This was kino

JP isn't a rightist to begin with, he idolizes the Bolsheviks ffs.

It's just two autistic strains of leftism infighting, like China vs the USSR back during the Cold War.

>It's not real capitalism

ooh ooh aah aah nigger

Is this your brain on Jow Forums?
Calling the CEO of Amazon a marxist? Or are you merely trolling?

They didn't talk about the subject in question

its obviously marxist because the workers are suffering, duh

>everyone I don't like is marxist
As long as you are literally unable to understand the ideological and intellectual upbringing of the people you disagree with, they will tear you a new asshole in debates every single time.

>because it could mean the end of their business
only if unions and other socialists end them

Pretty much. Gillette is a communist company as well.

This is embarrassing to read.

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Peterson only really seemed to go in understanding Marxism as leninist-bolshevism and is too much of a brainlet to question any ideology on anything but weak practical grounds. Zizek's critiques of capitalism and modernity weren't particularly Marxist so they were kind of talking past each other on that front. Zizek doesn't want a Bolshevik revolution so talking about why having one would be a bad idea was pointless.

When the discussion was more generally happiness, modernity and social critique Zizek absolutely skullfucked Kermit to the point where I kind of felt bad for him despite considering him a slimy shabbos goy whose job is to confuse idiots and drive them away from right answers and sanity.

See? This is exactly the kind of "Marxist" definition JP has.

>Progressivist
>Supports Dems, dislikes Reps
>Supports same sex marriage
>Supports leftist media
>Supports Green Energy
>Supports undocumented immigrants
You really need to get away from the idea that someone who is rich cannot be a lefty.

lol

you said he was marxist you actual retard

>all tech magnacorporates are a result of marxism in the 60s
I'll admit that marxism did see at least a rise in interest in the 60s and 70s as anti-government notions got strengthened by Vietnam, but any semblance of even applied socialism was struck down before it even left the womb in the 1980s.
How the fuck do you think we are currently living in a non-capitalistic marxist world? Seriously, how far removed from reality must you be to see the world we live in as "marxist"? Even Europe is predominately capitalistic with occasional applications of socialist mechanics.
What the fuck do you think capitalism even is?

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I can't believe people idolize this clown.

>Jow Forums in charge of knowing what Marxism is

>leftism, marxism, progressivism, liberalism, it's all the same thing
No.

nice meme, pull more shit out of your ass

based af

>he idolizes the Bolsheviks
Brother, I think you may be entirely mistaken about who JBP is. He's got a ridiculous hard-on obsession with Soviet era in-Russia counterculture, but that's far more a result of his age than of a love for bolsheviks or bolshevism, both of which he has a strong distaste for.

Jesus fucking christ.
How the fuck are retards like you even allowed to vote?
My god, as much as I'm gonna seem like a hypocrite, I truly feel dumb fucks like you deserve nothing short of societal isolation

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It was very interesting but it's definitely not the clash of titans it was pictured as nor was it Kino.

On a discussion of Marxism v. Capitalism, Zizek conceded all ground almost immediately. They agreed about most things. Even Zizek's pet topic of critiquing the idea of Cultural Marxism had Zizek accepting Peterson eventually as he brought up the critical theorists.

The whole discussion was terrible framed as Zizek was not going to defend Marxism and neither were going to focus towards happiness. Peterson came in with the wrong idea of who he who he was debating while Zizek had a good idea of Peterson and is the generally smarter person, so came off far stronger despite conceding more ground. His critiques of Peterson were all the best moments.

The most surprising thing is how much they rely on their enemies to define themselves. Nothing of Peterson is unique to him. His fame came from fight against SJW types and people hearing some ideas for the first time from him. Zizek is a relic of the 60s and also find a enemy in the same group as Peterson - the academic left (which comprise the SJW types). The moment they realize how much they agree they just divert to who the enemy is. Because neither have a way forward.

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Exactly.

>He is rich, therefore he cannot be a Marxist
Look at Marx and Engels themselves.

Workers suffering or not suffering has nothing to do with Marxism - workers were happy in Nazi Germany and unhappy in the USSR, which one was Marxist?

>understand the ideological and intellectual upbringing of the people you disagree with
But that's what I do. Today, nobody is right wing and most people are left wing because the reds control academia and media. Even if you consider yourself a 1488% Nazi like Jow Forums, it's glaringly obvious that your personal ideology is mostly leftist.
Also, I don't debate lefties, it's a huge waste of time because they will never admit when they're wrong.

