ZIZEK VS PETERSON

No, I do believe that's buttkrieg

sniff sniff, etc, and so on and so forth

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How is this even going to work? Isn't there a stream on a different website that's not gonna get cucked? They fuckin did it for GoT, surely it's possible for a low tier stream

How is this even a debate? Marxism has failed time and again in practice, capitalism has created the most powerful and prosperous countries of all time.

BASED and volcelpilled

Stalinists were the real racists tho.

Right, it was Stalinism all over the world that led to massive slaughter and not those following Marxism who carried it out

Marixsm doesn't work, how can it provide happiness? Nobody is equal straight up. Constant revolutions don't work (and would be gay). Look how old that cunt is and he still believes in communism. Communism should be for che t-shirt wearing college fucktards who don't know any better and never set foot outside of the manifesto, the little red book or das capital. Grow the fuck up, there is no suck thing as a perfectly equal society, capitalism is the best we have because we're all fuck ups.

>the proletariat wins again!
All communists need to be thrown from helicopters.

>bourgeois
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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How can you look at any communist country for the last hundred years and think, yeah, that's what I want for the US. What the fuck are you smoking?

or potentially thrown onto the top of an operating one

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This is the real thread:

Those aren't really communist, they're socialist, communisms goal is a class less state less society where the means of production is collectively owned and distributed equally, everyone will own everything and have a say through direct democracy, society will be run by decentralized communes.

>communisms goal is a class less state less society where the means of production is collectively owned and distributed equally
which is actual physically impossible

also taking over the means of production will not benefit the workers in any way

>democracy
which is an extremely authoritarian system that needs to be abolished violently

>decentralized
because it always worked out that way lmao

Stalin genocided and forcefully expelled ethnic minorities in the territory of the Soviet Union and made native Russians move into those lands. In terms of nationalist policy he was unironically based.

Also those countries economies fail not because of socialism but because of western liberal capitalist countries are constant boycotting and trying to undermine them, they're scared that communism could actually prove to be the better system, ask yourself why are they trying so hard to spread anti socialist propaganda? Cause they don't want socialist countries to actually become successful cause that would prove that it actually works.

> which is an extremely authoritarian system that needs to be abolished violently

Ah yes and we should replace it with corporate fascism instead, right....

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Actually it's a code word for kikes and kikery
But you didn't hear that from me ok

There are loads of examples of people living in decentralized communes through out history, money wasn't always used either. We just need to take those aspects of living and apply and co-opt them to modern society.

good luck with that lmao

The Finn knows.

It doesn't scale.

How many hours until it starts?

01:30 hours

Great

>Ah yes and we should replace it with corporate fascism instead, right....
Actually that would be much better.

But seriously, we need a free market republic where democracy is minimized as much as possible.

>There are loads of examples of people living in decentralized communes
Guess what? They were poor shitholes without economic production.
Economic production lifts people out of poverty and for that you need a free market.

How to beat Peterson.

>When he talks about I.Q force him to not talk about the high jew I.Q but the low Black I.Q

>Make him define what Marxism is and not just use the umbrella of cultural Marxism

>Compare evolutionary biology to the social sciences he critiques, same failures due to post-pirori reasoning and bad predictive power.

>Trandtional western values fundamentally require the subjection of minority and woman in order to sustain itself. More to point The US gained most of its wealth due to winning two world wars.

He will lose because he can't reveal is power level. Too easy.

>roughly sniffing...

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> But seriously, we need a free market republic where democracy is minimized as much as possible.

Free market leads to corporatism and megalopolies forming ending up undermining the market itself.

> Guess what? They were poor shitholes without economic production.
Economic production lifts people out of poverty and for that you need a free market.

Yes but that doesn't mean they weren't happier back then, mentally and spiritually before all the stresses and unnecessary anxieties that of the modern capitalist society today where people are zoloft and opiate addicts lol, and no you don't need a free market for that, its just your market idealism talking goy.

