How does the prospective Mach 6 SR-72 look in a world where Russia possesses the S400 AAM allegedly capable of Mach 20...

Thank you for dying over there for us.

I thought it just made a parabola.

Yeah, it sounds like typical Russian propaganda.

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Just because an AAM is capable of Mach 20, doesn't mean it can reliably hit a vehicle going Mach 6.

they still need to get into or above low earth orbit.

Even the shitty best korea icbm gains an altitude of 4500km, meaning in the terminal phase they will reach mach 20+

>>implying anyone on Jow Forums has intelligent opinions on miltech that you can't hold with two hands
Might as well go to /his/ to get a well-researched opinion on the American Civil War.

Even if it's just propaganda, they don't need to go half that fast to intercept a Mach 6 plane that will likely have very low maneuverability and ECM in the name of saving weight to be able to sustain Mach 5+ flight in the first place.

If the Russkies can build a missile that has even a few percentage points' chance of shooting down an SR-72 and build it cheap enough to sell to their proxies in the Balkans/ME/wherever they don't want the US, burgers will start to look pretty silly throwing what will probably end up being more than most nations' GDP into wreck after fiery wreck in an intercepted recon mission.

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Pretty sure that’s the wrong propaganda m8. S400 is surface to air/anti air missile. It isn’t an ICBM.

None of the S-400 missiles can travel at mach 20. That's close to orbital speed. The fastest can go at 2 km/s which is around mach 6. Mach 20 is the maximum speed of a ballistic missile it could intercept but the SR-72 would fly over a site, not directly towards it.

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Nah, the glow-in-the-darks are getting what they want just fine.

If you're going more than three times as fast as the airplane you're trying to hit, it gets a lot easier than a lot of the Mach 2-4 missiles we see sandmen using against American planes today. I'm also not sure what the flight characteristics would look like at Mach 5+, but my guess is that anything going that fast would turn ugly quickly the moment it suffered anything past scratched paint.

were making near earth orbit bombers and fighters. regular shit is going to become extremely situational and borderline obsolete.

The only thing they care about are the poppy fields, so no we are not. Anything else is just an excuse to funnel more sheckles to defense contractors.

S400 isn't capable of Mach 20 the brochure claim is that it can intercept projectiles going Mach 20, namely missiles. If it had a lock on the plane the plane could outrun it

The Russkies are talking about the S-400 system's variants ranging from 16 to 20 Mach. My studies indicate that Russia tends to exaggerate the base capabilities of its tech whereas burger's tendency is to understate their base stats while simultaneously overplaying their real-life effectiveness (not that burger doesn't have a lot of tech with very impressive results, of course.)
So I agree that just because Russia says it flies Mach 20 doesn't mean it actually can, but it's also much simpler to get an AAM to insanely high speeds than a conventional aircraft since it only has to fly for a few minutes and then explode. Even in the eighties, remember that burger stopped using the Blackbird because the Soviets demonstrated their ability to effectively cockblock it. That was over thirty years ago, and Russian miltech hasn't been as stationary as American media would like you to believe.

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If I may speak freely, the Russkie talks big, but frankly, we think he's short of know how. I mean, you just can't expect a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys. And that's not meant as an insult, I mean, you take your average Russkie, we all know how much guts he's got. Hell, lookit all them Nazis killed off and they still wouldn't quit.

In other sources I've seen the Russians claim speeds as high as 20 Mach, but even if it's less than the 15 claimed here it's still plenty to intercept a Mach 6 craft just based on speed alone. The very fact that it's a Mach 6 spyplane means it's designed to operate in areas without any support.

