It's OK to be Communist
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If communism so great why you lost the cold war? Its like these losers here worshiping Titler.
Clearly american capitalism is the superior system
Cool. Then give me stuff
>give me stuff
He who doesn't work doesn't eat.
Communist societies are always struggling against the base instincts of mankind, like greed, corruption, etc.
In contrast, capitalism makes use of those instincts, so there is no need to struggle against them.
Communism is like swimming against the current in a river. Capitalism is swimming in the direction of the current.
This is actually the dirty secret of communism. NEETs think communism will "free" them from having to work to earn a living. In reality, the state becomes incentivized by profits the same way corporations do, and it acts with state authority to keep the people working. If you don't work, and work hard, you get gulag'd, then you work even harder.......til u die.
Or they just shoot you. In the USSR this crime was known as "parasitism" and it accurately describes the majority of Jow Forums communists. The majority of Jow Forums communists (and all communists really) would be shot to death under their communist system.
Nice LARP
Sad thing about that post in my pic related too is that it's from back in the days when the people on this board were actually intelligent. Now it's NPC's.
Essentially, communism is an engineered response NPCs have to being unhappy. If you actually read, for example, frankfurt school authors, they all talked about deliberately making the capitalist system worse and worse through big government and degeneracy so that people would become so miserable they would embrace communism. It's all engineered.
Of course, people could just supported freedom instead, but as usual this is not the road that humanity has chosen to travel down. Humanity has always been the greatest instrument of its own oppression.
If Communism is so bad, why do most Eastern Europeans say they lived better before 1991?
>I found a single guy plus a communist think tank that say communism was good by provided one-sided, intentionally skewered statistics. Therefore communism was good and I don't have to provide any arguments.
OK pal top kek.
So how do you plan to win against the nature of any being?
Now communiam seams inefective and imoral when you say that.
You're just posting the words of individual people who liked communism. I can find you people who say it's "they enjoy" getting fucked in the ass by BBC while licking shit off a toilet bowl, that doesn't mean anything.
Your tag says commie, but your text says capitalism makes more sense.
That river is the freewill of people.
I mean you're not even finding "real" individual people who liked it, you're posting propaganda from communist political advocates who are openly pushing an agenda. What do you think they're gonna say? "Yeah I wanna do communism again but it definitely sucked" like how does what you're posting even amount to an argument in your mind?
No it’s not
Not just individual. Vast majorities of Eastern Europeans say the same thing.
Like I just looked up Zuzsanna Clark, that article you posted was written for The Guardian, lol. Like OK. Are you even serious or is this stuff a joke? Posting blatant left-wing political propaganda is supposed to mean what?
If Capitalism > Communism, how do you explain pic related?
So you are saying capitalism is more natural?
I am merchant, i sell stuff to people. People love buying things. I love selling them. At the end of the day everyone is happy
>Vast majorities or Eastern Europeans
>Slim majorities in 3 countries.
Even the graph you posted disproves your own narrative dude, come on. And not only that you're misrepresenting the question that was asked. The question is written directly below and it's about the economic situation, lol. Hungary and Ukraine and Bulgaria all have had tremendous social problems not related to communism or its abolition.
You can't even be serious. I mean you're just providing data that may not even be accurate to begin with (because you're not even providing a source, just screencaps) then you're misrepresenting it, and then it doesn't even mean anything even if it was what you said it was anyway.
Like are you trying to embarrass yourself?
Commie want a cracker?
You look hungry..
Like do you even look at "wow, what is going on in hungary over the last 30 years that could cause this?
Or "What is going on in Ukraine that could cause this"?
It's just stupid. One sided. IDK man sorry. You just offer one sided data from some mysterious source cuz you're only posting isolated screencaps.
That's how propaganda works, IDK, you just tell half the story. You present data sets and stats that aren't the full picture. CNN does this every day. It's lies by omission. This is how all political lying operates.
>dodging the question
And we arent even talking about capitalism now.
We are talking about what you said.
What made you think that i think capitalism is great?
>Slim majorities in 3 countries
Eastern European TV is constantly playing documentaries about how Stalin killed trillions of babies and Communism is the worst thing that ever happened to humanity. The fact that in no country do a majority of people approve of the transition should be telling.
>Hungary and Ukraine and Bulgaria all have had tremendous social problems not related to communism or its abolition.
All those countries were destroyed by the introduction of capitalism. See pic. Ukraine still has a lower GDP than it did in 1991.
>Like do you even look at "wow, what is going on in hungary over the last 30 years that could cause this?
It's called capitalism and it fucking sucks. 1% of Jews own 99% of the wealth and 90% of people live in desperate poverty.
I mean according to this, Hungary has the 13th lowest income inequality in the world, lol:
>en.wikipedia.org
And now you're trying to say "it was better off before"?
And how is the economy of hungary run exactly?
Well here, it turns out its not run with a great deal of economic freedom. So exactly how "capitalist" is it, and how much is it suffering from big government?
>heritage.org
And I'm just taking one example from your list. The example where people are supposedly the most miserable (hard to believe if you actually look deeper, your numbers are prob just BS).