See what I mean? You're not even trying to discuss something, you just see that you cannot debunk me and therefore get butthurt.

So he admits he's a Marxist? Doubtful. You're just a butthurt nigger or something.

This was a genuinely good conversation and they both seemed to come away from it with good will toward each other. I don't understand why Jow Forums and /tv/ think "X got destroyed!" or "Y got exposed!" Two smart guys talking about they're objects of study. I'm glad to have watched it.

Allowing open borders and undocumented migrants is a capitalist dream.

Peterson sends r*dditors into fits of seething rage so he is OK in my book.

This makes 0 sense and you're retarded.

Distaste based on what exactly?

All those things are based on Marxism.

Yes. Well, Marxism is the granddaddy, those things wouldn't exist without it.

Nah. He's a commie but doesn't want to admit it to himself, like 90% of modern rightists. That's literally all.

lol, again, you see what I mean. It's a waste of time debating you "people" because when you're backed into a corner, you just answer with retarded platitudes.

You know Peterson got obliterated when even the pro-JP reddit is going "H-h-ah, v-very c-compelling d-discussion, t-they both respect each other"

>You should read more books
Hahaha, healthy respect :)

Zizek was merciful enough to not completely humiliate the fraud and they take that as a win ROFL

Then why do leftist support it? All leftist, everyone all over the left side of the political spectrum is 100% for it.
While the actual rightists-nazis-fascists are against it.

What you're doing is seeing that immigration is disliked by the people, so you blame your own ideas on "capitalists", whatever that expression is supposed to mean at the moment.

>it is not a rhetorical way of saying; you are an idiot and you don't know what you are talking about
>zizek, 2019

>this is not true when faced with someone like Jeff Bezos.

My friend works for amazon as a computer tech and he makes fucking bank. Age 29 has his house paid off, own car, flies to japan every year. The only amazon employees that are shit on are the low skilled replaceable ones, as with any position that is easily replaced

Peterson is pure shabbos goy who only exists to convince lost-boys that SJWs are what's wrong with modernity and prevent you from thinking about creditors, so of course he has no actual ideas. Zizek on the other hand at least recognises real problems and knows what *should* be done. He knows the environment is fucked, he knows parasitic creditors are destroying our societies, but he can't really do much beyond pointing at Bernie Sanders and suggesting global action to unfuck the environment.

Peterson isn't smart. I feel myself getting dumber when he talks.

>All those things are based on Marxism.
that doesnt make someone marxist, you potato.

People want to play teams.
The most I think about this debate the more I'm disappointed in it, really. It was pictured all wrong. They agreed on most things. And what disagreement there was tended to get accepted eventually or left alone respectfully.

Are you retarded? Zizek destroyed any notion of cultural Marxism existing

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>Then why do leftist support it?
its almost like they're capitalists too.

>Peterson is wrong about free market economies because Bezos
It's hysterical watching you spergs try to discredit his argument about how things work MOST OF THE TIME by pointing to an exceptional fringe case. The guy who owns your local plumbing company or roof restoration company or McDonald's franchise didn't rise to that position of power by exploiting people. The internet is full of testimonies from people who worked for shitty bosses and, in retaliation to what they perceived as bad treatment, quit their job. Companies that serve bad products or service often fail. Peterson is right. Climbing the social ladder through brute force and exploitation may happen, but it's not typically what happens, and when it does that person's life and work is characterized by instability.

>all leftists of all spectrum
>literally 99% of democrats in office have supported a bill on limited immigration at some point
Stop getting your news from Jow Forums and The_Donald.

>marxist
>intellectual
pick only one

let's his workers income get subsidized by the state (eg: welfare)

This is some high level reality denying cope if I ever saw it.

>But that's what I do.
No you clearly don't, you conflate everything you don't like into one homogenous group that you are thus unable to understand and debate because you refuse to understand or read about the differences in ideologies. You claim to despise the lefty-dominated academia and understanding them, but you don't understand their ideological basis and why it became so popular. You conflate marxism with progressivism, post-modernism, relativism, liberalism, and a fuck ton of other shit as if it was one big unified baddie. That's why you don't debate lefties, because as retarded as they are, they don't have anything to do to have you make a fool of yourself, because you don't know what you're talking about.

