It is already possible to build a space elevator. The key idea is the Orbital Ring version of the space elevator, not the geosynchronous tether concept you are familiar with.
You get the idea. Any of these could be done for $100 billion or less, a negligible cost when considering a GDP of trillions of dollars.
Why do something like this? Overnight, asteroid mining becomes an incredibly profitable industry. Because the cost of delivering payloads to LEO drops from thousands of dollars per kilogram to less than $100 (potentially less than $1) we can now retrieve asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of minerals for mere tens millions of dollars in addition to having an easy viable way of returning those resources back to the surface. We acquire the ability to deploy profitable solar power in orbit above cloud cover and with the ability to return said power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator.
With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time. In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter. In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.
If your politician isn't talking about this, he is stupid or controlled opposition.
You play too many videogames, and consume too much Jewish culture in general. Stick to what you're good at; sucking cocks.
Andrew Nguyen
Absolute fantasy, considering the electrical nature of the universe. * Cost and material problems are irrelevant -- if it was built it would just act as a giant lightning rod.
Perhaps you aren't familiar with how lightning rods work. When they get hit with an electrical charge, they transmit the charge down the rod to a safe place. The rod itself isn't destroyed.
Asher Rodriguez
There is no material both strong enough and light enough to build the required tether. Space elevators are impossible.
Carson Green
Could you explain what you mean by
>Absolute fantasy, considering the electrical nature of the universe.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
David Lee
Mossad would blow it up, can't have actual progress going on
Kevin Parker
Just in time for someone to scream Allahu Akbar and blow it, so it falls on us
Noah Davis
I believe you are thinking of pic related. I am talking about the orbital ring design for a space elevator, proposed by Paul Birch (previous pics related). This video might help you understand the idea.
You both came in fast saying similar things. It can be protected from terrorism the same way we protect things like airline traffic. Airplanes are already a nice target for terrorism, yet they fly thousands of times per day with virtually no major terrorist incidents.
Gavin Brown
we can do it but we need to holocaust all the non-Jews in Israel first real quick will you h-help us desu?
We don't have a material that could support the cable weight for a terrestial space elevator; even carbon nanotubes wouldn't cut it if we could mass produce them cheaply and reliably.
The best solution would be a mass driver using a reusable SSTO delivery system, but people couldn't use it since the g-force would kill them.
The best option would be to build a moon base, develop it into a construction yard and ship materials back and forth using mass drivers between here and there. The gravity on the moon is relatively negligible and we could easily build a space elevator there using steel cables and/or carbon fibers.
Logan Howard
>can't maintain roads >gonna build space elevator sounds like a plan to me desu
Colton Morales
What is this astroid mining?
Dylan Gomez
See: I don't even doubt it's possible. But we can't even rebuild Notre Dame. We can't build in the beautiful artistic styles people put into architecture centuries ago. We build cheap ugly shit that is only profitable in the immediate moment. You're insane if you think we'll be able to build a space elevator before massive societal change.
Aaron Gray
On this note, where would the US source the steel to build the Space Elevator? Can the US ramp up domestic production to meet the demand?
Xavier Brown
You're probably thinking of a different design that relies on a very long tether. The orbital ring design does not use such a long tether, so it can be built with materials that we have had for decades, such as kevlar. I've posted some images, papers, and video that explain the difference, but you can ask any questions you have.
Building a moon base first using rockets would be far more expensive than building an orbital ring first, then using the ability to send payloads to the moan at 1/1000th of the cost to build a moon base.
Elijah Jenkins
Nope only time for gender and race politics now honk honk
The o-ring wouldn't work. The drag and tidal forces would rip that shit apart. We'd need to develop a material stronger than carbon spider silk.
These megaengineering projects are fun to think about, but they require Type 1 K civilizations and we're not there yet.
Landon Richardson
What you're saying is it needs to come from the private sector
Henry Thomas
This is yard talk. The only way forward is to reduce the mass of the earth by blasting Africa into the oort cloud thus reducing gravitational drag on our rockets.
Jordan Kelly
I've missed you.
