and would require large tax increases,
and would raise tuition costs.
But education is not so much an expense as it is an investment, in the future of our country.
And consider that the alternative, a non educated populace, is much higher- conservative voters.
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Except single payer is not an investment, it is simply spreading existing healthcare resources thin. Your healthcare will be rationed, and you will have longer wait-times. Hopefully the American public figures out the stupidity that is socialized medicine, and finds a better way to fix healthcare, before it's too late.
Better than the kike puppet
Cut the Military budget and money for Israel, boom! you got money for healthcare
Trumps election shows people dont care about hipocrisy if you promise them stuff and you arent an establishment hack
How do you plan on fixing this?
>if we spend same amount, then healthcare will be rationed
We need to spend more on healthcare.
You can get free education from the internet
I'm all for free higher education; given the caveat that it's ONLY for viable industries in need of workers with skill.
ZERO "political science" or "feminist"/SJW courses, those should cost at least double.
>but America is merit based
Intelligence is not the only merit.
>just pull yourself up by your boot straps
Funny, analogy isn't even logical.
>state education only for needed occupations
>we don't need any social development
We do need social development, which is the point of the thread!
>it is simply spreading existing healthcare resources thin
you know your shithole is the most expensive in the world? and nowhere you have that level of "free market" bullshittery
We spend more on healthcare per person than any other nation in the world. Priority 1 should be to lower costs. "Equity" and "insuring care for all" needs to be second.
all countries with socialised healthcare have it cheaper, kys
Then the thread is retarded.
The little bit of that bullshit that is already available for tuition has made a huge chunk of our population unfixably moronic, totally unable to think critically about anything.
>it is an investment
It's a lousy one.
If your economy cannot absorb the new amount of graduates you're just paying for some other country to use it. Plus removing the incentive of money making from studying (no debt, no reason to make big buck) leads to even more people choosing meme useless careers.
I don't know a single person that wanted to contribute to society by studying something useful and didn't manage cause of money issues.
>lower costs
>through having mandatory insurance
>which doesn't discriminate, much, against pre-existing conditions
It'd be better to simply admit that America is already singly payer
We have a larger population than many of the countries with single payer systems put together, and more flow over the border all the time; even reduced cost single payer would bankrupt us.
>unable to think critically
They are able- it's just that they are using their minds for war instead of production- they fight instead of produce.
>they are using their minds for war instead of production
A retarded war against an enemy they invented for lack of one. An enemy far less threatening than at least a dozen others they outright ignore.
i'm pretty sure there is no consensus on how public expenditure affects long-term economic growth
this is not an argument, it currently is bankrupting a lot of people and 40mln dont have any healthcare. Can you stop shilling for the insurakikes? Show me estimates, not empty slogans,
>they fight fictitious enemies while ignoring real ones
Alright, this is pretty accurate.
>i'm pretty sure there is no consensus on how public expenditure affects long-term economic growth
That's not the point, though. That's what they want you to think is the point.
The issue is "more," like always.
>as it is an investment
If it is a good investment then the loans you take out for it should be worth it
US has second highest college degree rates behind Canada
You can already get free or near free tutition at most state schools
Don’t major in useless shit and don’t go to private school also go to community college for 2 years
That will get you debt free college
>>as it is an investment
>If it is a good investment then the loans you take out for it should be worth it
But-
>it currently is bankrupting a lot of people
People are not the government itself.
>40mln dont have any healthcare
And they can walk into any ER anywhere & get immediately life threatening shit treated, with & despite full knowledge they'll likely skip on the bill.
>The issue is "more," like always.
what do you mean?
Then why is everybody else living better and paying less per person for their healthcare than us? Our healthcare system only works if you're exorbitantly wealthy.
>Then why is everybody else living better and paying less per person for their healthcare than us?
probably because of blacks
>>The issue is "more," like always.
>what do you mean?
Whatever they say, just know that they want more, from others, and less from themselves.
Britain was always the leading model for single payer western healthcare; and their shit is collapsing under the enormous weight of so many refugees & migrants; and still with 66 million inhabitants to our 325 million.
Higher education isn't for everyone, nor should it be. Even some tech companies are now trending toward a degree-optional application setup, where your work is more important that some piece of paper from a university.
and thats hurting hospitals and doctors, why not fix it
>cuts funding
>shit falls apart
>SEE GUYS IT WAS ALWAYS SHIT TEE HEE
Oh really? What other merits are there besides intelligence?
>a degree-optional application setup, where your work is more important that some piece of paper from a university
I've never understood why this isn't more widespread; seems like the degree system was a wealth filter. Especially considering you can have a degree & still entirely suck rotten ass at whatever it's for.
if only that investment was paying for education and not commie indoctrination
Social development is fine, what's going on in those humanities and "studies" classes is social engineering led by kikes, which is wrong and dangerous.
Because once you cut down on the profitability, the advancement of it dies. Pharma companies are only going to dump funding into research if they can get it back out at least doubled.
>What other merits are there besides intelligence?
National cohesion, compassion for one's brother.
Single payer education is called "indoctrination".
