Wtf is going on?

Seems like they got on and agreed if anything

National Bolshevism is the final answer. Russia and America will merge as one and shitstomp the Earth.

Except he did when he cited studies that revealed 30% of sciences and humanities are marxists.

Why do so many retards like you say this shit? Are you braindead? Literally?

NAME THE MARXISTS, PETERSON.

Jordon Peterson showed he couldn't understand, or much less counter deeper thoughts. His shallow or intellectually dishonest responses fell flat. Perhaps he'll claim he had the flue or something?

My guess is Jordon Peterson will say he had the flue or something. It was embarrassing at times.

>don't listen to jbp
>don't even know who the other guy is
Always fun when ecelebs spam their shit here

i wasn't taking notes but he

1. got jp to agree that ignoring ideology can be dangerous which hurts his "clean your room and don't worry about the world" point

2. pointed out the cultural marxism strawman

3. china is booming but that's not necessarily increasing happiness (also bangladesh example) which jp then walked back and also criticized capitalism

I didn't watch this shit, can I get a summary? How bad did JP get wrecked?

It was ugly. Ziz mopped the fucking floor with Peterson. I’m still laughing about it.

He got JP to basically contradict himself and made all of his main arguments look foolish. I hate Zizek, but he was clearly the victor.

>Discord trannies
Reminder: an army of well funded, well organized jew shills patrol the internet in effort to shut down any counter-jew discussion and to promote the globalist anti-white jew agenda.

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>ACT.IL shill recruitment video

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LINK?

They use him as a proxy for intelligence they lack. You can see people just applauded when they hear "global effort" "Trump" "ecology" "alt right", they don't even know what point is he making.
He never argued FOR communism. Hell, he just pointed out that capitalism is a great system of abundance and he fears that the best way to do it is trough fascism.
The shills are just low IQ.
When Peterson tried to go after him he just went "I'm more of a Hegelian than a marxist", not quite a smooth sidestep if you ask me.

Possibly the dumbest post in the history of this website.

>if i post the same shitty collage and copy paste jewtube video links enough the big bad discord trannies will go away

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This is major. Yuge. Yuge-o-slavia. Bigly. Jow Forums is fallen. Confusion everything. Chaos reigns.

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>This fat Marxist slob didn't make a SINGLE (1) point

Wtf were you not listening or just retarded?

He literally pointed out
> the problems of neoliberal capitalism
> that ideology exist everywhere in daily life and we believe it without questioning why
> that the kind of self help combined with religion a la Peterson can be used to mislead people
> that happiness should not be the prime goal cause it can lead to excessive hedonism and nihilism, and unhappiness if pursued blindly.

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Jow Forums just hates Peterson that fucking much for not mentioning the JQ

if only most marxist understood these points, but they all hate zizek anyways because he still gives a shit about the working class and defeating capitalism or whatever

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this is a result of 1. compromised mods, and 2. coordinated Discord/reddit trannies flooding in to 'colonize' Jow Forums. you wanna make a difference, DON'T buy a gun and shoot people. if you have no kids that's the only other thing you can do to change things. so just DON'T fucking do it already, if you don't have kids you probably won't have them in the future anyway. DON'T do it.

Sorry sweeties the Twitter results are in and your boy Peterson got ANNIHILATED AHHAAHAHAAHA LITERALLY CRUSHED IN A DEBATE BY A CRAZY PERSON YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP YOU FUCKING RETARDS FOLLOWED A MENTAL MIDGET!!!!!

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/leftycuck/ is raiding Jow Forums right now you nufag faggot
they always do this and then fuck off after getting BTFO in their own moldy breads

I hate you fucking commies but most people are too dumb to understand Zizek.

