Eurosiberia is a theory putforward by Guillaume Faye in his book Archeofuturism to promote hat he thinks is the future of Europe, or at least what he thinks is ideal.
>ESF is NOT a single state >ESF is NOT the EU or a model like it >ESF is a federation of European states >ESF allows Sweden, Britain, Norway the Netherlands etc to all keep their kings >ESF would see larger countries like France broken down into autonoumous regions >ESF member states form a larger decision making body not unlike the Confederacy in America >ESF is racially homogenous >ESF is Autarkic >ESF is Imperialistic >ESF is technologically futuristic but shares nothing with the third world, due to population concerns >ESF keeps its borders closed but maintains good relations with others >ESF keeps a tight control over its economy, imposing tarriffs of goods etc to stay self sufficient >ESF keeps nations free and unique, but also bind them in a strong alliance >ESF is founded explicitly for White Europeans
This map does not show a racially homogeneous state
Zachary Carter
Mostly it does, and if you wanna say finns are not white id say that is splitting hairs
Nolan Roberts
It sounds nice, but you forgetting that if you don't control money then you lose from beginning. if banks make the rules and you are dependent on dollar pricing there in New York where they can inject any number of money into stocks, then you aren't really autonomous or self-sufficient. Why do i need tariffs? That's pretty retarded. We don't need money. Trade should be done with resources or work.
Wyatt Russell
No I'm saying that southern Italians had their chance to be white along with the Spanish
Juan Russell
you can control your own money supply here for sure. You can set ESF to a gold standard or a bimetallic standard or anything you would like. Tarriffs can be a good way to curb the excesses of capitalism, and protect European jobs so that cheap chinese goods don't take over, for example.
Would you sacrifice the idea of a Federation explicitly for white europeans on the basis of less than 1% of them being kind of sketchy genetically? Bear in mind that right now, you have a Europe that has no cohesion and is letting immigrants invade it almost everywhere outside of the Visigrad states and a handful of others. Surely it is worth the cost of founding an explicitly European Federation?
Colton Perez
You don't need gold or money, but if you want money you set it to exact number of people working. Why backup money with another money? That's what gold is. It should be country's job to only have jobs that are beneficial, then you don't need all that tariff, gold and other nonsense. People should vote how much food, buildings and what kind of food, buildings they want. People forget what the job of mayor and politicians is in democracy, to follow what people want, to create than and not a millimeter more or less.
Cooper Sanders
>>ESF is NOT the EU or a model like it
Lol. Yes it is.
Gavin Flores
England should be excluded
Jose Evans
EU isn't a federation, since member countries aren't autonomous, they are given laws by EU, UN, OECD, NATO, they need to pass, else their economies get wrecked. Basically we aren't allowed to leave EU, UN OECD and NATO, since they will punish us.
Daniel Myers
IRA's active measures are getting more and more deranged, following US and UK's appetites, it seems.
Charles Williams
that's interesting user, you think there should be a labour backed currrency like in NatSoc Germany?
Also, the tarriffs have nothing to do with the currency. They are to control imports to make sure you stay autarkic.
Daniel Watson
Sorry but any Union that allows third worlders/eastern Euros to swarm to Germany or any Union that allows massive ammounts of Immigration to Germany is a shit union that deserves to be wiped from the face of this Earth.
Nathan Ross
It migth came to be. Eurasia vs the Ameicas.
Austin Bennett
There should always be a labor backed currency, but only useful labor, that which people voted to exist, then it should be available for people to pick out of free jobs. Not like we have now, where investment money creates available jobs. Anything else than labor backed currency and labor decisions of workflow is corruption. Anything to do with money creation out of thin air or money manipulation of price is corruption.
Owen Scott
>since member countries aren't autonomous
If you are fully autonomous and can do whatever you want, then no federation makes sense in the first place.
