Pagans of the world unite in this wonderful time of spring. Let plato's cave symbolize the long winter the world is now exiting from, let us also exit from foreign religions and atheism. Let us discuss all things paganism, be it political, metaphysical, spiritual, philosophical or mythological etc.
And for all the non-pagans that refuse to come home, wtf is your problem? The old Gods are cringing at you right now.
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Paganism is based but it has been overrun by betas and larpers who spread nigger and homosexual love. A few asatru circles are redpilled. So I think we need to redpill the druids.
>A real Asatru graveyard in Iceland
Definitely more than a larp.
Plato believed that the Greek paganism* was degenerate and he wanted to ban Homer and the myths in general. He proposed to modify the myths and make them less degenerate for his ultra special state.
*I can only imagine what he would have thought about nordic tree and rock ouga booga religious worships
I’m not saying paganism is a lark I’m saying that there are too many larpers who delegitimize it.
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>Plato believed
So what?
I know, I started looking into Asatru because you mentioned it.
Hello, were you in the thread that just got deleted?
Yep
May I just wish you all many healthy white babies in the next year.
Get to work :)
lel did you just copy my thread?
anyway, have the Jow Forums hierarchy been infiltrated by (((Christians)))?
You put him in the OP. Greek paganism is too sophisticated for the modern neopagan movement.
Plotinus is a pretty hard read, I agree.
But it can be done.
What does too sophisticated even mean?
You need to spice it up with politics so it can be relevant.
Like how its better that state religion is something that is traditional than something imported. There we go, now the thread is political :)
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if you abuse creation enough (through ignorance or worse) you will probably seek an end as the full weight of nature starts crushing you from your having distorted its fabric (you should live in accordance with nature instead). For example, something is clearly wrong with this man from having abused sex and the body with the porn industry.
Yes, I didn't want this discussion to die. Had you deleted the last thread yourself?
Yeah I always include politics in the OP to make sure it doesn't get deleted. Didn't work in the last thread though, guess I didn't make it enough politics relevant.
No I didn't delete it. ;^(
Fair.
Meanwhile there are 6 million threads up about tweets by literal whos.
your closet-atheist meme religion was made up by Christian monks
Yeah and 50 daily cuckposting threads, 50 daily jezebel threads, 50 daily yellow fever threads etc etc
Has anyone read pic related?
But Paganism existed long before Christianity kek
before Judaism and much much before the concept of christian monasticim, Norway bro you should know this.
>a talking snek
>the man and woman eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil
>kicked out to keep them away from the Tree of Eternal Life
>literally a flaming sword spinning around
The creation story in the Bible is so obviously from an older pagan source.
Im blessed to live in a Country where I can live it, talk to old people in the villages who practiced it for generations and lived it I dont really need to read someones new take on it, it newer died in Croatia. We even have several books that are mandatory reading for kids in school that are very much old pagan folk myths. Its just all disguised in Christianity but its like more than 90% pagan practices.
You know who made the Vatican do first mass in non latin language? Croats, first mass ever not in latin was in archaic slavic language.
Awesome, can you share any particular traditions that are obviously native European?
I mean you can find a statue of Yehowah and other gods of the region back when they were polytheists.
They forgot, we all forgot. It reminds me of a good poem:
In the beginning You Knew,
Then You Pretended to Forget,
Then You Pretended to Forget that You Forgot,
Then You forgot You pretended.
Remember?
Did the Vikings really sell their women to Persians? People always post that painting but I can't find any real info about such a thing happening.
Why would they sell their women?
If they did sell any slaves it would be captured people from raids that they did not want to keep for themselves, so basically if they were it was most likely getting rid of roasties and such. Cant blame em, I wish I could sell local roasties from instagram to persians.
>Did the Vikings really sell their women to Persians?
Their own? No. They probably sold non-nord women though
This painting shows Swedes selling Slavs as slaves.
Nord bro, do you know what is the percentage of L1 haplogroup in nordic people today?
I see in many maps south croatia marked as L2 but not sure how much of L group remained in Europe today and if this map is credible.
This map is one of few that's actually based on studies and not memes
10/10 poem.
>you can find a statue of Yehowah and other gods
From a bull married to a cow named Asherah (8th century bc) to a man on a flying throne (4th century bc) to someone you're not allowed to draw anymore.
>And for all the non-pagans that refuse to come home, wtf is your problem? The old Gods are cringing at you right now
Was this really necessary? Can we not just live and let live?
Modern Pagans and Christians should respect each other and stay out of each other's way.
detailed, looks legit as well
The painting is sexualized and sensationalistic, look at her makeup, it's like something out of a historical drama with Charlton Heston.
Also, the bird is similar to pic related.
Sorry can't help you. I know very little about genetic research. Not really my thing.