Mason Cook
You have the cause and effect reversed. The building of cathedrals such as Notre Dame is what set off the renaissance, humanism, and later the industrial revolution. The organization, gathering and training of skilled workers, and planting the idea in people's minds that they could be more than peasants.
Aiden Turner
Yes, the US has plenty of raw materials to build enough steel for an orbital ring.
Aaron Rogers
Paul Birch addresses several of these things in his papers. It could easily withstand a category 5 hurricane without failure.
Having private firms contract to do the construction work is a good idea. However, a private firm working on their own cannot protect a space elevator from threats by other nations.
Kayden White
see: >SpaceX >Domino's
Brandon Hernandez
>One gravitational wave, annnnnnnnnd it’s gone. What on earth are you trying to say?
Gabriel Baker
I said it
Sebastian Williams
What's to stop a terrorist group from hitting one of the pillars and wiping out a city when it falls Been more than a few sci-fi novels with that plot
Chase Butler
Unless lucky Larry needs to claim another ten gorillion shekel insurance
William Young
If the Soviet Union hadn't been destroyed, we would already have advanced orbital infrastructure.
The tethers won't be near major cities for exactly this reason. They will be sheathed in armor within a few years of construction. Security measures will protect it from things like bombs.
It's important to know that most terrorism is synthetic. Sponsored by the target nation to justify a response.
Oliver Moore
Trillions of dollars in new economic production is precisely how you save an economy. The petrodollar is precisely why it is failing.
Kayden Anderson
You forgot your punctuation
Ayden Diaz
What about re-educating peaceful superstitious people and fighting those who try to impose Sharia if necessary?
Religion is a barrier to material progress. The Soviets, who were working on exactly the kind of orbiting solar power system you propose, understood this.
The US took the wrong side in the Afghan-Soviet War, and set human progress back half a century.
I'll look into it. I'm not against this kinda stuff, we could use a sort of mega project to lift our spirits up.
David Wood
>Waaaa, me incapable of looking to the future because me not so smart and me say space gay cuz me don't want see smart people go beyond me. Fuck off, we need to look to the cosmos for our solutions or else we will forever remain here in the dirt, never to advance and only to devolve.
Is there any feasible plans to build this orbital ring without the outlay of trillions?
You just cant overcome peoples skepticism if not
Jace Young
bassed
James Garcia
>It is already possible to build a space elevator. no it's not, and if it were then lightning would destroy it.
Ethan Garcia
Plus Ultra user lives!
Jackson Rogers
Might be a good way to jumpstart it though.
Dominic Thompson
>What about re-educating peaceful superstitious people and fighting those who try to impose Sharia if necessary? Educating people not to be backward and superstitious is good, but we don't anything like invading their countries to enforce this. Tolerance is best spread by example.
>The US took the wrong side in the Afghan-Soviet War, and set human progress back half a century. These are good observations. The reality goes somewhat deeper. A small group was controlling both sides of the Cold War. The same group took down the Soviet Union under Bush, and promised economic development in return, but never delivered. Putin arose in reaction to the treachery.
Nolan Collins
100 billion wont even remotely cover the cost. You still high from the 20th?
Juan Cook
No. The Black Death lowered Europe's population to the point where labor was expensive, incentivizing machine production, automation, and eventually industrialization.
Ancient Greece had organization, advanced mechanics, steam engines, etc but never applied these tools to industry because they had a ready supply of slaves.
China had organization and mass construction on an even larger scale, but also didn't industrialize until very recently precisely because it could throw bodies at every problem.
>Is there any feasible plans to build this orbital ring without the outlay of trillions? Yes. Paul Birch's papers have cost estimates of tens of billions of dollars. They're old, but within the ball park.
It's pretty trivial to put a lightning rod on it. Tall building get struck by lightning pretty regularly without being destroyed.
Jonathan Hill
talk of space elevator makes me sad reminding of the good old days
Logan Murphy
Tried it already, and God smote us and made everyone not speak American.
Isaiah Murphy
>100 billion wont even remotely cover the cost. What parts of Birch's cost estimates do you disagree with?
Brayden Sanders
But tall buildings don’t extend past the ground state. Static buildup would overload everything if you couldn’t dissipate it. A space elevator would cause lightning, a lot.
