Hello Jow Forums, why the fuck do your dumbass (american) discussions go like this
>hey let's have universal healthcare like practically every country in the world
no universal healthcare is socialism
>ok but nordic countries are doing really well so maybe we should give socialism a chance
they're not socialist they're capitalist
>ok so they're capitalist with universal healthcare, can we have universal healthcare
no that's socialism
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we could fit your little excuses for countries itno texas alone
you could probably fit it in your belly
Because you don't matter
neither do you
I don't in this case, I just think the ones going bankrupt for hospital bills matter
Socialism only works for a limited amount of time, in majority white societies, with strong borders and little/no military expenditures
The US checks none of those boxes
Why does every argument with a Euro flag goes like this
>free healthcare and college lmao
>its not actually free
>yeah but it works in >90% homogenous white countries with under 10 million population why cant it work in yours?
needs to go like this:
>>hey let's have universal healthcare like practically every country in the world
BANG! BANG BANG BANG! *tac-reload*
I don't know, I never mentioned the word "free"
I don't think you should jump straight into the nordic model but I think universal healthcare is a big enough deal to strive towards.
>yeah but it works in >90% homogenous white countries with under 10 million population why cant it work in yours?
I thought canada was bigger and more diverse?
Universal healthcare is socialist and it is functioning in Nordic countries. However we Americans see people from these countries with Universal healthcare coming to the US for care. They pay out of pocket for care they could get for free at home.
So while the American healthcare system lacks an uncomplicated way to pay for it, it excells in the aspect of keeping patients alive. The exception to this is our one health care system that is socialist, the Department of Veteran Affairs....which has a habit of killing its patients.
>socidlism
don't forget that c is also pronounced as s
>sosidlism
they need reeducation
What the fuck is socidlism?
hello russian assets
Well, actually I'm investing in Russia, so that's technically true.
>investing in russia
I guess you're a true socialist and hate money
Guess again.
>reeducation
>reeeduction
>reeeeeducation
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>socidlism
Isn't universal healthcare with the possibility of specialized out of pocket care for richfags the dream?
I don't see why they'd come to the states for regular care. As an anecdote my dad had a brain tumor discovered and was in surgery the same evening (ambulance ride to the capital 300km away) which didn't cost shit
>hey look, everyone else cut their dicks off, why don't you?
Nah, we're good.
But americans already cut their dicks off?
Most Americans are fat and deeply retarded. No point in discussing it with them.
Funny enough, the only Americans who get the point of universal healthcare, are the Libtards in the sanctuary cities, but their model with endless immigration could never sustain UH. So they're equally retarded.
That's why America is such a shithole - it's full of idiots.
Honest answer?
Tl;dr: niggers
Nobody wants to take care of niggers and spics. That is pretty much the only reason that whites dont vote for it and we dont have it. We cant appear racist though can we? That would be terrible. So everybody comes up with some bullshit as to why it's a bad idea so they can continue to tiptoe around being racist while "justifying" their stance.
>I'm an autistic Fingaloid, analogies are not my strong point
Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you
You assholes unironically made our system worse. Much worse. Less choice, worse medical plans, more expensive. You should mind your own fucking business honestly. You cunts know nothing about America yet think you know everything. I know people that previously had insurance that no longer could afford it and had to pay for the privilege of not having it. Your a bunch of cunts pretending like your saving the world, making it much worse.
We basically already have this though. People too poor to have insurance get treated under medicaid. Typically they don't have the options a person with good insurance will have.
I keep hearing euros saying their sate funded health care sucks and they have to have supplemental insurance anyway, so I don't see how they are different from the US.
I understand analogies but it's a fairly ironic analogy
>I know people that previously had insurance that no longer could afford it and had to pay for the privilege of not having it.
well yeah, isn't that a huge downside of having an insurance based healthcare system?
what does medicaid cover compared to a good insurance?
Personally I'm pretty well off and I use private health services for the most part but in my youth the public services helped a lot.
>You assholes unironically made our system worse
The Heritage Foundation created the blueprint for it, and it was little more than a massive bailout for the health insurance industry, with only some modest improvements demanded in return by the Administration.
The poor were just the conduits through whom the bailout money was passed.
>their sate funded health care sucks
You can't detect problem-reaction-solution plays when you see them?
That was the results of what Obama did not how it was previously.
Nothing he did was anything like any universal healthcare system.
What he did was try to force people to buy private insurance.
>no that's socialism
said no one ever. Pathetic strawman.