Agreed

I don't want chink electronics
I don't want american meat and drugs
I don't want anything from Arabia or Africa
Fuck the free market

>Trandtional western values fundamentally require the subjection of minority and woman in order to sustain itself.
That's true of any civilization

twitch.tv/mawmaws
screw the commie and come to the pirate, not taking sides

Or thrown out of a helicopter onto another active helicopter

Zizek will win. Communism will receive a major upswing in the political sphere from this monumental show down.

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>monumental show down
Good one, almost got me.

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>debate
>winning

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>Live debate
>Zizek

Ugh, can I just read a transcript?

youtu.be/MTtwrqtBI00?t=785
don't get too hyped guys, it's just gonna be half an hour of zizek speaking then half an hour of peterson speaking, then 10 minutes for replies and then Q&A. Quite disappointed

>*incoherent word salad*
Ah, so this is peak left wing thought

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>Zizek supporters will say he won the debate
>Peterson supporters will claim he won
Most people are coming into this with a side, there will be no intellectual takeaway from this. Even if say, Peterson gets absolutely demolished like he did with Dillahunty, nothing will change in the long run.

LMAO, this link is probably gonna be taken down right before it starts.

So much for the "proletariat"

see there won't really be a debate, just two presentations. zizek thought peterson's rhetoric is too strong and he didn't want it to end up yelling at each other

It isn't a debate. You're right. The problem is the fact that there is a critical mass of communists, many of whom disguise themselves as antifa, who refuse to learn from history and think they will eventually get a chance to kill all land owners and redistribute wealth in a large scale revolution. We should at least try to debate their ideology before they all die in vain in a useless attempt to get back at the man by taking their dad's gun and leaving their parents basement

Waiting and counting boys. I should have just bought tickets for the arena

>Free market leads to corporatism
No it doesn't.
Government control of the economy leads to that.
The only way monopolies form is by government help.

>Yes but that doesn't mean they weren't happier back then
Bullshit.
How can you be happy working 80 hour days?
You're saying people would be less happy working less hours?

>market idealism
It's called reality, backed by evidence.
Fuck your central banks.
You people need helicopter rides.

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I argue that the only real winner is Juden Peterstein because he is charging retards $ 14.95 for a livestream

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Then don't buy those things.
A free market means you can buy anything you want.

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its free with the otherwise legit route would cost $14.99 idiot

This is the real thread:

In the free market, you don't have to buy those things. Nobody is forcing you to do so. You can buy local all you want. Still free market.

>marxism
>individualism
British education everyone

>discord tranny general

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Fucking weak, I feel bad for anyone that paid for this scam.

>*sniff*
>clean your nose, bucko

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Why are people so hyped if it's just going to be that boring ass format?

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It's because Zizek was afraid of Peterson's rethoric
youtube.com/watch?v=MTtwrqtBI00
Look at minute 13

they don't know
and it's been advertised as a "debate" for a year or more lol

>The only way monopolies form is by government help

I love when Libertarians dont even understand capitalism lmao

FIRST POST BEST POST

> Government control of the economy leads to that.The only way monopolies form is by government help.
No people don't become more greedy and selfish because of the government lol, free market capitalism amplify those human traits and reward them making people engage in dog eat dog ruthless competition, but competition is ad for business once you've got so big its much easier to prevent competition and have a monopoly in the market, cause why compete if you don't have to right.

> Bullshit.
How can you be happy working 80 hour days?
You're saying people would be less happy working less hours?

Who said they worked 80 hours? they had no kike boss who demanded them to do that.

> It's called reality, backed by evidence

The free market is an abstract concept, theres nothing real about it, you're just so brainwashed by market fundamentalism good goy.

Communist ideology is only attractive to those on the bottom rung of society that want free shit, and those above them that will use it to exploit them. It solves none of the major problems with capitalism. Mainly that of greed, and humans

I used to *schniff* think my life was *schniff* a tragedy...

