Question to lonely men

>Isn’t wanting sex exploitative in itself?
What the fuck are you talking about

This thread is pretty weak bait.
4.5/10

There's one user that keeps making these threads because the bait was taken once and got nearly 100 replies so figures might be able to replicate that shit every day.

>Help me understand why you think you(someone who feels good about fapping their prime years away while avoiding personal responsibility) deserve a girlfriend?

Because if I love someone I only see that person. But thanks to that I am kinda clingy? Dunno, but I actually want mutual something. Be it sex, be it love or whatever. If it´s just friends for fucking whatever, as long as it´s mutual. Hanging out together, laughing together. Shit like this.

announcing a report
yikes

funny how you think nobody is owed love and happiness, but you probably also think everybody is owed healthcare
in other words, you like the free market only when it benefits you

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You're retarded. It's an almost globally accepted fact that healthcare is a right except in third world countries like the United States. In your constitution it says everyone is entitled to LIFE - pretty sure that means the physical ability to live, nd what is that without healthcare. You yanks also claim the right to the PURSUIT of happiness - not happiness itself, as that is something that cannot be gained except through ones own means. Happiness awaits those who are willing to do something to earn it.

Anyway I agree with OP for the most part, except for lowering your standards in the name of sex. Dont do that, dont do it to get laid. Keep your standards, like who you wanna like. But you still gotta grab your tiny balls and go talk to that 10/10 you're nuts for. Dont settle for anything less than what you want. Youd be surprised at how many women are receptive to a man who actively wants them. Most men have no balls at all and many beautiful women become self conscious when men dont pay them attention out of fear or anxiety. Go for the fucking gold.

>is not an incel
>feels the need to post a thread bitching about incels on an advice board
talk about worthless lol...

>Le owe shit meme
I love it when people say life doesn't owe you shit then they bitch about free healthcare or go to welfare office

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I’m sure a decent amount have put themselves out there and had a negative experience/experiences that further reinforced their ideas of women and relationships. Not to say that they’re wrong about the majority of the modern dating scene being garbage. Its kind of like how poltards aren’t techniqually wrong that blacks commit more crime and a disproportionate amount of Jews in influential positions, but they’re wrong in assuming they’re all like that and it’s a grand conspiracy that explains why their lives are shit. I’m not an incel MTGOW, but that’s just my two cents from listening to so many of them.
Also why should they not be angry just because some aren’t explicitly looking for a steady relationship? Feeling unwanted even by sluts that ride the cock carousel is probably a good stab at the ego. Add that in with what’s most likely already a vain and garbage personality, a villain (women) to blame for their misery, and you’ve got some poor bastard spreading the gospel of womanhating and the glory of sitting alone in his room jerking off. I only feel pity for them. I hope the younger dudes spouting that shit grow out of it, but the wizards and above are probably fucked beyond repair.

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I don’t think free healthcare is comparable to free pussy. Having said that I don’t see majority of incels saying anything about being owed affection so not sure why the “owed” shit is being used when describing them. They usually seem the opposite, always finding new things to explain why they’re undesirable. Hope this is a bait thread because OP doesn’t even know what he/she/it/dog is speaking out against.

Let me put it like this user:
>Suicide and Murder (assuming the user is getting killed) is terminal and the user is no more, he doesn't feel pain, feelings or anything, he is dead and perhaps on his way to heaven or hell
>getting rejected is temporal, you feel that and you have to live with it, even worse if it was a woman you genuinely loved, cared about, and wanted to share your life with.
>that shit hits you hard and the questions pop up:
>"Was I good enough?"
>"Am I ugly?"
>"What is wrong with me?"
>"Will I ever find a girl like that again?"
>sometimes you will never know and that pain can be so great it damages your psyche and the desire to never feel that pain again may completely kill any desire to find women.
I know that because I have been rejected by women, either by subtlety, a plain no, flaking, ghosting, or worse, a violent one.
To this day I still feel the pain of wondering what the hell is wrong with me but I think at the end of the day I think I am just a broken person who was simply never given a chance in the social sense.
>tl;dr It's a lot more complicated than you think

First off, “deserve” is a word that doesnt belong in relationships. It is that type of mentality that created people like Elliot Rodgers.

