Why is there no right-wing in Argentina?

argentina has been so deeply assfucked by the current administration mexico as actually doing better
we're literally worse than mexico right now

THERE IS NO WHITE PEOPLE

When will Harrods in Buenos Aires reopen?

probably never
the golden age has been over for decades
the dream is long dead

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Why and how is Macri actually doing worse than Christina? Is he some plant to ensure peronismo in Argentina forever? When I lived in Argentina, Christina was buttfucking everyone by not allowing any imports, letting in thousands of Peruanos and Bolivianos, and resettling villeros into small quiet towns. How has he managed to cock up Argentina even worse? I mean inflation was stupid high already when I lived there.

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macri has doubled cristina's inflation
the thing about inflation during the cristina years is that the unions always negotiated wages rises to be above inflation, so while it was wild, common people didnt lose its adquisitive power
> Is he some plant to ensure peronismo in Argentina forever?
he is a plant by the us embassy, wikileaks cables from the embassy have confirmed this
> Christina was buttfucking everyone by not allowing any imports
its called protectionism, this are measures designed to stimulate the internal market of an economy. for instance, trump is taking measures pointing towards this direction more or less
judging by the macro economical hard data during her years it actually did work for small business which are going bankrupt like crazy during macri's government. small bussinesses were the big losers of the macri era

>letting in thousands of Peruanos and Bolivianos, and resettling villeros into small quiet towns
eh, though they mostly held informal jobs statistically they tend to comit less crimes than the locals. the colombians are a different story tho, those dudes be crazy

Right wing in Argentina is moderate compared to the US. The far right has discredited itself in the past through the use of violence, among other things.

he basically made everything worse how is that hard to understand

>resettling villeros into small quiet towns
what the fuck.

Mexico is failed state overrun by armed cartels LOL

some of the free market economic policies macri has applied during his administration would be considered extremely wild for the republican party to even considered in the states. the republican party is actually a lot more protectionist of its local industry than macri's administration

mexico is a disturbing mess in ways so fucked up that hard to comprehend to the normal mind

and still they're doing better than us

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big bussiness are losing as well, probably way worse.
And just to show how fucked up we are, wages in cristina years were negotiated yearly. Now it's just every three months lol.

Thank remittances. I know there is a Saint Death. Is there a Saint Remittance? There should be.

>2% was all it took to acquire Meximutt genetics

Ehh I don'ylt know man. She did more than protectionism. I knew alot of small business owners go under due to sky high import costs.

When I was there people were smuggling shit from Uruguay and Brazil all the time because it was literally cheaper to buy stuff from smugglers than buy it at musimundo or some other store.

All people ever talked about was how Kirchner had robbed tons of money thru the treasury as well. Again, it sounds bad for Argentina no matter what. The people will go back to Peronismo wich will fuck them over for another 30 years atleast. Peronismo is not sustainable. You mentioned the union wage increases, but those are always temporary and actually fuck over industry long term. Well, maybe Argentina will win the World Cup.

In spite of his good intentions, the economy under Macri sucks, and has made clumsy and bad decisions several times. The government is way "morally better" compared to Kirchner, to put it in a way, that is his most redeeming facet, yet people need to eat. Fighting corruption does little to appease tempers when the economy is in such bad shape.

all evidence being leaked points towards a plan by the US to fuck up big business, make them go next to bankrupt so they can be bought for next to nothing by foreign capital

>t. Porteño

I was staying with some friends in some small towns in northern Buenos Aires province and crime kept getting worse and worse because Kirchner was resettling villeros into small towns to help ease strain in the villas. Its a common government tactic. The US government has done it with somalis and slavs for years.

Pinche mesero

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I believe the whole Latin America is leftist because it's always easy to blame our problems on imperialism.

Makes sense. I feel for you guys. I loved my time in Argentina, despite getting robbed when I exited a taxi in Rosario. Fuck chorros. I just worry that you guys will go back to Peronismo.

Well, in a way you are right about peronism, however it seem that this time peronism might have some moderate candidates, which imo will win the next elections. Not Macri nor Cristina.

Are you sure its the US or only them? I remember in 2014 or so, Kirchner borrowing a shitload of money from China.