But you know, it's just to demonstrate you're full of shit. You're a propagandist. Or you read propaganda and you're genuinely stupid enough to get swept up in it and not think twice about it.
>It's called capitalism and it fucking sucks. 1% of Jews own 99% of the wealth and 90% of people live in desperate poverty.
Really? Cuz looking up the economy of hungary here doesn't look like there are any free markets or anything like that. Seems like they're another classic example of a country being hurt by big government. They've got universal healthcare and all of that shit.
>en.wikipedia.org
This is the problem with communists. You're just bullshit. You're just either stupid or dishonest. You look up ONE little left-wing commie blog or special interest group and they show you a graph that says "COMMUNIZM = GUD" and you're too weak minded to even question it. I dunno.
>And now you're trying to say "it was better off before"?
79% of Hungarians say that. But I guess you know more than they do about their own country
Communism in 1900
>hammer railway spikes for 13 hours a day in sub -30 Celsius winter. Wear tank top and poorly insulating jacket. buy a hat with a week's wages to prevent my ears from enduring more frostbite.
>high mortality rate. Excruciating death from frostbite, atrocious safety measures for workers
>injured? too bad. No work? No pay. Family can starve
>shitty compensation, often not paid at all if the boss wanted to pocket my wages that day
>no mobility. Can't afford to move, can't afford to find another job.
>railway owner lives in first-class
>Work in coal mine 13 hours a day. breathe toxic carcinogenic gasses and particulates. Come home in black filth
>literally zero safety regulations. Cheaper for owner to lose a mineshaft to cave-in than for him to pay for structural supports and safety inspections
"We can not live like this while our bosses eat off gold dinner plates, comrades. Even if this revolution fails, we could not possibly be worse off than than we already are"
Communism in 2019
>come home from a liberal arts college with a swimming pool, gym, extracurricular clubs and activities, cafeteria, health clinic, on-campus residence
>government pays for 2/3 of my "education"
>willingly and knowingly enroll in a saturated degree that teaches me all of my previously held opinions (humanities, social "sciences" etc.)
>sign up for student loans of my own free will
>only have classes a few days a week. Don't go half the time because "muh depression and anxiety is bad today"
>parents help pay some or all of my student loans
>go to my job at Starbucks a few hours a week. School and part time work combined make up less than 30 hours per week.
>only get paid $15 an hour and can't afford my "gender confirmation surgery"
>recieve benefits
Reeeee. pay for my education! Free healthcare! Free Gender reassignment surgery! Free abortions!
Hello gomrades ! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Ukraine is ranked 147 in economic freedom according to the Heritage foundation. Find another source if you want, I'm sure they won't differ too much.
You're just proving how big government ruins things, lol.
Here is the big simple answer to all of this, BTW. Here's why that region still sucks today (as it did under communism). It's because they're the children of communists. And themselves former communists. They're a peopel who LOVE big government and authoritarianism. Seriously, in Ukraine aren't they jailing gays right now?
They have no freedom. No economic freedom. They're big government shitholes. You can call them "capitalism" if you want to, but it's quite a stretch when you have an all encompassing authoritarian government in charge of everything.
All that your entire thread has proven is that big government fucking sucks and rapes the people it rules over. Congratulations, you just became a free market libertarian capitalist.
>Heritage foundation
lmao
>how do you explain pic related
No Iron Curtain, you retarded commie.
>323 results found.
it's time to stop
Communism fucked up those countries so badly that nobody believed they had any future to look forward to, so they left as soon as they could.
Capitalism tends to interact badly with most political systems.
It requires constant careful oversight or else people will do what they naturally do, ie bribe, steal, etc.
Eastern european countries did not have functioning governments after the revolutions and the inevitable result was oligarchy, corruption, and misery.
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thank you, i love my country transition to communism, still souless neets arround but they will come arround or die.
Man you lost weight?
You been commie'ing out?
So in other words, communism is unnatural.
So what are you trying to say? That Ukraine is economically free? Because it's not. IDK it's not even up for dispute. Like why would you response "hurr heritage foundation" it makes no sense. You just want to avoid having to recognize that Ukraine is one of the single most economically repressed countries in the world outside of Africa?
Dude, you're talking about an authoritarian shithole. You're talking about a place that doesn't even have freedom of the press. You're making every argument a libertarian, right-wing, free market capitalist possibly could FOR him. It doesn't matter that the Soviet Union fell, you can't turn around and run your nation in the same mold as you did before, but "call it capitalism" and expect anything different.
Why would millions of people flee the wonderful capitalist democracy?
I mean YOU cited like 7 or 8 countries. I obviously can't delve deeply into all of them. So pick one or 2 and we can focus on them and I can demonstrate without a shadow of a doubt for you that their problems do not revolve around or stem from free market capitalism, but instead authoritarian government.
Just like wearing clothes is less natural than going around in loincloths. Just like cooking food is less natural than eating raw meat
t's OK to be Communist as long as you do what I say!
not even gommie but this made me kek
One question I have never received a satisfactory answer to from stalinists and the like (not ancoms since their ideology is actually logically consistent even if I completely disagree with it) is why do you think there were multiple recorded cases of people risking their lives to escape communist countries and flee to capitalist ones? Why did communist countries feel the need to forbid their citizens from leaving? Why does NK still do that and also forbid visitors from freely seeing what the country's actually like?