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don't you get it?? all countries's armed forces have a common goal of keeping regular people in fear and in check. they are not gonna fight each other. maybe only a little makebelief conflict just to make you think that they are enemies.

they fooled you bro. all these weapons are AGAINST YOU.. not against russia or whoever the fuck else they tell you as if it's the enemy

the state is the enemy bro. has always been.. along with the church

it's all a massive commie faggot concentration camp. the whole world.. is a fucking farm where we are slaves and they are our overseers. nothing new will ever come. nothing will change

it's all gonna stay like that until they remove the dome. we live under the dome at the bottom of the ocean, mining resources for those who built this dome. we are nothing but a huge resource production factory.. a huge mine.. a fucking mineral farm.. and people are nothing but a bunch of programmable bio-robots with the only purpose - to reproduce.. get educated how to serve and work.. then after a short while die. and most people will die without even realizing where they live and what their real purpose is.

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The second we killed bin laden we won. That was our objective.
Afghans will kill eachother forever, and no one cares.
What? You think we want to conquer Afghanistan or something? If we wanted to do that wed just kill everyone there and take it.

>you just can't expect a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys
kek
American tech superiority does have some basis in truth, but it's largely in force-projection technology that we're using in Sandland right now. Aircraft carriers are an example, the Russians clearly just don't care too much about carriers because that's not their thing. They know they can't match us dollar-for-dollar, but that's why missile tech like the S400 holds so much potential threat. It's what they've known for decades is their only realistic defense against American and NATO force-projection and aggression.

Their fighter tech is also very underrated by Western media, and while it is absolutely true that as I stated earlier the Russians do what you say - that is, they often claim much higher capabilities than actual - their defense and fuck-you tech has actually been kept very cutting-edge in contrast to their naval forces.

I invite you to compare the S400 and Russian AAM tech in general to American tech, it's just not something Americans focus on. For half a century America has been able to spend so much more money than anyone it fights that it's been totally ok with how much more expensive it is to build a 5th-gen fighter than just send in a bunch of guys with shoulder-fired rockets and accept that a bunch of them won't make it home (war casualties/PR are a significant problem for the US since war protests got popular after WWII.)

>using jet propulsion
>not using reactionless disrupted causality quantum propulsion

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I was quoting Dr. Strangelove.

>implying I don't know that already
It goes deeper than that, though. What was the most affluent time for American workers? The Cold War brought unprecedented levels of affluence for the common man which even today seem mythical.

The reason America had to make it so comfy for the common man was that the Soviet regime's mantra of a worker's paradise held so much appeal for the working man at a time so soon after the Industrial Revolution, that America had to prove not only that it was stronger than the Soviets but also a better place for the Everyman to live. Once the Soviet Union fell, this need all but disappeared. Struggle between great nations in the modern era is not just military but also cultural. It's important that we not allow a global monostate (or a global monoculture, as the West seems to be moving towards) because as soon as that happens there will be no competition and the Powers That Be can give us as shitty a life as possible.

I'm no Soviet lover, but their cultural war against the United States and the West is a tremendous part of why "le the boomers xd" had such a good time with their unions and entry-level high-wage jobs.

Haha nice man. I was drunk when I watched that movie so I don't remember a lot of it, but it was definitely a fine piece of artwork.

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>It goes deeper than that, though
i was talking exactly about the deepest part of it. that it's all about how we are nothing but slave ants on this farm. i wasn't implying anything but do you really know that we live under the dome at the bottom of the ocean? i mean.. not many people know the deepest truth. they are gonna remove the dome once we mine all the resources from this particular mine.

S-400 is Gen 3 out of 5 generations of AA systems. I don't know why everyone has such a boner for it

>record amount of opium harvests
I don't think so, mongo.

Go read Skunk Works by Ben Rich. It's all about the creation of the stealth program. At a time when Russia had the most advanced radar and AA tech in the world we had stealth so good we could walk all over Russian territory and they couldn't see a thing. Any highly visible publicly advertised military program isn't the real deal black book projects that are done in secret and have tech decades ahead of everything else.

>Burgers
>American flag

Hey there Sergey.

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>commie faggot concentration camp

Actually, most of them seem to be trannies. A special satanic kind of faggot. Not enough people are involved in resource extraction, so this place serves another main purpose.

Ram-Jets are old tech. They have probably had these since just after the SR-72 retired. They probably use them to ferry the elite to secret countries off the map.