The USA can't, couse they would have to cut military spending in half and implement a 25 % sales tax. There is probably more, but those two a reason enough
also this
It's very easy to get healthcare in the US you dipshit.
You get health insurance just by working at fucking pizza hut.
>ok but nordic countries are doing well
Nords that migrate to the US make even more money and live better.
Isn't the US already spending more on healthcare per capita than most nations?
>You get health insurance just by working at fucking pizza hut.
every single country on earth has unemployed people, even the mighty pizza hut can't employ all of them. Imagine being born into a shithole household that doesn't even have access to proper healthcare
>Nords that migrate to the US make even more money and live better.
I could do that but I feel it would be selfish considering what my nation has already invested into me.
Maybe its not Socialism, like the pic you posted reads. Maybe its Socidlism.
>End of convo
>Isn't the US already spending more on healthcare per capita than most nations?
it they want to keep all those restrictions and so on, they would have to increase taxes or cut other sectors.
Then we are back here
our lack of “universal” healthcare is the only thing sustaining yours, ya fucking retards
ok
t. not even in nato
They are just extremely conditioned by kikes to hate everything which can endanger (((their))) profits
oh look, another faggot europoor thread
here how socialism work
>be yugoslavia 1945
>since your population is favorably monarchy and conservationist send them to re education camps to "peacefully" force them to be right ideology
>1950 everything nice even break free of soviet influence and focus on american
>now both us and sssr spend money to support us
>1960 free healthcare free school free vacation free food free housing also guaranteed job
>1970 economy is not strong enough to support everything causing tito to borrow large sum of money
>1980 hyperinflation and huge debts hits yugoslavia
>ok so how can we fix economy asked random guy in parliament
>tito died
socialism utopia achieved
Hi user, that's a strawman which literally never happens, because the left can't win a reasonable debate.
So. Lies.
>Murka
>Free market
lmao
the entire idea of free market is an utopia not unlike communism
when you have entities or even personas with so much monetary wealth that they can singlehandedly sway market any way they want to a very high degree with natural buying and selling alone you already have the market in pocket of these entities, simply because they themselves can cause waves which they themselves then will surf to gain more profit
and this is not taking into account other means of market influence they have with their money, like propaganda, political sronsorship and so on and so forth
free market capitalism works only on low level, on high level you can overstep the rules to become richer and none can stop you
and all of this rests on the idea that selfish individualism is the only drive of the behaviour, if we now imagine that there is a (((tribal relation))) between some of the richer people the entire system cases to represent whats going on and why
If the US was entirely white it would have had a federal budget surplus of between 0.8 and 1.8 trillion every single year for the last 40 years.
Each white contributes a net of approximately 7,500USD to the federal government each year. Each black contributes a net of approximately -9,000USD to the federal government each year. Each hispanic contributes a net of approximately -6,000USD to the federal government each year. This is the cost of “diversity” incurred by the white America without accounting for the cost of incarceration of the prominently non-white criminals, law enforcement to countermand predominantly non-white crime, and the more generous state and city welfare systems which almost entirely benefit non-whites alone.
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That's why faggot.
>the entire idea of free market is an utopia not unlike communism
kek
>when you have entities or even personas with so much monetary wealth that they can singlehandedly sway market any way they want
unlikley with compitition. The more you buy off the more expensive it will get. The less there is of x the more expensive it will get. Not only natural resources, but companies.
>free market capitalism works only on low level, on high level you can overstep the rules to become richer and none can stop you
if you get rich that means free markets don't work.... kek2
>taking into account other means of market influence they have with their money, like propaganda, political sronsorship and so on and so forth
free markets are against goverment intervention
>if we now imagine that there is a (((tribalrelation)))
there is none, they are all competitors. With free markets there would be even more competitors.
Why the fuck do you eurofucks care about American health care so much? If your countries are so much better then be happy you are better than us Americans.
Unless of course that is not truee which explains your feels to spread it to us.....
Neegerland :D
And if we succeed in exterminating all kikes, niggers, spics, saracens, libtards, and faggots we'll have the means to slaughter billions and conquer half the world in a year.
And then in that white nationalist empire there will not be any universal healthcare, or free college, or welfare state even though we can afford it. We are not the Germans, there will be only strife, hate, and war. That's how we like it.
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Healthcare is a private matter which does not involve the state. That's the actual end of the matter.
Because it's hugely profitable, they pay the largest percent of their budget in the developed world and are raised to think that is okay.