Wow yikes cringe meets Jow Forumsim14andthisisdeep.
Dude lol do you KNOW what the economy of Latvia was like after the Soviet Union crumbled? Are you trying to say that was capitalism? There was no private industry, LOL. DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK this is exactly what I'm talking about.
TO THIS DAY all of Latvia's industry has not been privatized. They are STILL in the process of doing this (And they are actively doing it and nearly all of their business is privatized now).
As they have privatized, their economy has grown tremendously, they were the fastest growing economy in Europe up until the 2008 crash.
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about earlier in the thread with the ONE SIDED STATISTICS crap. It's LIE BY OMISSION every time. You post some stupid meaningless graph and there's no context or reason or anything and like every stupid communist you just go "This is capitalismz fault" without providing any evidence or context or argument.
Here dude, IDK, just actually READ about Latvia yourself and learn a little bit about their economy before you post some stupid 2 graph and say "this proves capitalizm bad".
>en.wikipedia.org
I don't think your allowed to use the metal scissors Ill need a note from your mom. Until then stick with the plastic one k.
I swear to god, communists see a graph and that's just it to them. They don't stop and think about it. They think all of the information in the universe can be contained on 2 axis' in a simple 2D graph. And that is the sum entirety of the complicated nature of the universe to them. It's 2D. They have 2D brains. They have 2D souls.
Stalin starved millions of farmers in Ukraine. They were based AF and many were killed for hiding grain when Stalin came to take next seasons crop seed. Some even burned their farms down and killed their cattle, so they could not be taken by shithead commie fuck tards.....like you.
And INB4 the spergy NPC commie invariably flips out because I posted something about reptilians and crazy new agey stuff ITS A JOKE holy shit I know I gotta point it out for people like you, so I'm doing it pre-emptively.
Wearing clothes and cooking food feels pretty natural to me. Working for free doesn't.
>Nice LARP
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>btfo themself
>too dumb to even know how
Holy kek I hope this is b8.
>titler
Is called admiration you stupid kike.
Because in was continuously ruined by commie retards just like you for half a century you fucking brainlet.
Notice that the fucking commie has recoiled now. He just posts his stupid graphs, brainlessly, that he screencapped without even thinking about them. When challenged and presented with reason and logic, he can do nothing. He must retreat. He must recoil. He's like a snail that has been salted.
There is one system that worked and had to be removed by force.
Also your own graph contradicts you.
No, you genocidal bastard
>If communism so great why you lost the cold war?
Communism is ur own bred rabid pitbull brainlet.
Jow Forums will never fall to communist invasion
Retarded boomers, retarded boomers everywhere, having nostalgia about when they were younger. They dislike modern system, because you actually need to work; while there was loads of ,,jobs" where they could be really inefficient and/or lazy, and still get paycheck. Also people are not really degenerate alcoholics/druggies anymore, and taking bribes is a thing of the past. Seems like some of them loved to tell on their neighbours to totalitarian police as well. Seriously, fuck degenerate boomers.
You said something mutt?
Shame on you
>Implying
You said something inbred ?
The only people who didn't it like it had the same psyche as a modern Republican. I would not consider them actual people.
Joey Ayana.
>It's OK to be Communist
It's OK to be Jewish!
Counterpoint: Stalin did nothing wrong
You're a master of sarcastic wit.
Actually it’s illegal you fruit baskets.
The Communist Control Act (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is a piece of United States federal legislation , signed into law by President Dwight Eisenhower on 24 August 1954, which outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in, or support for the Party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations. [1] The Act has since been ruled unconstitutional in federal court but has not been ruled on in the Supreme Court and has never been enforced.
wow damn, I thought america allowed freedom of speech and association? guess not... that's some china tier shit right there.
Read the whole thing. It’s actually not illegal just deemed gay as fuck.
Not gonna defend stalin but there is evidence to suggest that the socialist states throughout history have been better of with socialism.
and you're a master of burgers, thank you
Is it cool if you could stop selling diversity to western civilization?
Why because you are a commie and hate capitalism?
why do you think there were multiple recorded cases of people risking their lives to escape capitalist countries and flee to communist ones?
>There was no private industry,
Objectively wrong. No point in arguing with a boomer brainlet
thats it. you cant fight human nature. dummy.
Jeltzin killed more people than Stalin
Communism is shit. Change my mind.
Human nature is multi-faceted. In addition to lower trends like greed, corruption, dishonesty, etc, there are also higher trends like altruism, empathy, selflessness, etc. Communism relies on the latter, whereas capitalism relies on the former.
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>Communism relies on the latter
>trends like altruism, empathy, selflessness
>Holomodor was actually altruism, empathy and selflessness
wew lad, two kikes arguing with each other over trotsky ideals ? One must certainly have gotten his friend a job recently. Go on... I find this attempt meekly amusing.
>Holodohoax
You are at it again retard?
>Holodohoax
Kek, got anything else cupcake besides some sage ?
Stalin was a based leader, he purged a lot of (((dissidents)))