Single payer MIGHT work here if you could instill a China like system of mandatory abortion & birth control; AND seal the borders shut.
Otherwise, no, not going to work.
pharma researches all around the world, not only in your shithole. The funding of healthcare has nothing to do with it.
>modern education is indoctrination
While I agree, I don't agree that "muh marxists" did it intentionally- rather, I think they saw what happened back home, and saw that it would happen elsewhere.
what is your education? management? healthcare? Oh I know, you have a PhD in trump memes, so much informed opinions!
>muh Jews
Jews aren't in a conspiracy, to trash the youth. The problem is that Jews are doing what society wishes of them
Costs, in different countries, bear no necessary relation- America's prices are partly due to the productivity of its people- nurses/doctors in shit countries are not only less well trained, but also have lesser opportunities outside of healthcare.
Other way around. The vast majority of normies are just doing what the kikes wish of them. They don't even know it.
>pharma researches all around the world, not only in your shithole
Yes, and those pharma companies also distribute all around the world, of which the US is one of the largest & most profitable markets. Its profitability gets cut, global healthcare takes a hit.
What's yours; bitching about an 80 year old German invasion?
Yeah, no. People aren't told what to want. The market drives Jews.
Single-payer wont work here. Look at the VA to see how the government handles healthcare.
Education is another beast. You're going to dumb down the curriculum more than it already is now while subsequently adding scores of people on wait lists for years. You also have the trouble of people not entering the workforce if everyone's busy with college, and that shit didn't work out for Chille in the 1960s very well.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Want to see how much his wife was charging for school at her new "Entrepreneurship"?
>nothing is free
t. Jew
>let's denigrate Sanders' wife for wanting to educate
And it just so happens that his wife is a college administrator. Subsidized college would make him rich. Nothing Jewy about this at all.
>college admins are making a killing
Desperation
medicare works well for a lot of people and could be funded much better by allowing people to pay into it instead of being drowned with private insurance
cringe and frankfurt school pilled
>bankrupting a school is educating anyone
Community Colleges Educate
Liberal Arts Colleges collect government loans
>predicting the future, based on the past
35% of medicare patients use privately run insurance called medicare advantage. That number is expected to rise to 50%. Moreover, paying into medicare is not an option. Look at how much of your taxes go into medicare.
>living better
Not necessarily.
>paying less
The reasons are complicated why the US. has high prices, but it has nothing to do with simplistic ideas such as "lol, capitalism". The US has great wait times, however, and I would not want such a thing to be disrupted by a socialized medical system.
One of the reasons might be the third-party payer system which bundles healthcare and employment, thus discouraging market pricing.
it sounds to me like private insurance is being cut in for scraps. good - you might even try to salvage the existing system and might get mileage out of it. good luck trying to force private insurance to make less money off of their revenue
the countries with private medicine (singapore, switzerland, chile) have it even cheaper. The US is just an outlier. So right back at you buddy.
if it werent for you golems, I would be german today
>seize wealth to fund universal healthcare
>economy collapses, country is impoverished
> no money available for universal healthcare, it's all gone, healthcare collapses.
>Now country has no economy and no healthcare.
Cannibalism doesn't work.
>people aren't told what to want
Someone doesn't know a thing about marketting I see.
>>people aren't told what to want
>Someone doesn't know a thing about marketting I see.
People aren't told what to want- they arte given what they want.
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first you have universal healthcare, in the second you have a mandate. Still not free market bullshit. Try again.
>The US has great wait times, however, and I would not want such a thing to be disrupted by a socialized medical system.
while i'm not saying the US should implement single-payer, note that public and private healthcare can exist in parallel
Vote Bernie! Need to elect this retard for 2020.
This commie scum will fuck over everything with his nigger infants understanding of economics.
The left will get what theh want.
>Murica in ruins.
>Possibility of civil war higher than ever.
>Looting violence and massive unrest.
In the end rebuild the system when everyone has had good taste of leftism.
Now that everyone knows they radicalize towards right.
The new system build by right wingers with the knowledge of what happened to the old system.
So why wouldnt you vote the commie?
Its the biggest fuck you and bomb you can throw at the system.
ACCELERATOIN!
Stealing someone's money in order to give it to someone else isn't an 'investment', fuckwit.
>muh taxation is theft
Begone lolbertarian
I feel like the newfags here dont realize that the only way forward is through chaos and old good violence.
Try to change the system by voting someone with closest views to your own?
Nah everything will get blocked by the rest of the gov, and all candidates that are atleast somewhat smarter than a sack of shit are Jewish puppets.
Only way to change things is to vote the ones with the worst ideas that will piss off everyone and are destined to fail.
Yes- they think that people will vote on what is predicted to happen, rather than what they see happen.
The unseen is the non-existent for most.
IMO one of the major factors preventing people from acting sooner, is not wanting to endure derision from society- but emotions are not tools of cognition!
>hurr durr go away
What passes for an answer in the proglodyte pea brain
First the US would need "no frills" universities, that just provide education, not experience.
Libertarianism doesn't preclude Fascism.