As for what I bring to the table I have
>money
>a car
>muscles
Which helps but youll find that for a lot of us we are scarred of walking up and talking to girls we find attractive. Personally I think a lot of us can benefit from gaining more confidence through self improvement and using that newfound self belief to talk to girls.

Thanks for reading my blog.

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Rejection always hurts no matter who you are, but why let it fuck with you so hard? I don’t see how a mature level headed dude could honestly see someone he hasn’t actually been in a romantic relationship with for a bit as someone you want to share your life with? You prop these women up on a pedastle in your head so their perfect and their opinion is so indisputable as to make you doubt yourself and give up. Only person that you should put on a pedestool as a young single dude is yourself. I don’t handle rejection well myself but if I find myself dwelling on it for more than a week or two I feel like an immature pussy and tell it all to fuck off. It really is childish to let someone else’s lack of interest in you fuck you in the head that much. Imagine how bent out of shape you’d get over some real rejection like a breakup or divorce when you can’t even handle being turned down for a date. People sense that shit and generally don’t want the pressure of crushing your ego on their shoulders. Either pick yourself up like a man, get therapy, or end it. Life doesn’t ever get any easier so give yourself a chance instead of self loathing all day.

There's no spawn location for them. If you interact with people frequently and don't lose your shit when you find people you don't consider decent, then you'll likely bump into one.

Shut up faggot
I frankly stopped giving a shit about women, I never said anything about putting women on a pedestal. It's called getting burned out and tired of all the mental games and what ifs. The harsh reality here is that dating is a pain in the ass for most men.
The real kicker here too is that I am genuinely scared of being called a creep or getting a rape/harassment charge as well.
Goddamn I fucking hate faggots like you that think women can do no wrong

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Makes sense when the vast majority of dating advice is shit like "don't even bother until you've become perfect in literally every way".

Lol, this.

They aren’t willing to risk rejection.

>OP makes low-tier strawman
>Morons get baited anyway

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>but they’re wrong in assuming they’re all like that
Nah. I'm sure they know deep down that it's not 100%, but the problem is solved a lot more easily by removing 100%.
>it’s a grand conspiracy that explains why their lives are shit.
Also nah, there's no "conspiracy", it's out in plain daylight. Jews ushering in all these niggers and sand niggers and getting people to think "and that's a good thing". Jews perpetuating the idea that race mixing is the greatest thing you could possibly do (it's very rare to see anything besides racemix couples in ads or shows). It's only a conspiracy to people who don't want to see things as they really are. It's even called a conspiracy to get people to say "What? Naaaah man, conspiracies are for CRAZY people"

How about if I want sex, am not willing to acquire it, but don't complain?

Then his message isnt for you and youd be better off finding something better to do with your time

WRONG. The most common advice is just bee yourself.

>It hurts my feefees so it must be bait

>"Was I good enough?"
>"Am I ugly?"
>"What is wrong with me?"
Only a teenager or a sensitive bitch goes to this shit when they get turned down by someone, not someone who doesn’t care about women. The mental games and what ifs is common, but only really fucks with guys who put them on a pedastool. Fucks sake you even said you’re afraid of them thinking you’re a creep, which I won’t lie women do throw that term around loosely and unfairly, but unless it’s happened multiple times there’s literally no merit to it besides the fact that you think of yourself that way.

Never did I say women can do no wrong. I just said that you’re entire complex of being unwanted, too broken to love, and being mentally exhausted even trying with women is more than 1/2 of a you problem. I’ve dealt with countless manipulative strumpets and shallow basketcases including my own mother, but once I grew up I didn’t let any of them get to me or even entertain their little games. I actually became good at spotting that shit fast and knew they weren’t worth my precious time. Eventually started to meet decent women and it was worth it, if only for the purpose of disconfirming some of my biases. Face it, you’re just too sensitive to put yourself out there and obviously care way more about women’s perception of you verses your own. You hate yourself and have a disdain towards women for amplifying that. The absolute fucking state of people raised by single mothers.

>Help me understand why you think you(someone who feels good about fapping their prime years away while avoiding personal responsibility) deserve a girlfriend?
I don't think I deserve a girlfriend any more or less than everyone else who has one. I'm confused about the 'personal responsibility' part.

>What do you bring to the table that is attractive for women?
Evidently nothing, but I don't even know what it is they want.

>And why do get so angry over lack of sex?
If you wanted pussy bad enough you’d pay a hooker or lower your standards. Men who refuse to lower their standards end up 30 year old virgins who dream about becoming the next mass shooter or something.
It's not about sex.