Both of these shills are talking about absolutely nothing of practical value or substance. They're literally spewing out the most generic day-to-day nonsense while blabbering on and on about whatever stupid trivial topic they feel like spaming into the mic. Half of the time the two are obviously talking just to hear the sound of their own voice. The two just finished talking about "toilets" in Western Europe. There was never any point. Then they move to the next random verbal-shitpost while they role-play for the idiot crowd. Notice Jordan Peterson's fake twiddling "Hand Gestures". Jordan's trying to be Adolf Hitler after receiving drama classes. The guy is a total fraud. This pseudo-debate is literally a shitpost organized by the jewish elite that won power across W. Europe / Anglosphere after WW1-WW2. The 1% jewish class are shitting all over you on purpose.

This staged debate is by design. This sham of a debate is no different than jews shitting on art canvasses and calling it a "masterpiece". It's a mockery.

This is how the jewish tribe operates. They mock everything in our society. Everything, including the concept of philosophical debate. The only westerners who fall for such utter garbage like this are psychotic homosexuals that are simply attracted to the manufactured "fame" of the event. These are the people clapping in the audience. The audience is totally inorganic and forced. They clap because they see a "pop star" not due to hearing wise words. Half are no doubt paid.

This debate is a total scam. It's a pseudo-philosophical shitpost.

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the actual galaxy brain take on this is that they're both outdated and agree on mostly everything thats important

cope

>neoliberal capitalism
You fucking kidding me? He literally criticized that term

> he thinks that controlled op boomer civnat cuck faggot is /ourlad/
I think you commiecucks should go over to t_D because petercuck is /theirlad/ not ours.
He's anti-white af and shills his LOLsperg individualistic kike meme

they both rambled on while being very respectful to each other and at the end they both came together to say fuck political correctness and deplatforming

completely pointless from a capitalism vs marxism point of view but still pretty comfy and a great fuck you to sjw's to end it all

Brainlet

This. Zizek is a genius and what he said is a wealth of information. You just have be open-minded and listen sincerely to what he is saying.

> the flag gives it away.

Yes, guess I should have written unfettered capitalism or capitalism with a human face.

Zuck got rekt

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Also blow helps..

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You leftist are the dumbest people in society. For some odd reason you are also the most narcissistic. Everything you just wrote has been talked about by Conservatives over 100 years ago. In some cases 2,000 years ago.

What you leftist idiots call "genius", we just call common sense.

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This projection is so long it could be a feature film.

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Sometimes in a debate it’s about who managed to make less of a fool of themselves, it’s possible for somebody to make zero good points and still come out on top if their opponent just came off looking insane or retarded

They're both Marxists nigger brains

I enjoyed the debate and learned alot from both sides especially their comments on happiness and envy.

Link to the full debate?

This. Peterson gave ground on happiness being tied to a middle class income ($40,000 I think). Sizec said screw Marxism, let's go with Hegel, and abandoned authoritarianism in favor of trade unions.

> conservatives
> common sense

Kek good one m8

The worshipining "ubermensch" and power fantasies are really faggy.

Ugh, I just want both sides dead at this point.
I hate all of you now. I have no place in this world.

Why? What's your deal?

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surprisingly accurate.
I've gotten off Jow Forums for a few weeks and my life is much better.
This place doesn't help you after you've taken what you can from it.
Get the red pill, then leave. The arguing with kikes and bots isn't worth it.

> 88
Honk honk brothers... à bientôt.

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just face the dragon faggot
your lobster cuck lost

Which Jew Marxist are we talking about? I see two.

I'm actually upset by the fact that Zizek didn't debate from a Marxist point of view. I think it was intellectually dishonest to the whole debate.

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babies first zizek pill
here you go
its also very structured for the ben shapiro small brains

he's been looking like hammered shit the last couple months. Not saying its an excuse but there might be some major medical issues going on

>accepts that Communism has failed everywhere in the 20th century
>accepts the objective benefit of free markets
>accepts the fact that societies have radically improved since the onset of capitalism
>accepts that China has had a "miracle" since accepting capitalistic standards
>commie thinks he's shilling for his ideology.

