into wageslaving, and some extremely small amount of free time, which if they are following advice, they probably fully fill with working out and better diet (I mean even if they somehow manage to find some friends, I don't think these people would have the time and energy for frequent meet-ups lol, unless they drop everything else [the betterment part]).

Doing something meaningful beyond that is never given concrete shape, its all murky like your reply (as good as it is in a general sense).

It's not very true but incels still deserve some help or sympathy at least. People violently reject any of the ideas that incels espouse because to accept any part of them would challenge their worldview. Most people believe in some vague sort of karma where incels are where they are because they're bad people, and if they're bad people it becomes a moral responsibility to shit on them (and feel better about yourself in the process).

I know that because no girl has ever showed as little as an ounce of interest for me. Interest that could somehow be interpreted as a romantic, that is.

It seems like a lot of people have no understanding of how mating typically works in nature. Its inevitable that a lot guys are left out since the females of most species tend to be picky and crowd around the most dominant males, leaving lesser men shit out of luck. Humans aren't much different, there aren't enough woman to go around because a lot of woman are going after the most attractive guys in their area, while the leftover men become paypigs and incels.

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WHY are people attracted to this woman?
Christ.

I gave my number to some girl who works security that i met in a walmart, she's a thin stoner.

it's basically all luck desu

There isn't a great universal answer to that, you have to pay attention to your own situation and location and take advantage of chances when you have them.

Does that mean that, going on a bit from earlier, that in that case its not those people\s faults?

Shut up, being nice isn’t a virtue. No girl is attracted to some “nice” dude that is needy and does superficial favors to get laid.

Women want a man that is on his own path and comfortable with himself. The old phrase of “Just be yourself” works because if you stop giving into your insecurities and let go you will be way less nervous around women.

Again, stop being fucking nice, and focus on being GOOD, especially to yourself

Why do incels spew this brainlet crap? Literally everything you said is wrong. You based your entire incel rant on there being 5 times more men than women.

Sure you're nice, in fact you're so nice you spend all day on the internet raging about how you want to rape and murder women.

True.

You are right. Girls want to be with an human being, not a fake minion.

Cringe bs.

Still baffles me. With his money, I would just fuck high-class hookers for the rest of my life, instead he decides to go for some nigress, an ugly one at that.
Same goes for Joe Rogan who's actually pretty decent-looking, yet married a coalburner and helped raise a mixed child.
Women truly have it on ultra easy-mode with no consequences because of faggots like them.

Imagine how dumb one must be to have this line of incel thinking.

Its not incel.

>Women have life on easymode
This is 100% incel.

Not sexually.

Only incels say something that dumb

You are really deranged.