>kek
what an argument
>unlikley with compitition. The more you buy off the more expensive it will get. The less there is of x the more expensive it will get. Not only natural resources, but companies.
well good thing they dont compete since lack of competition gives both of them more money than competing against eachother would
and i already told you abouyt cycle of purposeful wave creation - have so much money that buying out creates noticable prise rise, you now have both lots X and the prices of X rised because you bouth it out, sell X make money literally ignoring any kind of trends because you are the trend
>if you get rich that means free markets don't work.... kek2
if you starve that means communism dont work, kek2
the entire point is that this free market of yours just doesnt happen in reality for the same reason communism doesnt happen in reality - people dont do what ideology thinks they do
>free markets are against goverment intervention
there are lots of ways to influence people even without any kind of government - propaganda, fake science consensus, bribery of authorities, none of this need a state to exist
>there is none, they are all competitors.
ah i see, you live in a world of delusion, that explains it
Isn't it? What about education? What about law enforcement?
Is it really the state's business that someone stole your bike?
Love it when Marxists only accept the Marxist definition of socialism when socialism existed before Marx and various systems of socialism prior to Marx weren't revolved around the centralisation of the means of production
Socialism is cancer.
Socidlism? What's that?
According to americans it's when tax money is spent on thebwelfare of citizens
According to conservatives in the US, ALL socialism is "left wing"
And yet they love Israel, because their government is "right wing"
And yet Israel has universal health care and 50% income tax
Universal healthcare is dysgenic.
Healthcare should be very expensive, and people who can't afford it should die.
Reminder that our current healthcare and social services + general securoty is going to shit.
It's not good anywhere and I'm not sure what current system I'd prefer to live in.
hey OP are you Finnish Maoist on youtube?
No I hate socialism
I'm just perplexed how americans consider any additional social programs as socialist while the current ones are pure freedom and capitalism
I live and Sweden and I'm a pure Swede.
I can tell you a couple of things.
The things that are socialized in Sweden simply doesn't work.
We have the longest hospital queues in Europe.
Our welfare system has completely crashed due to mass immigration. It's very hard to get money out of welfare now.
Police and fire departments are heavily undermanned.
Local institutions doesn't work. Nothing with socialism works here in Sweden. It once did, when there wasn't 1 million immigrants taking advantage and draining the system. So no, socialism doesn't work here either.
Also ur dumbass picture says "SociDlism". Just putting a random Cyrillic letter in there doesn't mean it sounds the same because they look the same.
>I'm just perplexed how americans consider any additional social programs as socialist while the current ones are pure freedom and capitalism
Well it's very simple:
When people argue about politics, they don't argue honestly. The facts change to suit the disagreement, and to get the result you want. For example: I doubt the argument in OP ever happened. Instead i think you just made it up to illustrate a point.
What kind of neetbux does sweden have now? Our rats still enjoy ~1000e/month
>what an argument
whenever communism was tried it ended in human disaster
>well good thing they dont compete since lack of competition gives both of them more money
then the only reasonable thing would be to ease the restriction, so everyone can enter the markets.
>buying out creates noticable prise rise
for them, for the buyer. For the one who want's to buy out all of X. Point is, it would impossible to buy out all of X since the remaining X would be so too expensive. You would also have to deal with compition on the same time.
>the entire point is that this free market of yours just doesnt happen in reality
nah it more or less happens. See it as a spectrum;
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>there are lots of ways to influence people even without any kind of government
agree. But do know what happens if a company cheats? It would have to deal with a massive PR disaster and people will boycott it.
>there is none, they are all competitors
apple and micosoft
amd and intel
burger king and mcdonalds
mercedes and bmw
H&K and walther
but i live in a world of "delusion"
I wouldn't say my OP argument is common even in your usual conservatist circles but people like steven crowder on youtube with close to 5 million subs say dumb shit similar to it wiyh fans to back it
So I wouldnt be surprised if ~over 7 million people in the US thought this way and that's more than my entire country's population
nordic countries can only sustain "socialism" while norway exports oil. after the oil runs out, they'll go bankrupt and the others will follow as their economy is parasitic to norway.
I don't want public healthcare. The more foreigners that push it the more I resist. It's funny many even use it as an excuse to not immigrate, and I think that's great.
what I do want it it not to be tied to my employer any longer, and low prices if at all possible.