>SR-72

SR-71

we are getting all our batteries and prescription heroin for cheap though

How does that work.

Terminal velocity a shit
If you need to wait for it to fall until it reaches terminal velocity the missile will start maneuvering way too low in the atmosphere

And then a F-117 was downed with a SA-2 and it never flew again as a warbird

If any other nation in the world had this result in a war, it'd be considered a win.

Except the US.

For Euros, US needs to completely pacify the entire population of a country and make everyone love the US or else it's a loss

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russia only has 1 aircraft carrier?

What was the objective?

Russia/the USSR never adopted carriers as their main naval doctrine. They were heavily focused on submarines.

What could this wacky contraption provide in the way of intel that satellites can't?
Or is it just one of those things where you bait the Russians into a technological arms race they can't afford to pursue?

>Not enough people are involved in resource extraction
quite a bit actually. i advice your research the data of your royal geological society. incredible amounts of resources have been mined.. the quantities exceed the amounts spent on infrustructure. plus most people are used not for extraction but for maintenance of the system. only about 1% of population are actual miners directly. the rest are administrators, food growers, manufacture workers.. etc etc. plus don't forget that about 20-30% of population are kids and 20-30% are old faggots who don't do shit. so it leave only about 25% of population who are maintaining the system and 1% is actually mining.. with 1% of elites who are regulating the who system

etc etc. so.. the MAIN purpose is to mine all resources. guaranteed. i have explored this question thoroughly. there is no mistake. numbers don't lie.

just imagine.. there has been so much copper mined in the past 50 years, that every kilometer along every road, there should be more then 5 tons of pure copper, which is impossible, since 90% of the roads don't have anything along them but country side. There is 64 million km of roads with statistically 5tons of cooper per km. If 90% of roads have almost no copper.. then the remaining 10% of roads shoud have around 50 tons of copper per km, which is INSANE. Realistically speaking there is only about 1-2-3tons of copper per km around the city, that is including copper in cars and other devices. Question WHERE is the another 45+ tons of copper per km? Answer.. taken outside the dome to those who own our world.

Such statistics can be applied to all resources
calculate it yourself if you wish. i did. it's all fucked up. we are fucked.
bgs.ac.uk/mineralsuk/statistics/worldArchive.html

The S-400 is vulnerable to current gen aircraft and ARMs. My question would be the purpose of the SR-72 within current air domain doctrine. I’d rather see more B2s or the development of a long range fighter to escort bombers.
And the cuck Force learned not to fly the exact same route at the exact same time every day.
Zero operational user.
Which is unsurprising since their tier one tanks scheduled for parades break down (to do a “maintenance demonstration” lel).

Sucks having no warm water ports I guess.

>What could this wacky contraption provide in the way of intel that satellites can't?
I'm sure a large part of it is baiting the Russians, but
>want to take photos of a specific location on a map
>want those photos RIGHT NOW
>satellite is in orbit at a thousand or more miles above the ground, won't even be in position for a long time
>enemy knows this, can schedule their secret operations around when they know your satellite will be overhead
>satellite is still a thousand miles overhead, not 2 or 5 or whatever the 72 is said to cruise at
There's a lot that spyplanes can see that satellites can't. You can also constantly upgrade a spyplane, a satellite is much more difficult. However, all those who are remarking that every time the US built an "untouchable" spy plane, the Soviets touched it within a few years (or demonstrated their ability to touch it and we ceased flying it in their airspace). Spyplanes, like aircraft carriers, are just one of those high investment-reward ratio things that historically burger has been able to afford and Ivan hasn't.

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Really we should have fucked off in like 2003. No reason for the US to be killing a few random brownish people in the Hindu Kush. But yes, we “won”.
Your analysis of how Euros view it is spot on tho.

So they’re finally unveiling Aurora 30 years after?!

super sonic :(

**HYPER** SONIC :)

>S400 AAM allegedly capable of Mach 20 flight?
I heard it was more like 50 machs.