Mason Green
fuck off we`r full
Gavin Campbell
Sure it does, the job of supreme government of federation is not to control countries, but to do what those countries want and have in common. Like i said before, the job of politicians/capitalistis isn't to create demand/decisions, that's the job of people. Politicians is employoed and boss is employed by workers, not other way around. Capitalism has everything illogically reverse. You should go to school for business after you got a specific job, they should teach you only that and you should never lose job, at least not as long as you can work, since your education should start after you picked the free job.
Noah Anderson
Since this state would likely the large scale expulsion of non Euros, then you might as well connect Greek Anatolia to Russia, even simply with a tapered section of land.
Lincoln Young
What's the IRA got to do with it?
plz no bully
did you read the OP? It is explicitly anti immigration. Also, constituant states are still autonomous, you need not accept even Eastern Euros if you don't want to.
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I thinkt he only way to get people working on useful stuff is through a central control body, not democratic votes. But I am very sympathetic to your idea overall. Is there a name for your specific system?
There are other uses for a federation user. The Confederate States were very much permitted to make their own laws and taxes, more even than states rights allow now. But they were unified to fight their common enemy. The ESF is more like NATO than the EU.
Levi Wood
The EU poured €1.6 trillion into Poland alone after it joined the EU and it still looks like a shithole. How much money do you think this project will require? Most of Siberia is still virgin forests with 0 infrastructure, it would all be built with your taxes.
Ayden Clark
There is always central something, if not then you can't punish murderers. Democracy is very simple, people decide, hire bosses/politicians, bosses/politicians write the laws, people check if it's all correct or needs changes, people review these laws of their concern every half year. Politicians and bosses should invent anything, their job is to prepare legal papers for people to review and be based on what people demand. That's democracy.
Adam James
lol, you don't need to take Euro immigrants from shitty countries, it's not the cucked EU.
The exact borders are very sketchy and Faye didn't actually prescribe Greenland being in there for example. It is up for debate of course. I think I would be happy ith just getting up to the Euro-Asian border back and allow genetically european people the right to return to Greece.
Cooper Bennett
*Politicians and bosses shouldN'T invent anything
Connor Nguyen
I'm serious, England isn't compatible with Europe, too liberal and jewish. You make your own club with the US and Commonwealth. Those are two distinct civilizations fighting to the death. The mainland one is losing to corruption for now but it seems like shit's about to hit the fan
Landon Phillips
It is not an EU style federation for the sake of nation building. It is like a micro UN or NATO arrangement. Each state is permittted to go about there business the way it needs to. We don't need to have developed Euro states buoying up other states.
Dominic Reyes
> job of supreme government of federation is not to control countries
Lol.
This must be the funny part of the internet.
Julian Flores
>did you read the OP
Yes i did and it sounds like a fairytale to me. You know how it will always go with "unions" it will go that way that there will be a few developed Countries with good Wages that will have to pay for the rest of the "union" and will do the heavy lifting and with lesser developed Nations constantly trying to get to these developed Countries. Also who is going to lead it? sure will be fun getting ordered around by a foreigner.
Jace Jenkins
i would prefer something less democratic, but the ESF allows all states to run themselves however they wish.
Take a look at your own liberalism and jewish control first my dude. At least we have limited Syrian immigration to about 2000.
Because that is all that matters to you Anglo cunts.
Maybe you want to leave the EU first?
Eh?
Hunter Edwards
thanks fag-bro
Jonathan Cox
>Also who is going to lead it?
Lol. You need to ask?
Jaxson Baker
the user was talking about his worries that an ESF model is too similar to an EU one. It is an on topic reply.
Because other peoples business is all that matters to you Kraut cunts.
Maybe leave other nation states (and anons and their replies) alone first?
Oliver Russell
It is a federation, it is lead by each nationsal leader with a UN security council style body for leaders to decide about diplomacy betweenteeh states. It isn't a Continental Emperor situation.
As for the development issue, you have no obligation to help make a place like Ukraine more developed. Just like how States Rights in the USA (under the CSA at least) didn't extract Texas' wealth to pay for Mississipi's development.
