I've been going to bible study for a few months, and now they want me to become a disciple. Has anyone done this...

I've been going to bible study for a few months, and now they want me to become a disciple. Has anyone done this? Was it difficult to give up everything?

>Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. 25 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? 26 Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

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Give your life to God if you want.

But be careful who you are asked to give your wallet to.

You don't need a cult camp to be like God, man. Jesus, Muhammud, Buddah, whatever the name of the messenger is, is not important. What's important is the message they were delivering. Did you get the message? It's easy.

Love one another as you would love yourself. Because they ARE you just as you are them. It's a universal message that ALL religions teach us. That's all we have to do - is be good to each other. That's it. Everything else is cult semantics. God don't give a shit if you follow one book's rules or the other, as long as you do the one thing asked.

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>That's all we have to do - is be good to each other
I was told this is just a trick from Satan. That being good alone is not enough. That Jesus said directly if you do not become a disciple of his and follow exactly as him you will not be saved

Where in the bible does it say that? Give a direct passage quote, please. If it's not written exactly as you say in the bible, then that means somebody somewhere interpreted that and told you that it was true.

Give a direct quote from the bible to back up your statement. If you cannot, then that means that you're listening to other people and not doing your own research - which makes you a half-informed "obey what other people tell me to" sheep.

Luke 14:
25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. 27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
28 “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? 29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 30 saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’
31 “Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32 If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 10:
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

plus Luke 9 in my OP post. Am I misinterpreting these? Are those who are teaching me misinterpreting these?

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Imagine paying money for someone to brainwash you into believing a story that's been edited by countless men through out history and not asking for a single scrap of proof that it exists. Churches are the ultimate tax-free money making scam. They use fear to keep you coming back and every time you come back, they pass around the offering plates to get your money and 10% of your income as "tithe". Your only reward is given to you AFTER you are dead and gone. It's such a huge incredible fear-based scam. It's genius. I should become a pastor and retire early.

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Just go to a real church instead and ask the priest there everything you want to know. And not one of the memetestant ones, but one of the two Great Schism ones.

Idk about you but this you picked passages that make Jesus sound narcissistic as fuck.

Ground it in reality and the quotes lose any weight.
>God comes down to Earth as Jesus in order to talk man as a man
>Expects to be treated as more than a man
>BS about surveying needing to be done to build a tower and
>28 “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? 29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 30 saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’
>31 “Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32 If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciple.

This does not make sense, he is the one making claims and is expecting blind faith, but he will not give people blind faith in return. A stranger expects you to drop everything and do anything he says because he says so, will you?

>Everyone who doesn't drop everything to follow him will not go to paradise

Does this include people who do not manage to hear his words? Because he sounds like someone who would fuck people over like that.

In the end, the basis for everything he says is rooted in the fact that he will die and the people who killed him finding out he wasn't lying. It's like an user on Jow Forums claiming to be female yet providing no evidence but speaks to everyone in a position of female nature and expects them to do whatever because tits/pussy without proof of tits/pussy.

Jesus literally went to two fisherman and said follow me and i will make you fishers of men, and they went. Just like that

And? Satan can do the same thing but it's bad when people follow him?

Satan gave jesus promises of paradise on Earth. Jesus gave promises of paradise after life.

Neither gave much proof to what they're capable of to the people they speak to. No, Jesus is not speaking to you when you read about his miracles in the bible.

He literally goes up to 2 random fisherman and the 2 guys just went along with it, do they know anything about him? No.


The 2 fishermen
>have nothing else better to do atm so they just follow this guy to find out wtf he's talking about
>already knew who jesus was which defeats the purpose of jesus walking up to random dudes
>shallow individuals who succumb to promises of greatness
Pick one. Any of these choices also mean they are retarded.

Those passages are talking about what you have to do to become his disciple.
But have you asked WHY you want to become his disciple?
Is there anywhere in the Bible that says you have to be a disciple to be loved by God?

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 12:31-32 KJV
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. [32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Galatians 5:25 KJVS
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1 Thessalonians 5:19 KJVS
Quench not the Spirit.