>No reason for the US to be killing a few random brownish people in the Hindu Kush.
It is a lot to do with oil (and of course the CIA's drug wars), but not in the way the MSM talking heads pretend it is.
We don't want the oil there, we're a net exporter and even when we weren't we got most of ours from the Americas anyway. We don't want Russia or China controlling that oil, though. Even though Russia has been a net exporter for a long time, it's a huge headache to burger that they're a big (primary?) supplier for both Europe and China. Oil is money, money is power. Oil is essential to a modern military, it's a strangehold that Russia and its puppet states are being allowed over Europe. Quite frankly I'm tremendously surprised that the new pipeline through Turkey to continental Europe was allowed, since hardly any of the European powers want any more Russian influence in the area, but perhaps the big money that controls the EU is growing a little more Russia-friendly.
Anyway, point being, the US believes it can't allow anyone to sell oil without its oversight, and Russia is the one exception that it hasn't been able to nail down yet. Heck, our economic position in the global economy is tremendously buoyed by the petrodollar, which would cease to be taken seriously as soon as the EU starts trading oil in the ruble.

Mach 20 is not really possible unless well outside the thicker layers of atmosphere. You generate re-entry heat at that speed.

>it's still plenty to intercept a Mach 6 craft just based on speed alone
Mach 6 is 6400 km/h. A plane flying that fast would travel 400 km, the maximum range of the S400, in under 4 minutes. It would also fly at about 25 km in altitude.

A missile doesn't start out at its peak speed, or immediately leap to that speed, and it doesn't stay at that speed for any length of time once reached. Instead, it begins accelerating rather slowly, and it accelerates faster as it burns its propellant and loses mass, finally reaching peak speed just before running out of fuel, at which time it begins to rapidly slow due to drag in proportion to the square of its speed. Its average speed, therefore, is much slower than its maximum speed.

On top of that, the outlandish top speeds are probably the maximum attainable speeds by flying, not after an aircraft, but up into space and out of atmospheric drag, like an orbital rocket booster. It's top speed on realistic intercepts is likely around mach 12, with its average speed well under mach 6.

In summary, it's probably pretty good at catching mach 2 fighters, but a mach 6 scramjet? No.

>mfw I understand the engineering.

That is fucking COOL. I wish engineers ran our world.

Ummm. Afghanistan does not have oil friend.
Cheers though!

Thanks for the analysis, leaf. All those are good points. It sounds like its acceleration and realistic intercept speed coupled with the relatively-unknown SR-72 specs mean that although it's still a big deal it's a lot less ridiculously OP than numbers make it sound.

Another thing to consider is that if the F-35 is any indication, it might be 2030 or later before the SR-72 ever enters service and that gives Russians a lot of time to make new missiles. Mach 6 is definitely impressive, but seeing as how the Soviets could so quickly scrape together the resources to down a Mach 3.x SR-71 in the 80s (when they didn't even have anything that could touch it on paper, much less realistically, when it first deployed), I'm still not convinced a Mach 6 airplane will be untouchable to a major power by the time it deploys.

The cost is a huge thing too, I don't off the top of my head know the projected per-plane cost of the 72 but especially as a drone the US might be ok with losing one here and there. I can certainly see the capability as a strike aircraft, as some sources are saying it's being envisioned, too. Even if it can only hold one or two missiles, it would hardly even matter how stealthy its approach was because of how quickly it will all be ogre.

lockheed TR-3b antigravity craft reportedly goes Mach 20 with 90% reduced G forces. We won't hear about it for at least another 40 years.

