OFFICIAL THREAD: For the Peterson vs. Zizek Philosophy Debate Today at 7:30pm (EST) Toronto, Canada.
/Peterson vs. Zizek/ OFFICIAL thread 6
Hunter Johnson
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Blake Lee
firsts for zizek wins
Daniel Scott
This is way better than I expected tbqhwyf
Parker Adams
NAZBOL GANG RELEASE FROM YOUR CHAINS
Chase Rivera
Here's Sam Hyde's take on the whole thing.
Alexander Rogers
The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.
In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.
The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.
Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other — Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.
Luis Baker
The joke in all of this is that both of them are probably the most well known philosopher minds we have right now.
Who else do we have? Neolib Jews like Chomsky?
Wyatt Butler
YAAAAAAASSSSSS TRANNYBROS WE'RE COLONIZING Jow Forums ZIZEK IS BASED
Jeremiah Allen
Why would you want to be poor though?
Chase Taylor
HOW LONG AGO DID THIS START?
Nolan Ramirez
wins what? he hasn't defended Marxism for a second
Asher Evans
Friendly reminder stalin did nothing wrong
Noah Diaz
started off cringy, but its getting better.
Matthew Roberts
based zizek is running circles around him, this psychologist needs to stay in his lane.
Adam Peterson
BASED ZIZEK QUOTING HIMMLER
Gabriel Parker
What the fuck is he talking about?
Ryan Bennett
>Peterson admits he's not for individuality, but for individual responsibility for his surroundings and for collective society
>Żiżek quotes Himmler
>twice
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
Noah Brooks
waiting for the 16 year old ancap Discord incels to defend daddy Peterson's incoherent ramblings
Matthew Adams
Himler made a decent point
Lincoln Allen
>"Nameless marxists did this to our society, goy. They are our enemies. They want to divide us"
Brayden Ramirez
by identifying with them, he might as well be. People have to be held accountable for their optics.
Nolan Rodriguez
So who won Jow Forums?
Lucas Kelly
TFW Jow Forums loves eating its own so much that it sides with a commie over a conservative that shilled "cultural marxism" into the mainstream.
Well done lads, you've become as self destructive as the left.
Eli Johnson
>himmler quotes
very good slavoj
Jonathan Evans
>commies pretending to understand a single sentence zizek is vomiting ITT
biggest laugh I've had all night
Daniel Morgan
I mean, he clearly hadn't actually read any Marxist literature
for one the point isn't that rich people are evil, the point is that the capitalist class, that is e.g. stockholders whos main wealth is through absentee ownership of companies, is parasitic, unnecessary.
The other point is his weird misinterpretation of profit. Profit isn't bad because its unequal, Marxists claim its bad because of the LTV, that is the argument that a surplus value is extracted from the difference between wage and value, with the argument that value is determined primarily by labour.
He needs to read the Marxists to critique the Marxist theory in any meaningful manner.
Carter Morales
OH NO NO NO NO
Daniel Russell
People that are already poor want to be 2% better off and plunge everyone else to their level.
Nathaniel Nelson
Peterson is not a fucking conservative bud
Christopher Russell
(you)
Benjamin Morris
3 hours ago
Nolan Robinson
Dugan
Jose Butler
wow thanks zizek for pointing out that religion can end up making people do bad things. STOP THE PRESSES
Evan Sanchez
Discord Trannies represent!
Ian Robinson
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Isaiah Powell
the jews organizing this t hing
Ayden Cooper
You act like them having names would matter.
Isaiah Clark
clean your room
Thomas Bailey
>all those soys laughing at a serious moment.
I hate philosophy fanboys.
Lincoln Collins
idióta
Logan Bell
Dugin*
Christian Sullivan
zizek won pretty hands down.
James White
>schlurp schlurp
>licks lips
>"PROFIT ISH THEFT"
>audience cheers and applauds
HONK HONK
Asher Stewart
Come get your redpills, faggot
Nolan Robinson
>"the left is an echochamber"
>"the left eats itself!!"
Ryder Green
Don't be afraid to think.
Ethan Edwards
Why even bother with the Capitalism v. Marxism label? Zizek gave basically all his ground immediately if they actually agreed to that topic ahead of time.
>also put Happiness as the main title
>they both immediately claim happiness isn't the goal
James Wright
why is a psychologist defending capitalism
Thomas Scott
Keep saying it and maybe it'll be true!
Landon Mitchell
Don't be afraid to think.
Charles Martin
Laughing is a natural response to distress.
Jacob Robinson
He said unironically.
Ryan Gutierrez
It's finally over
Luis Wilson
are we purity spiralling for conservatism now? Seriously seeing how this board has become is a total blackpill. No one wants to win anymore, just want to tear everything down
Josiah Nguyen
Fuck this shit Peterson has no conclusion and at least Zizek has one.
Brody White
No Q&A???