Ephesians 4:30 KJVS
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Hebrews 10:38-39 KJVS
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. [39] But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Romans 8:14-16 KJVS
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. [15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

1 John 2:27-29 ESV
But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in him. [28] And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming. [29] If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.

thank you for posting these

>it's just as good when satan does it as when jesus does it!
someone hasn't been picking up about this whole good/evil thing that's been keep humanity busy for the last few ages..
Yes. You cannot just 'be good' and expect heaven. You can only get to the father through the son.
You attack and spread discontent for your own gain, don't worry, people can see right through you.
You were committing a devil's trick while asking about one. To demand proof for 'to just be good is a Satan's trick' while you know damn well jesus never said anything like devil's tricks. But neither did he say anything about 'just be good'.

That last passage lmao
>You dont need to be taught anything because everything you need to know is already inside you!
>except you have to listen to what i say about what is inside you and know that I'm right and you shouldnt question me

And you shame people for not wanting to lie in complete darkness in what they should believe in, people who are in search of truth. Understandable, really, because the literal first lesson of the bible is the fruit of knowledge and how adam and eve shouldve stayed ignorant.
Which brings up a weird thing of God as a being, because he is said to be omnipotent and omnipresent and he knows "all" yet
>did not know that Eve would take from the tree
>got angry that jesus was killed but he's all knowing so he sent his son to BE killed
>will get mad if we dont pray to him but gives us free will to not obey him?

It's like a hostage situation, "hey you can do whatever you want man, but if you dont do what I want you to do, I will shoot you... Keep in mind i know what you will do beforehand so me telling you all of this becomes meaningless"

Enjoy drinking poison to ascend to the next level

It was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Its fruit allows us to judge what is good and what is evil from our own hearts. God wants us to know user, but to judge what's good and what's evil is up to God.
Also God is not omnipotent, your Free Will is preserved by God's promise to you. He cannot stop you from doing in your heart whatever it is you desire to do.
Your remark is basically saying that since there is evil while God is so powerful/knowledgeable, it must mean that something is off and God is wrong. Instead you forget that your mind might see some small suffering, but you can't comprehend what good it might bring about. The evil of today will lead to the good of tomorrow and it is that way because we due to our free will choose it to be that way. God cannot be blamed for this, as it's entirely our choice to let ourselves be like this.

God will let us destroy ourselves if we choose it?

Typical, can't hold up his ideas against logic therefore resorts to personal attack.

Therefore, god has no input on what we do with ourselves because he is no longer involved in our lives. I'm a fan of owning my responsibilities and actions, all of my accomplishments and failures and good deeds and evil deeds are of my own making, your statement supports mine. Thank you, god has no input in people's lives and is therefore irrelevant.

Is Jesus an extension of god or his own person?

Bump

Hey OP, i am also christian but a strange subset of it. I believe in God and Jesus, but do not believe in the bible at all since it was written by humans. If the Lord wants to speak with you then He will send signals in your life. All He wants you to do is be kind to others, animals, and yourself. Follow this law and the Lord will bless you.

Read the targums

OP, for me, the verses of Luke and Matthew you posted as response to another user is that if you truly love your parents and neighbors that just means you finally overcame the temptations of human nature and would no longer need Jesus and you are already his disciple and as almost as pure as his teachings, to be just like that you should be at ease and content of who you are for the act of following Jesus Christ are for those who lost their way and needed guidance not for those who had already found themselves.
Maybe that is why Jesus said to the crowd when they're about to throw stones at the adulterer "He who is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her." he meant only those who are just and pure can judge others for what good is it for someone who did fulfilled the laws of God but failed their own souls with their own sins?

OP here. my fellowship wants me to meet with them 3 times a week now and if I dont I will have to repent for not spending time with the fellow disciples and spreading the word of the Lord. Change is hard for me

Romans 8:9 KJV
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

i have found that the more you try to disprove the bible and God the more you learn and realize that its true.
for the user hoe said that the bible is written by men so it cant be true go do a youtoube search on that and you will be see the truth quickly most people take an opinion as there own without researching it so here i am telling you all go search google it all all your questions everything i dont have to say god is true cause if you really go and search you will see that he is so go teat my words

well said

1 Corinthians 2:1-5 ESV
And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. [2] For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. [3] And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, [4] and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, [5] so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 12:31-32 KJV
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. [32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.