Why do incels even exist?

Incels should just be castrated desu. There's nothing more disgusting than a virgin.

Just because this one gorgeous lady wanted to fuck me doesn't mean I was looking for that. I just want love goddamn it.

She also made me feel inadequate. I can't help but imagine how many Tyrone's ran through that meat cave. It's disgusting and I just had to turn her down.

Yea, and women would all rather share one hot guy with each other than be exclusive with an average guy

This. If you are a virgin past 21, there is something quite literally wrong with you. In fact, I'd got a step further and say they ought to be killed. If you aren't contributing to the future and via genetics, you should have influence on the future at all nor waste resources.

Also, if these people didnt exist at all, women wouldn't be burdened in having to shift through the shit. Women would automatically have access to attractive men without risk of running into incels or other undesirables

Most incels are mentally ill.

>tfw I have big dick but this makes no difference in my life
Girls complain more about the size and I can't go full in

Women's sexual attraction is fluid though. They'll always go after the top percentage of men. If you killed all ugly/average men and only left the "Chads". Then the majority percentage of those "Chads" would become ugly/average

This. Another reason to have them killed.

Yes, but if you are seriously comparing the current bottom-tier incels to the chads who would become the new bottom, you are actually retarded

psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

It's natural. We just got the internet now. Also no big wars, and comfortable lives means men don't die as much as they used to. Online dating/social media too. That means incels can chill on online forums.

It's just over for some men.

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Perfect example of a mentally ill low IQ incel there. In the previous generation your parents would have forced you to leave the basement and get a job.

Trying to offer a more empathetic view, I think ti has a lot to do with what says

Current society basically just tells us that other people are just there for our own interests, that they'll gladly fuck us over if they have the chance and that you shouldn't ever forget someone because there is always something better around the corner and you should just drop them and go next. This means that communities are weaker, and communities were one of the main ways for people to pair with each other. This means that empathy is lower as well, you can just look at this thread for a dose of that.

Alain de Botton kinda nails this in his talks about status anxiety imo. Because current society tells us everything that goes right is thanks to us, it also follows that everything that goes wrong is our fault. So people aren't even given the benefit of the doubt, they're just branded losers and that's that.

On top of that the current climate is pretty tense when it comes to relationships between men and women. Funnily enough, the two most common places to meet partners used to be the workplace and uni, and we're now told that in the former any kind of non strictly proffessional interaction between the sexes is completely inadmissible, and in the later we're told relationships will just drag us down because we have to concentrate on our careers.

So it kinda creates this underclass of men who might or might not have something wrong with them. If it serves for something, I used to be one (assuming by incel we mean involuntarily celibate and not the complete woman-hating shebang), and one day I just wasn't. A girl was interested in me, I was interested back, I stumbled through it but managed to land a relationships. Nothing fundamentally changed with me, I didn't suddenly become a better person, I was just lucky, because life is a lot of luck.

I’m an incel but only by definition. I struggle a lot with my mental health, I’m always depressed or anxious to a degree. Anti depressants only fucked my brain more, and weed is the only thing that helps. So now I’m unironically that guy that has weed all the time because coping with my reality is hard. I don’t think I’m too weird or a creep, I have a few friends and my coworkers respect me, but when it comes to women I am completely clueless. I can easily talk and be buddies with but I can never escalate it anything.

I agree. The government should track incels and medically euthanize them after they turn 25.

I have had a girlfriend for about 2 months and we broke up like a week and a half ago.
I'm 19, we kissed, we held hands, we did everything but sex. Still virgin.
Am I inkel

Nope. Polygamy still causes huge jealousy for women no matter how far and equal the man treats them. Women are jealous creatures.

>Nothing fundamentally changed with me, I didn't suddenly become a better person, I was just lucky
So basically you're mentally still a pathetic bitter incel. Thanks for clearing that up.

>This. If you are a virgin past 21, there is something quite literally wrong with you.
Not even a virgin but this is just wrong. What about those that choose to be celibate because most of the gene pool is fucked and don't want to infect their gene pool with sub par genetics.
>. If you aren't contributing to the future and via genetics,
Quality over quantity bud. I'd rather my offspring be to be from a woman who will not give me retarded children because her genetics are all fucked up from a family line of procreating with the first viable partner.