Logan Butler
Yes, it's funny to Christcucks who don't understand the concept of self-determination of self-decisions and need a supreme god to tell them when to jump and how high. In democracy people say to employed politicians and employed bosses how they jump and how high. So you know you don't live in democracy when you don't even decide by voting who moves into your neighborhood or what they build in neighborhood. If people want to grow 1st quality meat or have a forest to hunt there shouldn't be any McDonald's or supermarkets being built in your town. Nobody asked us, so it's not democracy.
Asher Morris
>It is a federation, it is lead by each nationsal leader with a UN security council style body for leaders to decide about diplomacy betweenteeh states.
What is the European council, you Anglo cunt.
>The European Council is a collective body that defines the European Union's overall political direction and priorities. It comprises the heads of state or government of the EU member states, along with the President of the European Council and the President of the European Commission
In capitalism money = economy. In capitalism if you can't sell it's the same as if you didn't produce and also people don't decide what is produced and also people throw things away when they lose in competition. Collateral damage, competition is all corruption, all money manipulation to keep elites in boss chairs. Democratic decisions don't need competition, only production of what was decided. So what is EU? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union >The European Union (EU) is a political and economic union Politics = decisions Economy = money Union = countries = Money decisions over countries. = Bank decisions over countries. = American bank decisions over countries, since: investopedia.com/terms/c/convertible-currency.asp >A currency that can be readily bought or sold without government restrictions, >The most convertible currency is the U.S. dollar. It is the most traded currency in the world, central banks hold the U.S. dollar as their main reserve, and a number of asset classes are denominated in U.S. dollars meaning payment and settlements are made in U.S. dollars
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund >The International Monetary Fund (IMF) is an international organization headquartered in Washington, D.C., of "189 countries working to foster global monetary cooperation
Nicholas Morales
>What is the European council, you Anglo cunt. And it serves the iredeemably liberal technocratic and Jewed EU. The ESF is founded explicitly with European sovereignty being maintained in mind, whilst also forming an unbreakable wall against the third world. Even if they had the exact same overhead model, the EU's is iredeemable. Also, any constituent member is completely BTFO'd if their interests go against that of the other states. It is homogeniety, not unity.
Zachary Fisher
each state gets whatever government it wants. You can have that for Finland if you wish.
Christopher Bell
If EU failed misserably, what makes you think that an union with Russia would go well of all things?
who said anyhting about the EU being desirablle? Why are you so adament this thread is created to push EU values. The EU is to the ESF what the Union was to the Confederacy in 1865. You are still pushing this narrative that there is no difference. Is the EU the nly possible model for united european leadership? no, it isnt.
Cooper Miller
I think the way the EU is moving towards a one state is what is going to finish it off, like the one currency, borderless movement, EU army. the ESF is explicitly pro-nation state. Also, the ethnic policies that govern it are powerful too, something the EU doesn't have.
Michael Price
Forthose confused about how similar the ESF is to the EU, take a look at Faye's own rough definition of it:
An excerpt: >Eurosiberia must be founded on the principle of the “separation of peoples.” Each one in its place, and in good relations with its neighbors, if possible. The economic model, which breaks completely with today’s “globalization” and planetary free trade, follows the principle that each civilizational realm must be self-sufficient. It is the economic theory of the autarky of great spaces that I developed following the work of the German Historical School and of Maurice Allais, a “third way” that simultaneously rejects the old obsolete capitalist and Marxist paradigms. To each group of peoples its own economic, political, and ethnic model.
Adam Brown
White people could terraform Siberia into a paradise, but then all the muds would just go there for free shit So wouldn’t be any different
Carter Cruz
true, we could do an awful lot there, but I think a strong immigration policy and an explicitly Pro-White federation would solve most of this.
Carson Rogers
Sounds like Eurasia from 1984.
Pass
Jackson Long
It isn't a single dictatorial state. It is more like NATO for Europe and Russian Asia.