>Nobody feels sad about your lack of female companionship, so why do you lot continue to cry about it?
I feel sad about it. Is that not enough?

>Most of you don’t want to be fathers or husbands, so what exactly is so bad about being alone?
Dumb assumption.

It’s called an ever radicalizing social agenda which Europeans are just as big, of not bigger, perpetrators of than Jews. It’s a big confusing world and all it’s hardships can’t be pinned on any one thing. Anyone with a high functioning brain eventually realizes this and only schizos, autists, and dumbfucks hold onto it. Espousing the same theories as peckerwoods and shit makes you seem like a brainlet with limited introspective ability.

I didn't "feel good" about fapping my prime years away.

I got consistantly rebuffed because being a virgin in your mid twenties + is a huge red flag and I get immediately rejected. I fixed my issues from my abusive childhood, but women still turned me down constantly because of the inexperience/ assumed problems it caused. So I just gave up.

How did they know? Do you have "I am a virgin" tattooed on your forehead?

I work full time and have my own place. This would be significantly more attractive to a woman, if the state wasn't going to take care of her and her bastards anyway.
It must be nice, being able to reproduce while being so completely useless.

I'm only slightly bitter. It's kinda like the state has provided incentives against miserable marriages. The only way I'll get married is if I find a truly beautiful soul.
Everyone else can consider themselves a slam pig for practice.

Maybe you are focussing on the wrong type of women? People from abusive backgrounds at times want to relive their experience on a subconscious level.

If someone truly likes you she doesn't care about your inexperience.

I'm not very good at lying, so I just tell them I don't have any experience but i'm willing to listen, enthusiastic, know more than you think i would etc. Plus i'm pretty sure my body will give me away with anxiety or some shit.

Maybe I was, but I don't live in a city so I don't have a huge plethora of options, not in the middle of nowhere either.

>Maybe I was, but I don't live in a city so I don't have a huge plethora of options, not in the middle of nowhere either.
Then chances are it's your taste in women. Men and women aren't that different in that regard. If you really are in a person you are happy to explore sexuality with them.

Women who can't stand "weaknesses" in men are the female equivalent to hypermasculine meatheads btw.

Ok, if I work up the motivation to try again i'll try different women.

Good luck! Some last advice: Try to take it slow. Look if she shows signs of liking you before you go all in.

>women
Man they can barely approach dudes, who aren't even really gonna care that much if they're awkward and will probably understand.

>I don't care about you
>Therefore you shouldn't care about yourself

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>Why are you sad about not being loved? Don't you know that no one cares about you?
Your post is a special sort of retarded.
What an individual desires is his own business. You can't take it from them, and it'll move them to be better.

How is wanting sex exploitative? It's instinct, there's literally nothing you can do about it besides taking hormone blockers.

People like to assume that if you're decent looking you automatically have a market to choose from. That's not how the world works. The way I see it, the only way you're ever gonna find true love is by befriending a girl while you're young, before sex matters, and by growing together. At a certain point, that option disappears. There's nothing you can do about that. For people like me, there's no motivation to get out there and smash because of that. So we just rot away on Jow Forums.

what the fuck are you ranting about you crazy person

Is it wrong to think that my issues make a searching for a relationship not worth it? For the record I am trying to improve myself.

>Every single fucking thread is filled with thirsty men who act like the world owes them love and happiness
It's anger against social oppression. I personally don't give a duck anymore, most people are completely insane and I really don't want to spend my life with anyone I've met but as a male we are constantly judged on our masculinity and now with tge increase of feminism we are ridiculed for it also. Its hard to be confident when you can be called a creep/looser/rapist just for looking sub par. Women discriminate against men based purely on looks because they have so much choice why would they take anything but the cream of the crop.

Sex is overrated

Pro tip: It's mostly men who enforce that masculinity-bullshit on other men. Majority of women aren't into it and in fact despise it. And yes, there are vain and cruel people in every gender.

>And yes, there are vain and cruel people in every gender.
Well it's extremely prevalent in females where I live.

You might be fixed on them and overlook the other ones. It's quite evenly distributed. For every braindead chad-"alpha"-type there is an equal braindead stacy.