>most of the gene pool is fucked and don't want to infect their gene pool with sub par genetics.
you sound like a Jow Forums retard

I spent most of my early life being systematically emasculated by women who hated males and took it out on young boys. I project that fear onto adult women, even adult women who take a sexual interest in me. I recognize that it's a problem, but progress comes slowly. Based on the statistics I think that a lot of men share this as a common experience and are manifesting a common trauma.

I just turned 26 and am an Incel.
Why?
Because I had zero self confidence in myself until about a year ago when I got a full time job.
Turns out it's fairly easy to get dates when your 6ft 5in tall and semi fit.

Not everyone is born a super Chad

I'm nothing of the sort, but I'm glad my story made such a strong emotional reaction on you that you had to go out of your way just to insult me. Seems pretty obvious you have some serious anger issues.

>you sound like a Jow Forums retard
My country won't even let me on Jow Forums so suck a fat one.
Seriously why do you think there is so many disabled people these days.

>all this projecting
Roastie spotted
Don't complain where all the good men are when you are dried up

There's virtually no resource outside of your dad that a young man has to get honest advice and a real understanding of how dating works and how you become romantically involved with a woman. Most people learn experientially through social interactions and school and events, but some kids don't have that experience through external circumstances, choices of hobbies, possible mental conditions, or pure happenstance. After a while, there's a tipping point where your lack of experience becomes a real problem, you have serious difficulty interacting positively with women, and all your problems seem to become one insurmountable, and only get worse with each passing day

God I relate to this so much. Thank you lifelong anxiety and low self esteem...

>what are friends
>what are other people you observe
>what is using your fucking brain
Grew up without a dad since I was 8 and dating/relationships/fucking was one of the most obvious things ever without any input from others (I was always too insecure to ask either way).

>some kids don't have that experience through external circumstances, choices of hobbies, possible mental conditions, or pure happenstance.
Well, sounds like me again ... but again, you can easy learn all of the shit later in live. Hell, even if you're too dumb to observe others, there is still trial and error. Unless you're legitimately mentally challenged or full sperglord, there is no excuse not to be somewhat competent at the most basic human shit.

Why does this board have it so out for people with crippling anxiety?

But does this justify they bad behavior?

That's what I'm referring to when I say social interactions, the experience of having had well-adjusted or outgoing friends, and just a general social network, who were also on the same road and helped you along. Some kids just play MTG at lunch for all of high school and hang out with other weirdos who also have no idea what to do and are basically stalling for time, and they all end up awkward virgins
You can learn these things later in life, but the question is why do incels exist to begin with, which is what I'm talking about. I also imagine most incels are in the observation and trial and error phase, but until they actually succeed and get a girlfriend, it's hard to feel like anything you're doing is actually correct or helpful

>crippling anxiety is an excuse not to improve
Fuck off.

This,
Once you figure out how to deal with women at a basic level shit gets 100x easier.
It's all shit normal ppl learned in highschool, but we didn't.
I lucked out with my 1st GF at age fucking 27.
After that it was so simple to ask women out.

That's not even what I said, sperg.

>I have nothing going for me, I have crippling autism and anxiety, I don't go outside, I am not interesting...

>Implying women aren't like that

Like with all evils of the world, because of women.

>there isn't a single interesting, sociable, hard working woman in the entire world
Have sex incel. I'll concede that there are just as many boring, retarded women as there are boring retarded men. Those women are used for sex and thrown away. At best they'll find themselves in a shitty relationship.

Oh god it's le nice guy. Go back to 2012 you living meme. I am fucking laughing at you.

>the experience of having had well-adjusted or outgoing friends, and just a general social network
Never had these for majority of my life. You don't need it either to learn from people. It's not like incels totally lack social awareness either, with their idea of Chad, they clearly understand that some traits/appearances are attractive. Observing further and trying to emulate the stuff isn't that hard. Monkey sees, monkey do is how humans always learned. The part that separates incels from anyone else is the refusal to work on themselves and blaming society/women for the fact they even have to work on themselves.

>they all end up awkward virgins
It's not the fucking end though. Just as phase, for somewhat normal people at least.

> the question is why do incels exist to begin with, which is what I'm talking about
What separates incels from people who just suck at socialising is the defeatism and entitlement though.