Wew, leftists are retarded. Zizek's points are (surprisingly) things I really agree with. Democracy has handed too much power to the common man, leading to the rise of unprepared leaders. And Capitalism has succeeded economically, but it has not assuaged the needs of the masses for leadership. He really isn't even a socialist

Where did I point out that I disagreed on those things faggot?

This is the actual truth. He claims to be an atheist, but constantly talks about the importance of Christianity. Opposed refugees. Drops redpills about the roles of Jews in Weimar, points out the ANC uses the race card against whites... Zizek is more authentically pro-West than literally any "Alt-Right public intellectual."

That commie and pyderastein didint talk about cultural marxism. If i wanted to listen who can bring better wealth to people i would listen debate with two economists

If you don't disagree with these points, what's the point of your memeflag? The USSR is explicitly the perfect example of what Zizek was speaking to when talking about the failures of communism

they both agreed with each other mostly, but it became apparent that JBP's use of the term marxism to describe "neo-marxist" postmodernists was clearly at odds with Zizek's qualified classical marxism. Zizek is also opposed to the same people that Peterson calls marxists, but because he doesn't think they're marxists.

Lol you think people like jbp here?

The lobster guy is a outspoken jew enthusiast and generally cuckservative scumbag, he should look for the boomer crowd, because he completely lost his appeal for us edgy internet anime-nazis.

Isn't that like the ideology tho? Like because something is common sense it's conservative by nature. Don't get me wrong I hate them but it's like the definition

The dude is on a carnivore diet. He can't be feeling that good.

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I started two threads on this but no one cared. /SCG/ and /ASG/ both were anti shill, anti tranny discord threads. No replies. Everyone was watching the "based" Ilhan Omar "wreck" Trump and Israel at the same time. Sure, trump is doing some jewy shit but the jews cannot be taken on with all their puppets, too. We must save this board from being renamed to /leftypol/.

You're referring to Stalinism, Lenin helped stabilize the country after the revolution and improved it with the NEP, it wasn't really communism but it allowed peasants to own and sell some of their produce on the side in the market, it worked pretty well until Stalin came along and removed the NEP. Why I'm still a communist is that I believe its even more possible with the technological advancements in the recent decades and as they accelerate will free people from labor and allow for us to return back to decentralized communes run through direct democracy, once we reached post scarcity and robots do all the hard labor, we can work less and focus on doing other things we enjoy and no one will have to go poor, its called fully automated luxury communism.

If we're talking about who 'won' in this debate, which comes down to who stumped the other one with a solid question, then Zizek won with the 'name some marxists' question.

Peterson won't name the Jews that want to subvert western civilisation (or any civilisation for that matter including their own). You know Peterson was stumped because he goes on the attack, and wouldn't let up as easy if the roles were reversed. As Peterson says 'be very precise in your speech', but his answer to 'name a marxist' was anything but precise. He has created a 'cultural-marxist' strawman which in 2016-2018 was a piece of the puzzle the mainstream was missing in terms of understanding what is wrong with the current politically correct climate.

But Peterson's failure comes from his own lack of specificity, and if you have been following his career since he entered the public space he has essentially gone the way of a stand up comedian. He started out as an edgy voice, took up an agent, and is now watching what he says (i.e political correctness) when it comes to getting to the fundamental issues with our society.

I will say however that Peterson established the groundwork for today's youth to understand Christianity and Christ via a meta-narrative story context, and his Maps of Meaning work is substantial as what it is: a map. But it lacks the final groundwork that cements everything together.

Logos. I'm still figuring this stuff out myself. I'm currently regularly viewing and agreeing with Owen Benjamin and E Michael Richards. I'm reading the Bible (more interested New Testament than Genesis), and starting to discover the breathtaking beauty of Christian thought and values.

wonder if him and his daughter have some kind of connective tissue disorder. I read their blogs about the symptoms and how they've managed it and it seems like that might be a good lead to figure out how to properly manage it. It would make sense a proper diagnosis hasn't been found yet, since connective tissue disorders have strange, seemingly unrelated symptoms and issues.