>have the Jow Forums hierarchy been infiltrated by (((Christians)))?
You sound like Alex Jones with his "Arabs/Chinese rule Hollywood" bullshit but even worse. Jow Forums's anything but Christian. Catholic/Orthodox, yes, but otherwise... Picrel.
We have no evidence that the first one is of Yahweh. Some Israeli jew serving in the army just discovered it in the 1970s, brought it to Tel Aviv and said it was. VERY trustworthy, is it?
>We have no evidence that the first one is of Yahweh.
The drawing is titled "Yahweh and his Asherah."
>VERY trustworthy, is it?
The Jews are not the natives of Israel by their own admission (they came from modern-day Iraq), but they believe that God gave the land to them (and they needed to kill/enslave a lot of people to get it) as his "Chosen People." Why would they lie to undercut the basis of their own country? I could see them lying FOR Yahweh or even AGAINST Christianity/Islam but not that.
You have many other implications besides that tablet
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I love how all of the depictions are clearly from the imagination of people living in the Near East. The Creator of the Universe chose to look like a typical desert/Med guy of all things.
How do i get into paganism?
I was atheist but something fucking touched me deep inside one night when i was stargazing after being tired of chopping wood all day
I feel like there IS something in there but i don't know what it is
Been having strange dreams lately too, seen lots of christian/jewish cults torturing people in them
I like Varg's videos and have been meaning to read his and his wife's books. But more importantly, all of us pagans seem to agree that it's self evident in nature because it's OF nature, as you yourself were inspired by the night sky.
>Been having strange dreams lately too, seen lots of christian/jewish cults torturing people in them
I once dreamt that pic related came to life and started moving around, it was so freaky and I wasn't on drugs or anything.
Pol bro, I am almost 100% sure that you can find genuine old fashioned people in the villages in Poland that still have these old customs, they might call themselves christian but look for customs, also seasonal dates are good hint. My opinion is that feet on the ground and hands on approach beats any book, especially since you live in Poland you are bound to have a wealth of resources in your country.
>The drawing is titled "Yahweh and his Asherah."
Titled by whom? The phrase "Yahweh and his Asherah" was found in other archaeological inscriptions in northern Israel during the time when they were literally said to be practicing paganism in the Bible.
El likely meant something like "high", while Elohim referred to the angels, though in modern Hebrew (which was literally created in the 19th century) it means "God". Just because it's a title for God in the Pentateuch doesn't mean it's related at all to the Phoenician deity named El.
For example last Sunday old customs here in Croatia is that you wash your face in flowers for palm sunday (christian holiday), now washing face in flowers has nothing to do with Christianity and is ancient custom for coming of spring, so those kind of hints...or big fires for Jurjevo (God Jarilo), also in this time of year. Some people here will do it tomorrow, others in next 2-3 days.
Start with this, and slowly move on to more controversial literature
Listen to the lectures, also funny how in early books, like genesis god is refereed multiple times in plural form and being most high out of many in his company of gods in heaven etc
Also, modern jews are more related to the Canaanites (who inhabited Palestine before the Israelites) than the biblical Israelites were. They were known for being degenerate and evil (child sacrifices were normal among the Phoenicians) and even shared the mercantilism that modern jews have (see the Carthaginians originally trading throughout the Mediterranean as merchants)
AGAIN. The word used for "God" in Genesis was "El". "Elohim" was the plural word of God that you talk about. El likely meant "high".
I screenshotted picrel just for you.
>They were known for being degenerate and evil (child sacrifices were normal among the Phoenicians)
oh funny how this rings a bell
The lecture only ends up proving that the Kingdom of Israel historically wasn't wholly monotheistic and worshipped Canaanite deities, which is true. It's literally mentioned in the Bible that they were pagans after the split.
>Titled by whom?
Most likely whoever had drawn them. Or are you implying that the title was added by someone else later on?
>The phrase "Yahweh and his Asherah" was found in other archaeological inscriptions in northern Israel during the time when they were literally said to be practicing paganism in the Bible.
Judaism is full of rationalizations for keeping its people in line. Temple destroyed? God is punishing you. Temple restored? God has forgiven you. Temple destroyed again? God is punishing you again. An older, pagan version of your God? Your people had fallen into paganism at the time, but before that they had been pure. Christianity continues the tradition. Similar stories in other religions? Satan twisted the true stories to confuse the faithful.
Yep. There are even graves of sacrificed children in Carthage that have inscriptions reading "MLK" which since the Phoenician alphabet was an abjad (no consonants), it could likely refer to Moloch.
What has changed over thousands of years?
>According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, roughly 800,000 children are reported missing each year in the United States -- that's roughly 2,000 per day. Of those, there are 115 child "stranger abduction" cases each year, which means the child was taken by an unknown person.