Suboptimal upbringing just doesn't seem like the crucial factor since most incels appear to have easier lives on the average and generally come from sheltered middle class environments which allows their passive lives in the first place. People who actually had shitty lives can't afford to sit in their basements whining about women and would have to get job, which in turn would force them to learn the basics pretty fast.

>Those women are used for sex and thrown away. At best they'll find themselves in a shitty relationship.
You mean the very thing you hate incels for not being able to achieve even that much?

Can you be more of a fucking retard.

There is something seriously fucked up about our society when incels are the most hated people on the internet but murderers and drug dealers receive love letters even from prison

You type like a retarded woman show tits or GTFO

Please define incel, because clearly you're not talking about involuntarily celibate people as a group

Drug dealers are valuable members of society who provide a service others are willing to pay good money for.

Murderers attract a specific subset of people, something prominent incels could do too but just suck at PR. (Didn't that guy who had an incel forum eventually get a gf for example?)

What is there to define? A person identifying as involuntary celibate thinks there are reasons beyond them for them not getting their dick wet.

>Drug dealers are valuable members of society
Lmao

I disagree with the argument that an incel is specifically someone who doesn't try. The term is already nebulous and vague, but in my mind the defining characteristic is a desire and willingness to be in a relationship on their part that has gone unfulfilled. There's certainly a subset of people who weigh 300 pounds and complain about not banging a supermodel, but I like to be charitable and believe that the vast majority are just average men who put forth some kind of effort but lack of direction, and who probably have some understanding of what behaviors they need to emulate but cannot credibly reproduce them for one reason or another. The defeatism is just venting in an online forum with people in a similar predicament, and is understandable coming from a mindset where you have to play catch up with everyone else and the only way to improve is constant, unceasing, heart-rending failure. The "entitlement" seems like a salacious argument to me. People have standards of beauty, and you can't chide someone over who they are and are not attracted to, anymore than you could make fun of a gay man for not wanting to have sex with a woman. Is it entitled of someone to say "I wish I had a partner I was sexually attracted to"?
The upbringing is a crucial factor, since it's only the type of safe, middle class background that can produce this problem. Well-off children have intelligent or successful parents who look out for them and ensure they get a proper upbringing, and poor children get the kind of rough and tumble upbringing that forges strong senses of community that makes social interactions second nature, it's specifically when you have a middle class background that a kid can fall into the trap of spending all his time on "safe" isolationist hobbies like video games, that take someone who is naturally a loner and cements their most unfortunate proclivities

You are not a good man. You are a socially retarded, weak willed faggot, living in his mom's basement browsing Jow Forums, with few prospects in life. Very few good men have an issue finding a relationship, because they are actually in high demand.

Doesn't mean you can't learn to be a good man, but you are not one right now. Until then, don't whinge about how no one wants you, because there's no reason they should.

Women can have sex whenever they want, and with whoever they want. This isn't new information. If you're a man who is incapable of getting laid, you have no one to blame but yourself. God bless ;x

>A person identifying as involuntary celibate thinks there are reasons beyond them for them not getting their dick wet.
Your previous post was a long rant describing people with very particular problems.

Instead of finding a term for those people that you psychotically despise, you use an umbrella term that includes anyone who for any reason can't get laid.

>even more projeccting
Why are women so fucking retarded lmao
Go choke on tyrone's dick

I never pretend to be a good man and don't help women because they are not entitled to it

>Women can have sex whenever they want
Exactly, which puts then underneath even incels.

No one gets brownie points in life for getting things without putting any effort/deserving them. Not incels, not women.

>Very few good men have an issue finding a relationship
If your definition of a good man includes looks (which it should), then yes,

What makes you think that you are entitled to a good man? Women don't have to try to be good women anymore

unless you arent a promiscuous or attractive woman.

Interesting perspective on the middle-class background being the only one possible to raise up incels. I could see people with mental disorders in poorer backgrounds figuring out an adaptation to life with it, and richer people having plenty of resources to overcome certain mental issues, but middle-class and lower middle-class especially (basically unable to pay for therapy, or general family problems) is probably predominant for incels? just throwing that part of it out there

You have no idea what causes one to be an incel or even what an incel is, so this theorizing is pointless.