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>Self Help Pseudoscience
>Heglian Marxist Psychoanalysis
>"Fuck Political Corrects"
>"Now pay me my share of the take from tonight's show."

I should read those blogs since I never knew the reasoning behind their diet decision.

Once tr*mp leaves office things will get better.

>Except he did when he cited studies that revealed 30% of sciences and humanities are marxists.

lol peterson cucks are fucking desperate

This entire thing is so fucking dumb

I wanted a debate, instead I got two sets of disconnected lectures, with mild responses.

All you faggots trying to start shit one way or another probably didn't even listen to it.

Also kill commies

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Hi Satan, this

when has jbp ever said happiness should be the prime goal in life?

It’s pretty obvious that all this is cordinated from all the racemixing threads, to the “why doesn’t Jow Forums support (insert left wing position here)” threads, to the Drumpft Sucks circlejerking threads to the “based” minority leftie threads to the gay e-celeb drama threads, to the pro-gun control threads and to the “checkmate Jow Forums“ threads. The worst part is that everyone who calls this out is labeled a bot/schizo/Jew or a bunch of other shitty insults.

Nothing, both just stated their ideas, nothing new was said. There was no winner and no gotcha.

Contrarians shit on peretstien and commie fucks support zizek

Autists support peterstien and bitch about the stupid commies spitting mouth.

Jordan Peterson "if we add a billion more well fed niggers, their brainpower will be totally worth it "
1:40:00-ish

Also, capitalism cant save us, but JUDEO christian traditions can.

Jordan was there to make capitalists look retarded.

Well there is an emphasis on pursuing happiness in our capitalist culture, "do what ever makes you happy" but you can feel happy when you're wasting money shopping or when you're doing drugs and indulge in other hedonistic activities which can have negative outcomes, lead to bad habits.

"the liberal gaze that demonizes trump is also evil" Zizek 2019

lol

no its called a meme ideology

You forget ShsriaBlue and the likes

When people say happy they usually use it as an ignorant euphemism for fulfilled.

First and foremost, you have the right to believe whatever you want. But I think it's highly ironic that in this debate itself Zizek criticizes both the hyper-dependence on democracy (even referring to dictatorship being a regulating force for democracy) and the idea that technological innovation will lead people to pursue a higher good. So, you and your guy disagree.

Now to your points

>allow for us to return back to decentralized communes run through direct democracy,
you have never lived in a decentralized commune, nor has the vast majority of the human population in the last 2000 years. You have no idea if that would be effective. It's like saying we should go back to the paleolithic era.

>nce we reached post scarcity and robots do all the hard labor, we can work less and focus on doing other things we enjoy and no one will have to go poor, its called fully automated luxury communism.
This is a pathetic attempt to externalize the suffering of human life, which is something I have found in nearly all communists. This longing for the era where human misery, maladaptation, etc will finally come to an end. It will never happen. There will never be an era where all the hard labor will be done without humans having to move a finger. This is wishful thinking. I say this as someone who works in AI.

And even if it were the case, why do you assume my definition of luxury is the same as yours? Maybe my luxury is capturing a harem of rape slaves. Is that utopian to you? Why do you assume that all humans will come to the same ideals upon the absence of modern day necessities (i.e. work). Also poverty is always relative. There will always be poor people by comparison. If not in economic value, in other aspects (sexual relations, looks, etc). This is why comparing nations by GINI is dumb.

Just your usual commie bull shit. It should be resisted at all costs. Communists are the enemies of everyone everywhere they exist.

On what monetary basis will this fully automated luxury communism work? Gold backed world currency? Fiat? Every community their own currency to deflate / inflate based on arbitrary production growth? Its funny to me that most marxist have the mental horizon of a rice farmer allthough wanting to live in an IT robot age.