>giant douche vs a shit sandwich

Zizek would hold his own with Chomsky. Peterson is retarded and would be humilliated by some retard like Ted Cruz. Zizek completely obliterated him and I think he realized Peterson was scared and begging for mercy

What does that make lobstergod then?

Jeff Bezos only exploits workers that live in Marxist countries, so what is your point?

What did he say against the use of Marxist categories by the critical theorists then.

most likely trolling but while most people participating in free market economies aren't jeff bezos, has the share owned by the jeff bezoses of the world grown or shrunk as we've adopted more and more of these principles?

Are you implying progressives have ANYTHING to do with old socialism and the actual left? Christ what a fucking idiot, americans truly are the dumbest fucking people on the planet

*globalist libertarian

? What the hell are you talking about m8.

Charles Koch is as capitalist as it gets. He's into some super libertarian beliefs like people should be able to voluntarily sell themselves into slavery. He hates Trump's anti-immigration rhetoric. Free immigration = a huge pool of labor that will work for peanuts. It means cutting wages at your companies by 80-90%. This is why older conservatives like Reagan don't care about limiting immigration. It's only the white nationalist shit that invaded the right that wants isolationist policies and a white ethno-state. You have to realize you're too young and too ignorant of history to understand what's actually happening out there.

>Jeff Besoz only exploits workers in Marxist countries

America is Marxist now?

>Well, Marxism is the granddaddy, those things wouldn't exist without it.
Yes they would, because they draw as much from Marx as from a bunch of other authors, historical relativism has nothing to do with marxism as an economic system and as long as you're unable to understand that you won't understand shit.

Zizek does not respect or like Peterson.

You made this same post in the last three threads. No one cares, tankie.

marxism should be banned and looked upon worsely than nazism, after all it did kill more than 10 times as many people

Jordan Peterson is a proto-Marxist himself. The fact that he and Ben Shapiro somehow represent traditional American-Christian free market economics is so abjectly absurd that I completely dismiss it outright.

Now that Peterson is dead, what will happen to his fanbase?

Because it has other gains besides cheaper labor. Particularly a voting pool. Hence why American democrats didn't want Vietnamese immigrants in California - they don't vote for them.

That's only half true.
>Peterson: Today's debate is about Marxism, so I'm going to spend my opening remarks talking about Marx and ten ways in which the Communist Manifesto wrong.
>Zizek: TRUMP. HITLER. BERNIE SANDERS.

>he embarrasses me so he doesn't represent me

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They will become comrades.

Capitalism is a jewish ideology.

He doesn't have sex but he fists his wife

Amazon workers are not exploited in America. They have many options considering such a low skill set. Any sort of "capitalist" example you people use such as Apple or Bezos are only allowed to exploit workers in non-Christian, non-free market nations such as China.

correct

ITT bunch of hipster nerds who think they're smart because they read a ton of bullshit written by idiots

>free market
>free
>jewish

Anybody has a video of the whole thing?

>Amazon workers are not exploited in America. They have many options considering such a low skill set.
Such as?

The man who made me renounce the insanity of Jow Forums.

If capitalism is so great, why do capitalists greatly prefer "non-free market nations"?

>"I really like what you said"
>"I accept even the underlying logic of your words."
>"I agree with almost everything you said"
Wow, yeah Zizek really skull fucked JBP there.

He understands economics, class war and Marxism. Hes capitalist thou and uses Marxism for his own gains not for the benefit of working class like communists do

>the (((free))) market

Hey user. Where are the Marxist?

>capitalism and the free market are the same thing. if you buy and sell things, you are a capitalists and if you hate capitalism you hate Freedoms©

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>Leftypol and r*ddit eternally seething at a polite old Canadian man
lmbo

>the free market with (((regulations)))

The debate was about happiness tho, that why they brought Peterson who's a psychologist

>VOTE FOR SHRUMP TO SHAKE SHINGS SHUP
Yeah no, Zizek is based

Jordan Peterson:
>loves Jews
>pro open borders
>is Canadian
Yep, he's a regular Jacksonian Constitutionalist. You got me.

>he had an instance of being critical and insulting and so he doesn't like or respect the guy
Zizek made statements to the crowd that expressed mutual respect between both him and Peterson multiple times. If you think Zizek was being hateful you probably haven't read or seen much of his work. He's explicitly rough to others he's trying to be friendly with. You don't become friends with people who are too tame to speak to you in crude ways or tell a dirty joke.

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Why is this board full of soi-fueled faggots?

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