People here have become so paranoid that you can't even smile at a child anymore. It wasn't like that when I was growing up in the 90s outside the US, so I know what is and isn't normal.
Actually El means God and Elohim is plural and if you look at translations they all play around with the concepts, some say its angels etc, but ok even if we ignore a mountain of implications answer me this
How come Bible is so henotheistic if it does not have polytheistic origins?
Depends what you're looking for. You probably need to change your general outlook from a Christian mindset and pic related is great for that. Don't let the name fool you though, only like the last 1/5th part of the book is about Hinduism and you can skip that if you're not interested in Hinduism.
Don't know enough about Slavic paganism though, so I can't recommend anything for that.
Christians are literally pagans. The Bible says Elojim which means the Gods but is translated to God.
Christians are Henotheistic in the sense that they CHOOSE one Almighty God as their savior but they don't deny other God's exist.
The Bible says the God's created heaven and Earth (well really it says they intervened after it's previous destruction and started it anew.)
Also the Bible claims humans were made in the image of the many Gods, not His image. (Again the Bible on claims people were altered into their image, not made.)
This is what Christians get for trusting Jewish translators
>roughly 800,000 children are reported missing each year in the United States
Its because of some "dead" long forgotten Canaanite religion, nothing to see there goy, move along, Judaism is pure from that kek
As a bit of support,
>Thou shalt have no other gods before Me (Hebrew: לא יהיה־לך אלהים אחרים על־פני)
instead of "thou shalt not worship false gods."
>Most likely whoever had drawn them. Or are you implying that the title was added by someone else later on?
Yes. Again, this inscription in paleo-Hebrew is found in other archaeological findings dating back to after the split of the united monarchy.
>An older, pagan version of your God? Your people had fallen into paganism at the time, but before that they had been pure
It's literally true though that the period we're talking about here wasn't wholly monotheistic.
>Similar stories in other religions? Satan twisted the true stories to confuse the faithful.
It just shows that the same biblical story is found across the world. We see the flood myth not only in Sumer, but also in Greece, China and even many Native American tribes (who would've had NO contact with any Middle Eastern tribes).
"El" means God in modern Hebrew, but that was literally invented by jews in the 19th century. In paleo-Hebrew and Phoenician, it was used to designate someone of high authority. Pic related.
>Judaism is pure from that
Untrue. If anything, they continue those practices.
>In paleo-Hebrew and Phoenician, it was used to designate someone of high authority.
How can we be sure that staff and ox mean high and not god? Isnt Moloch Ox shaped god?
Also golden calf etc
that's a nice dogger
where can i get a thicc pagan honey
Nordic or Slavic countries would be your best bet. Try some folk events...or just go for old fashioned village catholic thats just crypto pagan :D
We don't know what the Phoenicians thought Moloch looked like. The modern image of Moloch as a goat figure was from a German in the 17th century.
The ox was used however to designate strength in paleo-Hebrew.
So we dont really know.
Ok what about your take on henotheistic nature of judaism that we mentioned earlier?
Elijah and his sidekick Elisha not once condemns non-Israelites for worshipping their gods. “When Naaman begged a little earth that he might make a Yahweh-sanctuary in Damascus, how easy it would have been for Elisha to instruct him that the whole earth is Yahweh's and that the soil of Damascus is as truly his as the soil of Palestine. But the opportunity passed without improvement. Neither Elijah nor his biographer thought that the woman of Zarephath ought to give up the service of her Baal on the ground that there was no God but Yahweh. These facts are inexplicable except on the theory that neither Elisha nor Elijah nor the men who wrote their lives denied the existence of the heathen gods. Only for Israel there was one legitimate object of devotion, to desert whom was treason
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It wasn't so that they denied other deities' existence, but denied that they were actually deities like the pagans believed. This is why the "gods of Egypt" were mentioned in Exodus. Even many Roman Christians proclaimed the Roman deities as devils but didn't deny their existence completely.
Nice pasta from Reddit.
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Proto-Jewish people practiced a henotheistic religion similar to ones practiced by other Canaanite tribes they were emerging distinguishing themselves from. Ritual purity was apparently an important part of all Canaanite religious practice. Different groups, however, emphasized different purity practices and established different taboos.
>Proto-Jewish people
Who? Are you not talking about Canaanites themselves?
Its not from reddit actually its from Henry Preserved Smith. Maybe someone on reddit also pasta it.
Nothing wrong in using knowledge, if we only spoke what others before us havent spoken we would all be quiet.
Ok can you give me your take, quick rundown of pre judaism, judaism and till today, how in your opinion it all unfolded?
Ah. But again, regarding the existence of the other deities and their status, see again
pack up your hippies in denial and go fuck a tree
>after the split.