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He has a son stop posting this shit already retard

-Attention-

I have found a few more places claiming to livestream a leak. Hopefully the one thats been given here will not be closed down, but just in case...

theoryleaks.org/video/slavoj-zizek/slavoj-zizek-vs-jordan-peterson-happiness-capitalism-v-marxism-live/?fbclid=IwAR19_xwI7zCXruBpOiREkoxu6UeRyt0YEoaaxQN5-bBAOTBEPZRrbcDS8Hs

youtube.com/watch?v=-Q37tqRc40E

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>I read some fancy stories in public school so that means libertarians are wrong
HAHAHAHAHA

>No people don't become more greedy and selfish because of the government lol
What the fuck? lmao
do you think just because someone is greedy and selfish under capitalism that can just automatically become a monopoly?
The free market prevents this.

>ruthless competition
They are competing to increase economic production and increase living standards for people.
This is a good thing.

>but competition is ad for business once you've got so big its much easier to prevent competition and have a monopoly in the market
But it's not, any company can come along and take their market share.

>they had no kike boss who demanded them to do that.
TOP KEK
They still needed to survive.
It was the industrial revolution and capitalism that resulted in lower working hours and increased consumption by workers.
Businesses mean your living standards increase and working hours go down

>The free market is an abstract concept,
It's also a real thing that has happened several times in history and was extremely successful.

>brainwashed by market fundamentalism
You're brainwashed by marxism.
How can I be brainwashed by freedom and higher living standards?
You're saying I'm brainwashed because I want to be free?

DRINKING GAME:
Take a shot every time Peterson:
>says "roughly speaking"
>mentions Jung
>references "post-modernism" in a purely political way
Take a shot every time Żiżek:
>*sniffs*, *touches beard*
>says the word "ideology"
>bonus shot the moment you notice first sweat stain on his shirt

>In before Peterson isn't a commie

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i hope this stream work because I'm a poorfag that lives in a country fucked by communism...oh, and I am also depressed

what are they even debating? Who is the bigger crackpot?

Drinking is degenerate, but you are Polish so I feel like its as part of your culture as dog fucking is mine

Shut up nigger. Go lift some rocks.

>Communist ideology is only attractive to those on the bottom rung of society that want free shit
work had always been an obligation before the collapse of the USRR you dumb leaf

Are you blind? The topic is literally stated in bold letters in the OP image.

based, fuck that money hungry kike peterson.
no one should pay for this trash.

>country fucked by communism
our problems started with capitalism and HDZ lol.. corrupt politicians sold everything worthwhile to incompetent people or foreign entities.

TY BASED GOD

>work had always been an obligation before the collapse of the USRR you dumb leaf
>i said nothing about people not working, only they want more free shit
Dam the rape during and after ww2 really did lower the IQ of poland

>our problems started with capitalism and HDZ lol.. corrupt politicians sold everything worthwhile to incompetent people or foreign entities.
yeah governments in control of resources and giving them to their friends is totally capitalism

your country is one of the least economically free on earth

notice how the most capitalist ex soviet states are the ones doing the best
like Estonia

This stalism was the opposite because it was perverted type of communism.

For all the people going back and forth about how either side is going to curbstomp either side, whats more likely to happen is that they will probably agree on most things they end up tangenting into

Do you honestly expect an actual discussion about Capitalism vs. Marxism? That's why I ask. If they do stay in their lanes then it should be easy for Peterson, Zizek is a self-professed Stalinist.

> do you think just because someone is greedy and selfish under capitalism that can just automatically become a monopoly?
The free market prevents this.
Making millions while receiving government welfare and paying 0% in taxes is pretty fucking selfish and greedy, monopolies form once companies become so big they can bribe politicians and buy up the competition or restrict their access to the market. Business people form their own class and start working together to undermine other businesses forming corporate megalopolies.

> They are competing to increase economic production and increase living standards for people.
This is a good thing.

While disintegrating communities, social relations, spreading degeneracy, destroying the family etc, Oh but at least we can iPhones lol fuck you.

> How can I be brainwashed by freedom and higher living standards?
You're saying I'm brainwashed because I want to be free?

LOL you are not really free in capitalism, freedom is an illusion m8, under capitalism your life is dictated by external market forces and Money rules you, that's the opposite of freedom.