Ayden Peterson
BASED ZIZEK
ONE DAY THE LIBERALS WILL UNDERSTAND
Hudson Cook
5000 thousand for this stream
big event guys
Christian Thomas
Luis Garcia
this
ticket prices were abysmal
Jackson Lee
"I hope they leave this debate with-" *stream cuts out*
was he gonna shill his book?
Jackson Lopez
wait what is this the end/?
Samuel Watson
>ITS NICE THAT YOU SURVIVED THIS
Aiden Peterson
>SORRY GOY WE CAN'T LET YOU HEAR THE END OF THIS ONE
Dominic Peterson
He was better prepared in the first part, reading from a paper rather than going off-the-cuff, and he's comes off as more experienced in this format. But I think Peterson did fine overall and sounded reasonable.
Lincoln Ramirez
is zizek a fascist?
Jaxson Lewis
jbp walked away as the bigger man here, hands down
Asher Kelly
Was that it? That was boring as fuck
Sebastian Lee
>people spent hundreds of dollars to watch this tripe
Eli Brown
Seriously, why can't that retard just talk properly?
It can't be that hard, has he even tried?
Connor Rodriguez
because he needs to sell more books about cleaning your room to his audience of supporters who use him
as a surrogate father
pretty good grift tbqh
Easton James
it's been an incredibly judeo-christian dialogue indeed
Andrew Baker
wotking other stream
Nolan Anderson
Peterson was really not the right guy for this debate.
Jacob Price
but he isn't a conservative
ironically he himself is a post-modernist.
Christian Roberts
It wasn't a competition.
Zachary Cruz
is it done?
Christopher Ortiz
So we should be ideologues? Fuck that. JBP is a hack and a pseudo-intellectual with a hilariously massive ego. Even though I don't agree with communism because people will always be inherently lazy fucks, I can still respect zizek's ability to substantiate his beliefs. JBP is a fuckin mess.
Dominic Turner
fuck this stalinist moderator why they can't aimlessly babble the whole night
Benjamin Ward
He was just critical of the hypocrisy and stupidity of faggots that idolize eastern mysticism and shit on western religious values
Sebastian Barnes
Zizek has no arguments, Peterson has no interest. This is a retarded debate.
Brandon Butler
everyone is a fascist
Gabriel Stewart
There never was any winning, user.
You can only lose slower, and we don't have that kind of time.
Brayden Jones
as if Peterstein won the debate LMAO
Brody Myers
peterson: so the power of comunication...
zizek: if you are a leftist don't feel the need to be politically correct, don't be afraid to think
so who really won Jow Forums?
Oliver Brooks
>feed cuts
Ryder Harris
>Peterson sounded reasonable
WHO ARE THESE MARXISTS????????
he got owned in one question, discord incel
James Taylor
ONE THING I DONT KNOW WHY IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER HOW HARDYOU TRY
Jayden Anderson
"Trump is not a fascist" Based Zizek! Great BTFO to the Libertarian Left.
Nathaniel Rivera
(((THEY))) shut it down
Justin Green
my iq is 75 and i dont understand anything zizek was talking about
were they actually discussing marxism or capitalism? it seemed like they both just babbled
Aiden Walker
THREADLY REMINDER ON DETERMING WHO'S WINNING:
BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO SAY WHO "WINS" AND WHO "LOSES":
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER:
WHAT ARE THE POINTS OF STASIS, THE MAIN ISSUES BEING CONTENDED?
WHICH CLAINS AND SUPPORT FOR THEIR SIDE OF THE ISSUE HAVE BEEN MADE FOR BY COCAINEK AND BETERSON?
HOW DO YOU WEIGH THESE CLAIMS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER TO JUSTIFY YOUR BELIEF THAT ONE OR THE OTHER IS WINNING?
unless you can answer these questions all you're saying is the one whose cock you drool over the most wins. not serious. makes you a homo. learn to debate.
Camden Hughes
an atheist ultraindividualistic canadian is not right to spread right-wing ideas? who would have thunk
Ryder Martin
I think the twitch stream had the final thoughts, but when i switched i got to see them walk off stage
Andrew Cooper
They both completely failed to argue the pros/cons of Capitalism / Marxism in reaching happiness. They managed to agree to a framework for happiness then Peterson shit on Cultural Marxism, Zizek shit on Cultural Marxism and argued the semantics of Marxist/Hegelian beliefs and both agreed on Capitalist failures.
Easton Lopez
How are all of you all interpreting this as somehow antagonistic or a competition? They are literally just talking casually and passionately while trying to figure out where their differences lie and the extent of their knowledge. It's chill and intimate to see the way they are attempting to teach each other and to discuss where they see society struggling. It's pretty heartwarming.
Angel Kelly
Zizek because he actually came to talk while peterson just babbled his usual talking points.
Julian Flores
and that’s a good thing
Adrian Parker
holy shit that was a bad ending
if they had to end exactly at this point they could've pushed the audience questions a little earlier...
Christian Hall
Fucking end gets UFC'ed.