Do you think norway gives free oil to sweden/finland/denmark? lmao we dont get shit
try having a country full of spics and niggers and then try to have your gay little healthcare system. your welfare state would collapse in a fucking week if you had to deal with the leeches we have here
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themselves largess (defined as a liberal gift) out of the public treasury. From
that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the
most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always
collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship."
im not going bankrupt for hospital bills. 100% covered by insurance because im white and have a professional job.
in your country everyone goes bankrupt for taxes. What's your tax rate faggot? 55%? I make 80k USD what would be my tax rate there for the free medicine?
My overall tax rate is around 54% including VAT (at 60k euros/year)
It's pretty rough and with my career I'd be much better off in the US.
That said I still appreciate the healthcare and education that got me to this point regardless of what kind of family I was born into.
>why the fuck do your dumbass (american) discussions go like this
Why don't you faggots mind your own business? Jealous much?
wow so its almost like the money i would lose being taxed at 54% for the entirety of working from 22-27 would be as much or more than the 100k medical bill (which i still dont have to pay)
really makes you think huh
It really comes down to the point of which one values the nation/community over individual gain
Hardcore libertarians will scream about any taxes whatsoever, you're probably okay with your ~10% income tax and other payments and a full on gommunist says there is no individual wealth
Personally I'm okay with a high tax rate as the social programs prevent ghettos from being born (US ghettos are like fucking warzones) and I'd say have a good effect on employment.
I also think that in my country 6-12 months of basically slavery in the form of mandatory military service is justified for the security of the nation.
>free healthcare free school free vacation free food free housing also guaranteed job
NOTHING IS EVER FUCKING FREE YOU MONG!
>Is it really the state's business that someone stole your bike?
Yes, state enforces property rights.
>What about education?
Not a state matter, a matter for the family and ONLY
the family. Every other proposal is degenerate cuckoldry.
>What about law enforcement?
Law enforcement is consistently ordered to overrun its natural boundaries due to power grabs encoded in law, it is not LE's fault entirely that the law has become so corrupt and un-enforcable, it is perfectly fine for the state to execute some limited law enforcement function.
The political system model in your mind does not function in the subjective world. Your education is faulty. You will learn this the hard way.
Would you be for removing the school institution altogether? From what I've seen the homeschooling moms don't seem too bright
>neetbux
Our govt pays like 4000SEK-8000 which is about 400-800EU
Become a commienist! Commieworld is the next step from Clownworld.
>be toothpaste user
>waiting at lights in my well engineered Japanese automobile
>drunk boomer in Peugeot smashes into me
>wake up, try to pull pocket knife from pocket to cut seatbelt
>arm is not working properly. jpeg
>wake up in hospital
>you just had surgery says mountain jew doctor
>wine drunk boomer asshole died from wounds from my Prius's chassis
>laugh in hospital bed, ouch
Make full recovery, only cost me a couple hundred euroshekels
In the US I would probably be a debt slave now
are you advocating socialism?
nah just declare medical bankruptcy. you'll be back in order in a couple years no big deal really.
>VA is shit
>Federal Government is Trillions down the hole due to the entitlements.
>The U.S. is Scandinavia.
No.
Once we secure the Southern border, then we can talk.
>hey let's have universal healthcare like practically every country in the world
Most universal healthcare is shit.
NATIONAL socialism.
Your country has the 3rd highest amount of rich fucks in the world basically. You fucks can afford it even though there's sadly 320 fucking million of you mutts.
Or do you have a problem with the richest 1% not suffering a bit of financial loss to pay for your $50,000 broken ankle.
Ahem
>Niggers
That's why user, that's why.
Sure, but it's still better than paying $100,000 for a grazed shin
I don't need it and don't want it.
The government has no business telling me how to spend my fucking money. I hate this retarded fucking new world order where the government acts like my fucking master.
Don't go to the doctor or hospital and problem solved.
You should only ever go when you NEED to go. Wtf is wrong with you retarded fucks that you can't take care of yourselves?
Because the majority of the country is overweight with a significant amount being obese. Obesity has surpassed smokers in cost per person per year. Give obese people access to free healthcare and they’re more likely to live longer and further financially strain the system.
15% of Americans smoke and almost 10% have a drug abuse problem. We also have 20 million illegals, most of whom don’t pay it forward financially.
I would be completely on board with universal healthcare if it excludes fatties, addicts, smokers, and illegals; but everyone from those groups are the biggest advocates. I’m not going to pay so they can live longer with their degenerate lives.
why do you care?
you can't talk sense into these motherfuckers. they don't care about facts or reality, they only make arguments that seem to work in a bubble void of everything but their argument and the opponent's argument.