Kill yourself.

No one has a problem with crippling anxiety.
But when you allow your crippling anxiety to fuck up your worldview there's a problem.
I have crippling anxiety and can't get laid because of it, but I don't hate women and think that they're the reason I can't get laid. I recognise that if I work to overcome my anxiety and better myself, which is difficult as fuck and may never happen, I will have a much better chance of getting laid/finding a gf.

>I have crippling anxiety
Is this just another way of saying you're a pussy? God, incels are pathetic.

>I disagree with the argument that an incel is specifically someone who doesn't try.
I wouldn't say it's the crucial bit either way. Someone who tries a lot but still sees something/someone else as the reason for their failure is still an incel IMO.

>desire and willingness to be in a relationship on their part that has gone unfulfilled
This applies to a lot of perfectly normal people. We tend to call them singles or virgins.

>and is understandable coming from a mindset where you have to play catch up with everyone else and the only way to improve is constant, unceasing, heart-rending failure.
To a point. Don't think I'd equal occasional bitching about circumstances with the defeatism displayed by most incels.

>Is it entitled of someone to say "I wish I had a partner I was sexually attracted to"?
As long you don't blame them or anyone but you if it doesn't work out, it's just normal crushing.

>take someone who is naturally a loner and cements their most unfortunate proclivities
Yeah definitely. Though IMO it's not just growing up but the more crucial early twenties, which someone from the middle class could afford to spend the same way and remain mentally a child deep into their 20s.

The only reason someone can't get laid is them. (Unless they are somewhat stuck on a deserted island, sorry for ignoring these people)

>The only reason someone can't get laid is them.
Is having standards a good reason?

Having sex with subhuman scum is extremely unhealthy spiritually, emotionally and maybe even physically is she has STDs.

Yeah, sure, I'm a pussy.
I get really uncomfortable and nervous when I think about doing anything remotely romantic/sexual. If a girl doesn't show really really obvious interest I will automatically assume she's repulsed/completely uninterested in me and refuse to make any kind of move.
If she does show really obvious interest then I constantly go in circles and put myself down in my head which is why none of my opportunities have made it from the bar/club/party to the bedroom. I'll freak out and literally walk away from the situation if I think I'm gonna get laid because I freak out so much.
I attribute this shit to myself, not to women or to society or any of that shit. I need to stop being a pussy and get over it, if I don't I won't ever fuck.

God, you sound so whiny, insufferable and self-hating. Seek therapy or just kill yourself. I don't see why a woman would ever degrade herself with you.

How is that relevant? I wouldn't seriously date any women below 8/10 who isn't widely successful in her field, confident, empathetic, funny and so on … so if I don't find any, it's 100% up to me. If you want some Christian virgin waifu, it's 100% up to you.

I'm aware. I'm just saying how my brain works, I know that it's fucking stupid and needs to change.
I'm in therapy at the moment and I'm trying to work on it. I don't want to be in a relationship until I have a better relationship with myself, as cringey as that sounds.

I'm a dude you fucking idiot.

No it doesn't. Almost everyone in my group of friends have girlfriend/wives, because they are actually straight up good guys. Like, actual good guys, that take responsibility for their lives, are fun to be around, and treat the people in their lives well. They are all horribly flawed when it comes to looks. They are a 6'6", 110 lb former band geek; a 300 lb fatass; a guy who's face eternally looks like he just got punched; a 5'8" manlet with a giant jew nose.

The only one of my friends that doesn't have a girlfriend is the good looking one that doesn't have a job, literally has never moved out of his parents' house, and can't talk to strangers unless he's drunk.

>I don't want to be in a relationship until I have a better relationship with myself,
So how the fuck would you qualify for an incel if you have enough self-awarness to tell that you're not even ready for a relationship and don't blame others for it?

Taking your turn at a 4/10 isn't something I'd consider as a having a gf.

Think about that.

I wouldn't consider myself an incel.
I was originally replying to a guy asking why this board "had it out for people with crippling anxiety" as if everyone with crippling anxiety who can't get laid is an incel.
I have crippling anxiety and I don't get laid yet I don't hate women because of it. I recognise that my failure in this part of my life is entirely on me and only I can fix it and if I fix it I'll be just fine.