You're absolutely right, it doesn't and I never claimed that it did. The geographic area around it does, and it has a lot of strategic importance. You're still understanding what I'm saying through a very simple "le we want the oil xd" lens. Oil is a part of the strategic importance of the region, but it's not the entirety of it. The US strategic interest is primarily in lessening Russian and increasingly Chinese power in the region, partly because of oil and partly because of trade routes used to move that oil. Iran is also an increasing headache, and if we weren't constantly invading sandmen I'm sure they would act out even more than they already do without fear of reprisal. India is becoming an increasingly happy military customer of Russia's (their military is practically all surplus Soviet), so that's another power that we can influence a little more directly from our Middle Eastern bases.

big if true

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Afghanistan does not provide us with any significant leverage over any oil production friend. Dominating the Hindu Kush matters to Pakistan and Russia. Not the US. It’s not even a good launching pad to threaten Iran (the one country you could - conceivably- be speaking of). It’s a logistical nightmare to get there and not favorable terrain - we would use Southern Iraq if we were to try that. More important is that Iran can blast away at our concentrated forces in Afghanistan with their MRBMs and SRBMs.
Your point makes sense, sorta, talking about our forces in Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, and UAE. Not Afghanistan. As I said, no reason for the US, a naval power, to be mucking about there. Oil is certainly not a consideration in this case.

>Afghanistan does not provide us with any significant leverage over any oil production
Again, didn't say it did. At least read what I write before responding, come on man.
>the US
>a naval power
The US is every power, my friend. Just because we have a fuckhuge navy doesn't mean we only finger ourselves in countries with a coastline.

I'm not going to LARP, I'm not some higher-up at the Pentagon with insider knowledge as to why we love to finger Afghanistan's bumhole. But the entire area is an important area, and Afghanistan was a convenient place to topple and occupy under the guise of peacekeeping. It's true, I can't sit here and tell you off the top of my head why we invaded Afghanistan before Iraq, though I'm sure global politics and possibly military strategy had everything to do with it. But I do know post-WWII America well enough to know we didn't invade them because we had to eliminate the thread of a terrorist group who had just taken us unaware on September 11. There was a strategic reason for invading specifically Afghanistan, and strategic reasons in the Middle East often focus around oil trade or military bases of larger powers such as Russia trying to influence oil trade. I could go on for longer writing about what I know, but it doesn't matter because you would see it and reply "hurr you idiot how do you not know that Afghanistan has no oil."

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BASED

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Quantum mechanics is bullshit brain let physics. They can't find precision in the sub-atomic reality so they fell back on probability and stated that's the best we could do. It's fucking lazy and deceptive.

No joke, in the Skunk Works book the author states that Lockheed engineers calculated the most stealth shape of an aircraft that was theoretically possible. What they came up with was literally a flying saucer. It has the tiniest possible radar profile. He stops just short of admitting that Lockheed was working on flying saucers.

Mach 20? Bullshit. The friction would cause it to heat up so much it would melt, or at the minimum the HE used as the main charge would detonate.

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SR-72 has been around forever too. And the scram jet has been around forever too. My business partner has had a poster with an explosion of it for like 2 decades.
SR-72 is super old news, that's why it's public. SR-71 is like 1960s tech.

What’s the game? Seems like we need to know that first.

We need to spend trillions on new failed weapons systems programs to counter the russian threat. Putin claims there is no such thing as the female penis and the only answer to his hate is a nuclear exchange resulting in the deaths of most human beings on earth

>burger tech
>very impressive results

I’d like to hear more about these results. What’s the last war we unequivocally won?

We won war in Afghanistan by commando raid in Pakistan. Come again there lad?

Does anyone know the Aesop fable about the army of lions with a sheep general losing to and army of sheep with a lion general?

No amount of weapons tech will enable our nu-army of trannys and niggers fighting for obscure jewish interests to defeat anyone

It's basic The Art of War. If you're weak you pretend to be stronger than you are to stop your enemy from attacking. If you're very strong you pretend to be weaker than you are to coax your enemy into an attack.
Those low level special ed grunts aren't the ones flying black book secret project aircraft. They work as filing clerks, toilet scrubbers and other low IQ jobs.

What wars have our high level trained killers like buttgag won?

As much as I'd love a hypersonic successor to the world's greatest aircraft (from a technical perspective). Even Skunkworks admitted it was just words in an interview, and there is no definite plan.