>You might be fixed on them and overlook the other ones. It's quite evenly distributed. For every braindead chad-"alpha"-type there is an equal braindead stacy
Or you know maybe it is the overwhelming trend where I'm from even distribution does not exist no matter what side it comes from.

men who lower their standards end up in unhappy relationships and marriages, why would you wish that on anyone?
who hurt you, OP?

Well I can't speak for all guys making these threads, I have never made a thread in this site regarding social issues but I think some of these guys might either be underage and shouldn't be posting here or maybe they have mental issues and can't resolve them because of stigma or they can't pay for it.

I have issues connecting with people like some guys here do but in my case I'm pretty sure it has a lot to do with my location and while it sounds reasonable to leave somewhere I'll feel more at ease I can't because my family will probably break down. We're only a few left since my entire family was broken long ago. They keep pressuring me to stay here in this state, they think I can adapt to a life here. Truth is, I can't and I know I would've been much better elsewhere.

I actually have an exceptional situation and get upset about it sometimes. Also, most of the advice you'd probably give me in dealing with it is crap.

>Most of you don’t want to be fathers or husbands, so what exactly is so bad about being alone?
Can't speak for anyone else but society judges men harshly for not being with women. An immediate benefit of having a girlfriend is that other people start treating you as a human being.

>society judges men harshly for not being with women
No it doesn't. People who can't get a partner despite wanting to, get judged but other reasons obviously. No one gives a shit if you're single.

Yeah I know that feel user, it's usually the guys you're trying to meet that eventually label you for being a virgin. Women do it too, they probably won't tell you tho. In places I worked women think I'm gay and guys made fun of me for being a virgin because I'm not ugly according to them. Yeah, it's easy for them to judge just because I look good doesn't mean I feel it.

I don't think I deserve a girlfriend, but I want one.
Several things actually. My life is pretty good aside from this aspect and I would like to share this with someone.
I am not angry, I am lonely.
I am so far out of the realms of dating, paying for sex is not an option for me. I have lived without sex for so long, it is not something I think about on a daily basis. I want a girlfriend because I want a human being on my side. Celebrate the good times and get each other through the rest.
Sex is something women want men to want. Right now, I just want a girl to smile back at me.

>I am not angry, I am lonely.

That's good user, never let sadness turn to hatred. Nothing good ever comes from that besides maybe motivating you to improve yourself. I did that but the boost is only temporary. I don't like using my feelings this way.

Its Jow Forums homie. Theres alot of real life incels or people who almost never get laid here.

They are a vocal minority only.

>What do you bring to the table that is attractive for women?
Same thing that women bring.

Nah there is a lot of hidden bias against men without girlfriends
For example a man without a girlfriend at night is instantly assumed to be up to no good
Add a girlfriend to the mix and now it's a cute couple

Also men rarely get any sympathy for being lonely. If a woman complains about being single people are supportive, if a man complains about it he will get called entitled and instantly have the worst assumed of him.

That is simply not true, where did you get this from?

What difference is there between this post and a similar post by an incel generalizing all women?

When did being a lonely man suddenly start being also a terrible person?

Why are you even making this threat just to deride people and assume their entire lives because of one single trait?

>What difference is there between this post and a similar post by an incel generalizing all women?
One is statement is accepted by society and the other isn't

I'm speaking from my own experience. I like to jog at night and women quicken their pace and change sides when they see me by myself.
That never happened when I was just having a walk with my girlfriend.
If you don't think a group of mixed sex is less intimidating to other people at night than a group of solely men you're just being delusional for the sake of an argument.

The latter is granted harder to prove but I mean, this post is proof of it. I've never seen shit like this talking about how lonely women are entitled and have unrealistic standards and hate men.
And again, somebody saying "jeez men are fucking trash" is much more socially acceptable than someone saying the same about women.

I'm lonely but not "thirsty", so maybe not your target group. But as someone who's been there, let me try to answer some of your questions.

>Help me understand why you think you [...] deserve a girlfriend?
Seeing that a lot of other people have one. Also, not getting a reality check or criticism from the outside world makes you think you're God's gift to the world.

>What do you bring to the table that is attractive for women?
See above.

>If you wanted pussy bad enough you’d pay a hooker or lower your standards.
Again, thinking that you're the crème de la crème plays a lot into it. However, for most, it isn't about sex itself as much as it's the affection that comes with it. It's a basic human need and being deprived of it can cause some serious harm.