Jack Walker
kek that was a LADDER man. You think our lazy asses are going to WALK these dats
Brody Martinez
First of all I dont need to read a cost estimate to know it's wrong. Where the fuck you getting enough material to build a orbital ring let alone the labor for 100 billion? That's also ignoring the cost to get it into orbit.
Jaxon Perry
Btw I fully support a space elevator and it would be awesome to see in my lifetime but it's too much money for anyone to raise
Henry Reyes
Way to make your picture unreadable fuckwad.
Joshua Diaz
>the US could cut everyone's taxes But they wouldn't and would keep getting taxes too
Jason Miller
Can't build the orbital ring without a decent rail gun to get the goods up there.
Lucas Allen
You can already do this yourself, just use a normal elevator and a VR headset... you don't even need the elevator really.
Caleb Bennett
Why does Birch's ring design not require a super strong material for the tethers? That is what is holding us back from an engineering standpoint at the moment.
Isaac Peterson
Continuously inhabited space stations, GPS, universal access to GIS data and efficient real time direction path routing algorithms, widely available intercontinental flights for less than a day's wage, etc aerospace advancements were science fiction until recently.
We are still coasting on the gains made in WWII an the Cold War, but boosting levels of R&D funding in aerospace back to wartime levels relative to GDP could get us some pretty amazing tech, especially if there was some real tangible goal in mind besides pork projects for every congressional district.
Now, maybe the US won't do it. If China keeps growing at anything close to their current rates it seems like they would be interested.
Again, its a real shame the Soviets didn't hold out a few more years. The oil price stabilization during most of the 90s, and rising prices in the 00s, along with advances in computing power (ideal for running a planned economy) would have easily helped them overcome their 1980s slowdown.
Unnecessary when the west itself is imploding. Space is something that will have to wait for future generations if/when things on earth are sorted out. Webm related isn't going to conquor the stars.
Also while elmer fudd's vids are recomended from a science and engineering standpoint, his understanding of demographics and human social interaction is laughable.
We spent $700 billion for the military. There's plenty of room in the budget to build a space elevator.
Adrian Evans
You don't re-build your culture by turning inward and backward. Giving people hope and a common mission is the best cure to the degenerating culture.
Jeremiah Harris
I'm not saying we cant spend the money. Im saying it will be significantly more then 100 billion. I mean for fucks sake the issue has cost over 150 billion. But we are going to build an orbital ring over 25,000 miles in circumference for 100 billion? So $40,000 a mile? This isnt a fence at the Mexican border. It's a structure in earth's orbit
Eli Nelson
A space elevator would alter earths electromagnetic shielding. And then there’s micrometeorites, space debris, pressure differentials, static buildup. To many variables. Science fiction is fun though.. Let’s make replicators first.
Even if it cost a trillion dollars, the costs are justified. It pays for itself thousands of times over.
Joshua Davis
HEROIC BUMP for non-identity politics garbage!
High Level Insider user makes a great case for space elevator: archaic of posts from his threads here : hli.anoninfo.net
God bless OP
Juan Baker
We're all Mexicans now.
Gavin Howard
How?
Elijah Evans
I said you cant do it for 100 billion not that it's not justified. And 1 trillion is still way to low of an estimate
Dylan Richardson
You dont give anyone hope by dumping a project that will bankrupt them onto of already existing social chaos. Even in that vid series space elevators and rings are the end goal with many lesser projects building up to them. You gotta get your house in order before you go out user.
Aaron Bailey
Meteorites and space debris can be handled with lasers and shielding. Pressure differentials are solved by airlocks. Static buildup can be dissipated with a grounded wire. Replicators are a possibility, but you need a lot more energy than we currently generate.
Hunter Rodriguez
You think the Chinese is going to fork over another $10 Trillion for this thing? Unlikely.
Elijah James
it's not just a matter of going up, it's the sideways acceleration required to maintain orbit. Like a dancer slowing down in a pirouette when putting her arms out
Nathan Turner
Hundreds of trillions of dollars form asteroid mining. Reducing the cost of energy by two orders of magnitude. 20% gdp growth for decades as a result. Defending earth from asteroid impacts.
