Truer words never spoken, right? So tell me again why you retards want to force this broken...

When there is a government that help an industrialist there isn't capitalism, this is corporatism, nontheless there are a little competition, but this competition is absent where the state work with the other industrialist. When you buy something is with your consent, when you pay taxes is for a services that you probably don't use like the help to the politician's factory. Like Monsanto in America, a "private" corporation that want the money of people by taxes. This isn't capitalism, capitalism is now in Hong Kong, in the Usa in the XVIII/XIX century, in Netherland and in Ireland there is a low form of capitalism, but if you see Netherland is one of the most important and one of the most developed country in the world.

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Trumps goal is to unniggerize everything Obanana did

Another close example would be diamonds.

>no true capitalism
so similar to commies arguments.

Communism is so good that it's mandatory

>We already are here
Hahahahahaha WHAT?
If you live in the west, you literally have life on easy mode. If you're poor and forced to wageslave in these conditions, you are beyond helping and would probably just fucking die under any other system. It's never getting any better than this.

I'm sorry, i read your original post as
>Literally no difference between late stage capitalism and communism

not as
>A socialist program can be implemented in a democracy as part of the election result, to much opposition

So, i'll ask again, do you have an example of a country that you consider "late stage capitalism" that you see as comparable to any country that you consider "late stage communism"?

Anticipating further confusion, here are some of the main differences on my mind, that i can name numerous examples of countries exhibiting:

1) Lack of food and consumer goods
2) Mass murders by the state
3) Impossibility of political representation

I don't say that capitalism never exists (i give you the prove that capitalism exist with Hong Kong ect..), i say that when a state want your money to give that money for a politician's factory this isn't capitalism. This is corporatism, do you understand? Capitalism say if you want something and than someone sell you something, corporativism want your money to give that money to the friends of politician.

The difference between the US second amendment and that Marx quote is that the second amendment was actually listened to

yeah sadly its useless, i dont see mutts using it to overthrow their tyrannical government

More problem is that capitalism, if its unrestrained by either nationalism or some other transcendent ideology (christianity, islam, whatever), it will lead to mass migration, outsourcing of jobs and general decline in living standards as the commons become abused. And that stems from capitalist view of individual as just a replacable cog in a machine. If you can get a cheaper cog to turn in your Bootstrap empire from mehiko, you will do it since you are only judged by your profits.
The capitalist outcome of always reducing everything to the lowest common denominator means it always devolves into corporatism. Its not immune from the creative destruction it sows in its early days.

Why do people that don't know the difference between capitalism, corporatism, mercantilism and communism speak about economy?

Nice meme image. Isnt it a crime not to feed your kids their bikkies in USA if a doctor prescribes it? How to enslave families to drugs for $10

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>The capitalist outcome of always reducing everything to the lowest common denominator means it always devolves into corporatism.
Tell me how.

Man some people (like OP) simply cant handle Jow Forums

>Muh ebil government

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>impossibility of political representation.
Google, paypal and mastercard have censored dissident thoughts from their services, with the latest one being a black proudboy who had his bank account revoked since he was part of an "EXTREMIST WHITE NATIONALIST" group. You cant have representation when the modern public square, as well as majority of mass media are owned by ideology that surpresses all non-sanctioned views.
>Mass murders by the state
Chinese companies expansion into africa at the moment, Coca Cola and Chiquita death squads in latin america. But since its done by a private company its okay.
>Lack of food and consumer goods
The canadian "market" is a perfect example of an exploitative capitalist environment, where the same producer sells their meat cheaper to america than in local markets, since they hold monopoly in home turf. Another great example of capitalistic retardation is the nestle fresh water deal, where canadians allow their fresh water reservoirs to be pumped to america for practically free, while nestle just puts a dollar per gallon on top of the price and sells it downward.

America itself is a perfect example. A nation founded on "free white men of good character", devolving due to capitalist pressures into the modern day "Give me your wretched refuse". All in the name of capitalism, that needed more workers, more consumers, more debt, it has become the lest it can ever be: A gigantic, multicultural shopping mall.

**Correction: When Capitalists can't sell you something, they hire lobbyists to eliminate the competition so you'll buy it.

(I.E. create a law to force you to buy it)

You burgers are really clueless. Socialism and communism isn't driven by profits, so it doesn't need to sell anything you. In contrary, in socialism they try to sell as fewer as possible to a consumer, in order to free resources for something else. It's against consumerism by it's nature. It's deficit-driven economy, where producer doesn't try to sell anything to consumer, it's consumer who actively looks for something to buy. There's literaly no one interested in selling.

But what's especially cringe is that autistic fixation on laws in western culture as if they meant something.

so youre telling me my choice is either space exploration or new iphone wrapped in a bacon doughnut... tough choice

No, you just have no choice.