>Most of you don’t want to be fathers or husbands, so what exactly is so bad about being alone?
Isolation is a terrible way of living. Humans are social beings and there's a reason, people start talking about the loneliness epidemic (sic!).

You write like someone with a lot of friends and human contacts, so I advise you to go one month without meaningful social contact to see what it's like and what it does to you. If you don't want to, ask yourself why and you'll figure out why "incels" are like that.
They're toxic and manipulative people, yes. But they're like that for a reason.

I am 100% sure i dont deserve a girlfriend. I am mostly fucking happy when a girl i am talking to says they found a bf. It means they might get a chance of happiness.

However i am also not an idiot. World is a place full of contradictions, in two sentences a person can say "getting a girlfriend is not a video game where you do x-y-z and get a gf" with "what do you have to offer to a girl?".

I dont know alright, nobody taught me this shit and it is not like some girl will come and ask me out. My life is a joke i write to myself without knowing..

Shut the fuck up. We don't have to commodify and market ourselves to justify why we deserve love and happiness.

>I am 100% sure i dont deserve a girlfriend
Why put yourself down like that? Only true pieces of shit don’t deserve happiness in life so what makes you think you’re so bad as to be unwanted and undeserving of any one of the 3 billion women in this world? Getting a girlfriend isn’t winning the lottery. In fact there’s a good chance you’ll go through a good amount of garbage before finding someone worth a damn. Took some work but now I’m in the mindset of knowing most women would be lucky to have me and when I get rejected I see it more as they’re loss instead of instantly attacking inward. If you’re genuinely a good dude trying to make the best of life then there’s plenty of women out there for you no matter what stupid anectode the angry self hating fucks here throw at you. No matter how attractive, rich, or smart you are won’t help a damn bit if you think you’re worthless because you’ll always be finding another reason to explain why you’re unwanted. 90% of this board is telling guys like yourself the same thing over and over. It sounds like copy pasted basic as fuck advice when in reality it’s a universal fact of enjoying life.

>Why put yourself down like that?
I don't know dude, it just feels like i am off sync with people. And i seem to have a vibe where women are just weirded out? My life sure seems that way.

>what makes you think you’re so bad as to be unwanted and undeserving?
I would like to think otherwise, but i have my whole life testament to that. And now it feels a bit too late, too late for those awkward first times at my age.

>In fact there’s a good chance you’ll go through a good amount of garbage before finding someone worth a damn.
My romantic life sure does look like garbage at.

>If you’re genuinely a good dude
I would like to believe that, but i am suspect of it. One can never judge themselves honestly.

>if you think you’re worthless because you’ll always be finding another reason to explain why you’re unwanted.
I genuinely am trying to do better with this. Honestly, i am not angry with people. Not resentful or anything. However i am insecure when it comes to this i will admit. When your entire romantic history is failure after failure you think you are doing sth wrong, or you yourself is wrong.

Look i dont want to be all doom&gloom. I thank you for your message and am trying to improve what i can, learn to live with what i cant. Maybe all this bad history will lead to sth nice, it just hasnt so far..

That are quite a few assumptions you make there.
Being you must be boring

I seriously wish I had a reason to believe this blind optimism but I don't.

I deserve one because I'm better than other people who have one. If they can have it, why can't I

In what ways are you better?

How is sex exploitative if it's something both parties enjoy
It's not like you're conning a woman out of money or a material object she loses, you're literally giving her pleasure for free and all she has to do is accept

>Is it wrong to think that my issues make a searching for a relationship not worth it? For the record I am trying to improve myself.
>They'll create any rationalization to keep themselves from challenging that fear.
You think people with issues don't get into relationships all the time? You think you're so much worse than a drug addict or person with schizophrenia? You're not, and they're getting laid and getting relationships all the time. You're just scared and will grasp at any straw to keep from having to do that scary thing you know you should be doing. You have my pity but that won't get anyone horny for you.

Do you think cold approach is a good idea?

If that's your only option, yes. Doing something, even if it has a low chance of success, is better than doing nothing.

It's more likely that I'll earn the title of the local creep than score a date, though.

Men are raised to only look for emotional support from women so not having a romantic/sexual relationship can leave them with a lot less of their basic mental and social needs met. Women can struggle with this too but if were talking about large scale trends then that's a huge part of the reason men feel bad about having a sexless life so often.