>When I was there people were smuggling shit from Uruguay and Brazil all the time because it was literally cheaper to buy stuff from smugglers than buy it at musimundo or some other store.

yeah, every fucking cunt putting shit on sale in argentin thinks he's big shit and in its right to fuck the costumer left & right. but that's a cultural problem that goes beyond peronismo. what the cristina administration did to attempt to somehow attenuate this was a program of price control for basic products. which it actually worked quite decently

>All people ever talked about was how Kirchner had robbed tons of money thru the treasury as well
all of the corruption cases against the kirchners are, believe it or not, currently crumbling down as its coming to light that they evidence was mostly made up, and witnesses were being either brived or threatened. and now the tables have turned for macri who is currently shitting the bed
from the things you're stating as facts, i get the type of people that you were probably frequenting in argentina. they're mostly not very informed, or informed by media with very deep and real interests in running politics their way

artista
vine a mexico porque le mercado de arte aqui es mucho mas grande que el de argentina. ya que como todos saben, el mercado del arte se sostiene a partir del lavado de dinero del narcotrafico

chinamen were strategical trade partners, same as russia.
the us fucking hated the kirchners
anyway, evidence is currently coming to the surface. its mostly the US

I think the key is managing expectations. It often takes a decade or more for the economy of a country to improve or recover. I wonder if Macri tried to hard and fast to make big changes and the resulting economic shock has further destabilized the economy.

Es medio perturbador admitir que uno es parte de la cadena trofica que mata miles de personas en mexico al año lol

Wasn't Macri basically an "anything but left wing" candidate?

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Well, that is true, but common people do not understand such cycles. And anyway, the situation is pretty bad, it's not like you can just say "hey guys hold 6 more years while we wrap this up" lol

he was financed by the states and vulture funds. he didnt messed up
that was part of the plan
a relative small number of people struck it rich investing in argentina's central bank debt bonds
that was pretty much it

I guess he meant a "far right"

eh
you win some, you lose some

>currentnationaldignity.gif

He's taking out FMI loans to pay for gibsmedats and the Negroes still chimp out. Let that sink in.
Ignore SDbybTKv - he's either retarded or a shill.

Can you cite any evidence? I'm curious.

Also, I'd be interested to read some articles about the dropped corruption alegations. Its a little hard to believe since her late husband was confirmed to be corrupt as fuck and she got super rich during her time as president. I'm willing to learn stuff to the contrary. I did know that Obama hated Kirchner.

Also, I'd be wary of trusting China too much. Russia should be fine, but China is a "strategic trade partner" for Canada and quite a few African nations and a few friends have told me how China is buying up real estate and companies left, right, and center. Don't trust the USA either btw.

this is factually wrong and very easy to demonstrate

>i dont need to understand basic economics in order to expose my opinion
>math is for nerds and jews lol

the imf loan is actually destined to finance the debt bonds interest rates. this is public information

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I'm trying to keep an open mind since I haven't lived in Argentina since 2014. The chimpouts I remember though. I think it was in October of 2013 that the damn police went on strike nationwide. About 5 stores within 4 blocks of my apartment were looted and burned in those two days.

chinamen are by definition sneaky fucks
this is an undisputable fact

but still, trading agreements with the states are always fucking brutally one-sided so its actually a lot more beneficial to trade with russia and china

>Can you cite any evidence? I'm curious.
in spanish only. can you read fluently in spanish?

Yeah, I'm also fairly fluent in lunfardo if that helps lol. Its weird that Argentina would have such an imbalance with the US. Chile seems to do well with trade with California. Im going to sleep but, I am keeping this thread open if you end up linking anything. Goodnight all you Argies. I'd love to go back and visit your country if only I could get away.

Pic related was one of the funniest soccer taunts I saw during my years in Argentina.

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Well they were corrupt, lot of their minions are in prison already. Cristina isn't because having her in prison isn't worth the risk of the instability brought on by her far left supporters trying to topple the government to save her. IMO She's kind of fading away anyway, there is one thing peronism is good at, and that is replacing leaders when they find they have become worthless. Yep, 30% would surely vote her, but not the rest. I'd rather vote for Macri again than have Cristina as president.

That's normie stuff over here.

And we keep issuing debt because public spending hasn't scaled down, also to keep the peso on a leash in a bid to slow down inflation.
Public spending hasn't scaled down because gibs are being kept up with inflation.

>calls me out on the JQ
>says the jaurechist conspiratard who thinks this mess is just the decades-long keikaku of a sekret kabal

>all cases of corruptin against cfk are crumbling down. attorneys are admitting irregularities in the investigation, intelligence agents are ratting out against the agence. comodoro py has turned its back on stornelli. its game over, pal
there's shit loads of hard undisputable evidence coming up proving all the cases against the cfk administation were manufactured by the media, the us embassy and carrio. the countdown has began

google "d'alessiogate" "marcelo d'alessio" "stornelli" "olivetto" "daniel santoro" "fiscal bidone" "fariña"
a mixed combination of some of those in each search
and do not trust clarin or lanacion. they're in bed with the us embassy and the intelligence agency
as it is always the case, alternative media is the answer

Damn. Trying to sleep lol. Yeah, I haven't lived under Macri, but I remember life with Cristina. If I could vote against her, i probably would.