Im talking about proto-jews and how its all from the same flock, they just created their own mythos to differentiate and justify their superiority.
kill yourself.
>Been having strange dreams lately too, seen lots of christian/jewish cults torturing people in them
I had similar dreams before. Dreams are how the gods talk to us so take them seriously.
After all Morpheus is a messenger of the gods.
>American™ pagans
Just please fucking stop.
You don’t even live on your ancestral lands.
Oh no that’s right. The average ”white” American is so mixed that you can’t even return to your ancestral land (lands) without cutting yourself into 20 different pieces.
Honestly, being composed out of almost every single fucking nation in Europe makes you no less of a mutt than if you were half Mexican half White.
The blod and soil concept doesn’t apply to you Americans, you ”European mutts” how does that feel?
>this inscription in paleo-Hebrew is found in other archaeological findings dating back to after the split of the united monarchy.
How unique is the signature of paleo-Hebrew from after the split? It might have existed long before the split, i.e. you can't prove the inscription was added later with it.
>It's literally true though that the period we're talking about here wasn't wholly monotheistic.
I'm arguing that it never had been, a lot of the history of the Jews was retconned after they had developed holier-than-thou ideas.
>We see the flood myth not only in Sumer, but also in Greece, China and even many Native American tribes (who would've had NO contact with any Middle Eastern tribes).
Conversely, what if the Bible has a corrupted version of the story from a truer source? Or what if the Jungian Archetypes recently popularized by Juden Peterstein are true?
As a side note, I think I've alerted "someone" because my past 20 captchas have been incredibly slow.
hippies have more white kids than nationalist christkeks.
The only christians that have kids are those in revolt against the modern world (amish mormons)
England became Anglo-Saxon land by conquest.
America was conquered and it becomes the homeland once you sacralize it and build a Nation(capital N) there.
Yeah fucking captchas for me too
Hi shill. Actually I just reposted an OP by a Swede.
most christian families have atleast 2 kids, also hippie kids are born with drug induced retardation.
2/10 for effort, shlomo
Basically:
>the religion that came from the covenant of Abraham I'll simply put as "Yahwism".
>after the split of the two monarchies, many became polytheistic, a practice that was actively trying to be stamped out by prophets and even certain rulers (like Hezekiah)
>Samaritans rise after the Assyrian captivity
>Judeans
I'm not talking about the signature of paleo-Hebrew, it existed before then. I'm saying that the archaeologists who discovered it dated it to after the split.
>I'm arguing that it never had been, a lot of the history of the Jews was retconned after they had developed holier-than-thou ideas.
Untrue. We have actual evidence of the OT in paleo-Hebrew (which is uniquely before the captivity, as the square script was adopted after then), in particular the Silver Scrolls, dated to Jeremiah's time.
>Conversely, what if the Bible has a corrupted version of the story from a truer source? Or what if the Jungian Archetypes recently popularized by Juden Peterstein are true?
What I'm saying is that stories of a flood worldwide all sharing stuff in common with the biblical account point to a common event. The Hopi Indians for example say they were saved from a flood on a ship (a parallel to Noah's Ark)
>As a side note, I think I've alerted "someone" because my past 20 captchas have been incredibly slow.
Here's a tip: Google captchas are basically a "good goy" test for your browser's security. If you get in without completing some sort of puzzle, you're not secure.
I won't come in here and shit on Pagans if Pagans don't come into Christian threads and shit on us. Deal?
But you are pagans, you just dont realize it and you have cancerous version of it, come back to the source.
Nah.
So its polytheistic then henotheistic then 1 kingdom polytheistic other monotheistic and what about today? Are there still poltheistic elements in modern jewry?
>Judeans go into Babylonian captivity, return after the Achaemenids conquered Babylon, many Edomites settled in the south during that time
>the Scripture is mostly compiled after that, the Second Temple period starts
>Alexander's conquests, Judea comes into control of Ptolemy
>many Judeans migrate to Alexandria and started a form of syncreticism, paving the way for the Sadducees
>after the Seleucids conquered Judea, the Sadducees were favoured for Hellenisation, the Pharisees with their oral law rise as a sect tailored for lower-class Judeans
>Maccabean revolt, John Hyrcanus conquers the Edomites who later settled in southern Judea
>Idumean immigrants start becoming Pharisees
>Romans later occupy Judea, install Herod (a half-Edomite himself) to rule over them
>coming of Jesus
>Mishnah (oral law) mostly compiled by this time
>Romans sack the temple, destroying its records
>Talmuds were compiled hundreds of years later
And that's how rabbinical judaism as it is today was created. Although there are many aspects of it thought of in the middle ages (like the Kabbalah) that I didn't even touch upon.