No one gives a fuck what you consider having a gf entails.

Think about that.

According to this thread it appears that whining and generally blaming others is a core part of being an incel

That's the reaction of someone who just got correctly called out.

There is no such thing as "dating" a 4/10, loser.

To be fair, what matters here is his opinion. It's just he can't blame wimin or society if he doesn't get the gf he wants.

It's a huge part of incel culture.
Go on any incel forum and they all moan and blame women and Chad and anything they possibly can on their virginity.
I don't think I'm like that, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just in denial. But right now I feel like I still have a chance if I apply myself.

>I feel like I still have a chance if I apply myself.
An attitude like that is already 200% more attractive.

Yeah it's just the matter of putting it into practice that's difficult.
I recognise that my brain is my enemy in these situations, that I'm probably nowhere near as awkward as I think I am, that girls are probably much more interested in me than I give them credit for, and that I'm actually relatively good looking, but put me in an opportunity where I can prove all this and I instantly shrink down to a little bitch.
But I'm good at other things, and I have things that I can work on and hopefully with time I'll have a bit more confidence in myself.

Over entitled, spoiled brats with no skills or even any confidence at all, absolute sub-human degenerates.

>>I have crippling anxiety
>Is this just another way of saying you're a pussy? God, incels are pathetic.
You a fucking moron. I live with crippling anxiety, it feels like you are being strangled from the inside and I actually get heart palpitations from it. I was just lucky enough to have done enough martial arts from such a you age I can push through this without drugs. It's more pain than you could understand.

>Oh, woe is me. I'm such a victim.
Why should I feel bad for incels when you all act this way? You should have gotten aborted if you're so mentally ill.

>put me in an opportunity where I can prove all this and I instantly shrink down to a little bitch.
Holy kek, I know that shit too well. Usually accompanied by way to high voice, and noticing it turns it even higher and makes me picture a pathetic bitch and so on.

Though I was lucky to be thrown in a lot of situations where my brain had no time to create a scenario/expectations, so I got to build a sort of backlog of positive experiences to remind myself that I totally got it and have nothing to worry about.

Besides, the emotional rollercoaster of being an anxious fuck is amusing in a way. Dumb shit like buying groceries is quite the emotional adventure with more highs and lows than most normal people would experience in a week.

>I actually get heart palpitations from it.
Same here, nigga. Almost blacked out a few times too. It's still a shitty excuse.

Eh you can be real about mental health issues holding you back in life, because unless you're extremely disciplined they probably will to an extent, without letting it fuck with your worldview or using it as an excuse for every problem in your life.

The point is, you own your own mind. If your mental issues cause difficulties, it's because you allow them. Basically, you're a fucking pussy and I get intense schadenfreude from your whining. Get fucked.

>Basically, you're a fucking pussy and I get intense schadenfreude from your whining.
Hope the irony doesn't escape you.

Its perfectly possible to acknowledge a problem without admitting defeat to that problem.
Having shit like anxiety and depression is almost like having a second, really fucking loud brain that thinks extremely irrationally and extremely negatively but its still your brain so you still kind of believe it even if you can acknowledge that its overly irrational and negative.
You can still do well with these problems but the problems won't necessarily go away.
In fact, it's pretty much impossible to overcome these problems without acknowledging that they exist and understanding them.

youtube.com/watch?v=QdPe8OkWmt4

You should never be empathetic to toxic people. Don't reward the scum of humanity with something reserved for good people.

Nah, reaching out to them and empathizing with them is a start to fixing the incel problem. Just bullying them is going to make them worse.

>fixing the incel problem
You can't fix a societal constant. These people have always existed and will always exist. Just look at this thread.

Bullyciding and possibly castration is the right answer.

Today they're getting their own echo chambers on the Internet though which is essentially fuelling the problem.
There have always been awkward people who struggle with girls, but now they're all communicating with each other and spreading their nasty worldview onto each other.

Thisss

>now they're all communicating with each other and spreading their nasty worldview onto each other.
So just shut down their echo-chambers. I don't want a bunch of freaks radicalizing each other. Also, you're naive to think these dudes want to change or be helped.

If you shut down their echo chambers they will just find a new one. That's the problem.
They don't want to be helped. This whole thing is fucked.