I met the Argentine ambassador to the US a couple of years ago. Cool dude and Macri appointed him, but as for chimpouts, I never lived in BA and friends told me its worse there. I remember some soccer chimpouts in Rosario and Santa Fe though. Fun times those. I didnt like getting mugged when I was on vacation is Entre Rios though. Fuck motochorros and their friends.

the percentage of the imf loan destined for gibs is a mere fraction, buddy
that's why your opinion is a meme
because its factually wrong

There's a constant low-key unrest that's kept at bay by syphoning gibs to unions, it hasn't materialized into full-blown chimpouts yet. Cristina was much better at herding the hoi polloi and could shoo them with sweet nothings and a complimentary chori.

>30% of public spending goes straight to gibs
>that's without counting the cancerous overgrown public sector, so in reality it's closer to 60%

No, I'm sure it's no big deal Paco.

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40%

>literally supports clarin after santoro has been exposed
>being literally this much of a cuck

depends on what you consider gibs
if by gibs you mean all type of social, including roads and small business loans, then yeah
if you mean money for poor brown people, like the auh, then its a much much smaller number

Live in a small town, 30% of my friends get gibs wthout working or having any disability, then complain about taxes. It fucking sucks ass in here man, socialism is truly cancer

you think gibs in argentina are out of control?
dude, its fucking pennies next to countries like finland, and norway. you know, the countries with the highest standard of living

anyway, judging by cristina's results next to macri's results, id say in the case of argentina free market has been more cancer than chemo
by a comfortable margin

I'm going to move to uruguay and smoke weed all day anyways so fuck it I guess

By right wing do you mean Chicago school economists?

mostly

and classic neoliberalism
y'know, all those policies every developed country is currently running away from

I think OP meant no right wing in the sense of no national conservative movement like AfD or UKIP. I need to learn more about economics, but I've done a little reading. You might enjoy the Managerial Revolution by James Burnham. Sam Francis later developed the theory a little further. I think it's a pretty interesting take.

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>no national conservative movement like AfD or UKIP
there's a shitload of that in argentina, historically
it's very engraved in national identity
OP clearly talked out of his ass

sam francis shit about the role of the state is interesting, in theory
but in application, specially in south america, it actually works pretty much the exact opposite way

Holy shit you're literally a radical communo-anarchist if you think those things constitute a real right wing.

from the people that brought you...
>nazism is actually left-wing

THIS SUMMER

>neo liberalism isnt right wing

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I meant actually right-wing. Only a fucking Argentinian artist living in Mexico could call a centrist cuck like Macri right-wing. Macron is right-wing next to Macron. The fact that these niggers think peronism is centrist to center-right and Macri is right-wing goes a long way to explain why Argentina is so fucked up and will continue being fucked up forever (while never taking responsibility for their problems). Honestly the country should have been nuked in the 40s, it's been a useless shithole ever since

In their demented heads Tony Blair and Bill Clinton are right-wing to far-right

There is but they're very old now. Most fled to Argentina on Uboats.

>Macron is right-wing next to Macron
wow
you sound brilliant

you actually believe free market economy with as little regulations as possible is left wing
go study the very basic tenants of economy if you want to be taken at least a little bit seriously by people who understands the subject

Economics don't dictate the right and left. That's literally a globalist trick. Social and organizational positions dictate one's place on the political spectrum.

You're just a retard beaner.

>Economics don't dictate the right and left

>i've never read a history book

they were right after all

BASED PERON WAS RIGHT-WING AND GREW OUR ECONOMY A LOT

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>peronists

>there's a shitload of that in argentina, historically
but the only real national doctrine and philosophy comes from peronism, hell even the worshipping of our founding fathers (from San Martin to Rosas, and even Sarmiento as weird as it sounds) was a peronist idea. And that's a problem because peronism could mean anything nowadays, from Biondini to Cristina.

pues ya ves, era mexicano de corazón; nada más le había faltado el mudarse para allá

peron wet his panties over nazism, this is true

but anti peronism is an integral part of the national identity as peronism is
its literally the other half

Because they are socialist, nothing more.
Argentina had a way better economy before the Kichner and the corruption they spread .

Even though Ludwig Von Mises has done a lecture there in the 50s no one caught his message, which means they're still caught under the "third-worldist" protectionist view of a short term democratic economy. Of course Brazil is just as fucked, with a political discourse so low it will need 30 or 40 years to recover it under optimist views. Basically Latin America is fucked even in the long term.

Please stop talking

god you're fucking retarded
its been the same way for decades
33% staunch peronism
33% staunch anti peronism
and then there's the retards that choose their vote on election day that actually elect presidents

you're an idiot

Isn't the whole free trade vs protectionism argument effectively a prisoner's dilemma. Free trade is better if everyone does it, but protectionism works if I do it.

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good night ladies. dont forget canada is retarded