>Google, paypal and mastercard have censored dissident thoughts from their services

So they did. The difference between "some censoring" and "impossibility of political representation" are the same as difference between "nothing is perfect" and "everything is equally shit"

>But since its done by a private company its okay.

Yes, since it's done ELSEWHERE, by a private company, it's okay. Not to mention the fucking scale, which, some would argue, is even more damning. I was talking about mass murder of their own citizens, you know, the ones state, supposedly, represents.

>The canadian "market" is a perfect example of an exploitative capitalist environment

It is, compare it to Venezuela's "market", there is a huge difference in "somebody is making extra profit" vs "you can't procure certain, sometimes required for survival, goods."

As tragic as it is that "capitalist" countries are usually universal-voting and as such allow some socialist scum to fester, and periodically shit the bed for everyone, it is not the "inmates running the asylum", that is enlightened communist rule. Hence the world of difference.

well thats a given

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>The difference between "some censoring" and "impossibility of political representation" are the same as difference between "nothing is perfect" and "everything is equally shit"
Same argument was used by soviets. When they removed political activists, they never charged them with "having a wrong opinion", but with whatever tiny, pointless crime they can stick to them. From littering if they were spreading anti-com propaganda leaflets, to harrasing youths. And Tankies will to this day claim that since nobody was imprisoned "directly" for their ideas, that means there was no political repression in soviet union.

Same goes for west. Just because Julian Assange was not charged with being a dissident, but instead on some nebulous charge of "conspiracy to hack", that does not mean it wasnt done to repress an anti-system journalist.

Freedom of speech does not exist to talk about the weather, nor to spread filth and pornography on television. It exists to discuss all ideas, and if you already have non-elected businesses randomly censoring their content, its not free speech.

Anyway endless consumerism will hit a wall eventually. In a sense it already has hit it, but teh wall is rubber enough. In the recent years they openly had to resort to printing paper money and defend this as a normal economic policy - just because they need someone to buy the barely useful stuff they produce. In the 80th they got from their problems via developing new markets in the east, bu tnow they have no new markets, except China which has its own producers in abundance. So they will have to resort to restrictions and production quotes to producers, I have no doubt in this.

>As tragic as it is that "capitalist" countries are usually universal-voting and as such allow some socialist scum to fester, and periodically shit the bed for everyone, it is not the "inmates running the asylum", that is enlightened communist rule.
More people died last year to opiate overdoses in america than did in the total vietnam war. And flooding of the american flyovers with it is a direct consequence of american pharmasy companies pushing them on poor rural whites. Say what you will about a communist system and their use of alcohol to dull the masses, there was nothing in comparison to the modern day East Indian Company that is hooking americans themselves into opiate addiction.

And everyone who raises a stink about it, will get the first response as "The free market will solve this".

Shouldn't the lower panel be dems rather than socialists. That's why we have low flow toilets, water conservation faucets/shower heads, and cfl's.

>Same argument was used by soviets
It was, problem is it was, as most things claimed by the soviets, bullshit. It matters whether claims are entirely false or somewhat false, simple as that.

>that means there was no political repression in soviet union
Also objective lack of elections, also objective lack of independent judicial system, also taking no obligation to persecute former administration or admit to their crimes. But, yeah, mirror image, can't tell the difference.

Assange did intentionally cause deaths of individuals affiliated with US government in war zones. In SU he would be shot, after a circus-court, that would not be televised, and details of which would not be released, in US he will stand an open trial an will get Say what you will about a communist system and their use of alcohol
I didn't though, as morally ambiguous as their decision to dull nation with alcohol was (which is similar to how opiate thing is), i meant their decision to use lead, applied to the back of the head, to do some of the more active dulling, The US did not do that.

Nobody is force feeding anybody opiates, nor alcohol, an argument could be made that the difference between current consumption levels and "desired" ones could be interpreted as "pushing", but it is individual choice of a citizen in the end. The world of difference between "morally suboptimal" and "murder".

Free market will solve this, granted some of the addicted people will die, difference, again, being that to get addicted and die one would have to make thousands of little choices everyday. There is no choosing when commissar barges into your home.

And that is the difference.

1)That don't explains why capitalism devolves into corporativism
2)More workers, more consumers: this is why you can eat chocolate (for example), without workers there aren't goods without consumers there isn't work. More workers less work and you can use the assembly line.
3)More debt... THAT'S WHAT WRONG WITH YOU (it isn't an insult), debt is make from state, when you can't pay the services and when you can't pay your friend corporation than you go with the debt, all the state that have a real capitalistic system haven't debt, the Usa in the XX century hadn't a big debt. All the socialists state have a big government that nobody can pay and than they pay with the debt, all the most socialists country have the biggest debt.