You actually bought the Bin Laden fairy tale?? They may have gotten someone that night, but Bin Laden? Yeah nah.

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>2019
>Only Mach 7
>Hello, this is the year 1975 on the line.

It's because Afghanistan has trillions of dollars in untapped mineral wealth.

Also this
youtube.com/watch?v=lMo6max_260

the fact that a diagram of an sr72 even exist tells me the craft they are actually using must be much more advanced

Sigh. I don’t know what I missed. I still don’t. Sorry?
Your entire point seemed to revolve around oil.
We invaded Afghanistan to defeat any potential threat that a sweeping 3rd caliphate would form (this is what OBL said he wanted to happen). -And revenge was called for by the people. What were the chances of a 3rd caliphate forming? Next to nothing but we were the US in 2001/2 and immensely powerful relative to any competition so we had power to spare.
Saying we are a naval power does not mean we do not have an Army. We do, it’s a good one. But the main thing that we are is a naval power. Britain maintained healthy ground forces but was clearly a naval power - it’s a bit less so for us but still applies. Read Mayan and McKinder to see where I am comming from.

Afghanistan is NOT a good strategic location for the US, as I said. You either have to use the “northern supply route” aka Russia (giving them power over our forces there) or Pakistan supply route (giving them that power. There is no valid geopolitical reason for the IS to be trying to maintain forces in the Hindu Kush.

I will larp at you and say, while definitely not a “higher up”, I did spend last week at the Pentagon (which I hate btw).

Which have they lost?

Name a battle we haven't won. Our soldiers always win. Our Congress losses wars in the long run because they don't set firm objectives. Any objective that is given to our military is achieved. But they can't operate indefinitely in enemy territory with no firm objectives. Vietnam and Afghanistan don't have firm end goals like WW2. Once we reached Berlin the war was clearly over. What possible outcome can we reach like that in these other non-defined war zones? What's the goal?

It's fake news. Nothing going Mach 20 has a turn radius capable of AA interception.

I’ve personally both won and lost a total of zero wars in the last seventy years too. So basically I’m personally as effective as the entire US army.

And just like the US Army you accept gays inside you.

In final intercept it would enter “sprint mode”, there is a technical term for this but w/e, as it closes the final distance to target. Most TBMs do not maneuver. Nor would bombers have the ability to evade once the interceptor was at this range.

>Nor would bombers have the ability to evade once the interceptor was at this range.
It won't get to that range if the shitty radar can't lock on. The 92N6E Grave Stone will automatically prioritise targets, compute Launch Acceptable Regions for missile launches, launch missiles, capture missiles, and provide midcourse guidance commands to missiles while tracking the target and missile.

>provide midcourse guidance commands to missiles while tracking the target and missile.

You know what a big piece of shit this thing is? It can't see stealth, it can only track 100 targets, etc. etc. So many countermeasures I can't list 'em all, to shut this thing down and break the comm link between it and anything it launches and tries to guide. They should know a datalink after launch is a fundamental vulnerability, lol.

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Just like the US army I make your girlfriend do lots of pushups.

Sexual pushups right on MY DICK because I HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE and LITERALLY FORNICATE EVERY TUESDAY with the WOMAN YOU LOVE MOST

>In final intercept it would enter “sprint mode”,
To get to final intercept, it would need to be flying faster than 6 Mach. A rocket fuselage is inherently less maneuverable as an airfoil at the same speed.

>Sexual pushups right on MY DICK because I HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE and LITERALLY FORNICATE EVERY TUESDAY with the WOMAN YOU LOVE MOST
Jody is that you? Drill Sergeant tells privates all about you. You're a busy man.

>And just like the US Army you accept gays inside you.
Wow, based Russkie who uses anal sex among men as a means of disciplining troops. so common it's known as "cleaning the whistle", is talking about having gays in the military? LOL!

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>to get to final intercept would need to be traveling at greater than Mach 6
No? It wouldn’t
Kinematics and kinematic defeat would still be a thing, yes.