Which one is the 'real' anarchist?

>you're only right in the head if you want to be ruled by others
>agency is a sign of a healthy human mind
pick one

God I fucking hate weeaboos, posting an anime picture is fine, but when you try to emulate how an anime girl talks in your post you should be gassed

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yeah but there hasnt been an anarchist sosciety built under the ideology 100%. Except for very very early ancient greek soscieties, that very much worked until someone fucked it up.

Kowloon Wall City was more successful by many metrics than the USSR

Either one inevitably gives rise to some form of government

Ancom: rule by the commune. if they don't like something you do, or if you don't contribute correctly, etc. etc., they'll kill you.
Ancap: rule by the big money men, they begin buying private security forces, enforcing territory rules. essentially, corporations start doing what governments used to do. if you don't pay your taxes for the land they sold you, they kill you.

anarchy is a great idea and the only real path to the truest sense of freedom, but humans are naturally drawn to systems of order and as a result that freedom is fleeting

any way you slice it, we're fucked

fpbp

this

Cretin.
The red and black has always represented ANARCHO-SYNDICALISTS - google them. Ancomm and Ancap are just retarded forced memes from a Mongolian basket weaving forum.

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>! This means you can't force your opinion on other people by using force because that is the essence of ruling.

use force anyway and force my opinion on other people
what fuck are they gonna do, they cant use force

The only one that will naturally occur in an anarchy. Without structure the needs and wants will be governed by the individual. A "capitalist" society.

As nature abhors a vacuum, however. Individuals will amass enough power to become tribal rulers and anarchy will be abolished in favour for security.

Ancom is an oxymoron, destroy government, to build a total overall controlling one??? seems legit.

Ancap is a legit form of anarchism but it isn't the only one that's a "true" form of it.
Fuck off Israeli shills
these anons gets it

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THIS, you dumb fucks!

this

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>Ancap is a legit form of anarchism but it isn't the only one that's a "true" form of it. Go read a book, FFS
Bullshit, idiot

Id lick her clit if you know what i mean

I wasn't emulating that but thanks for the compliment.

You can't force yourself onto others but you can defend yourself from others.

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ANCRAP is as far from 'legitimate' as you can get

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checked

>Anarchism: no rulers! This means you can't force your opinion on other people by using force because that is the essence of ruling.
What is going to keep people from doing exactly that?

The fact aside that it was an utter shithole where organised crime ruled, where is it now? Oh, right - it was gotten rid of by an actual state nearby and it had no means to defend itself.

Don't you think that a decentralized society with no guidance, authority, status quo, or concrete laws with a organized police force would result in destabilization and discordance among the general population?

People would be unorganized and concerned with their own needs like their families or relationships rather than the communal needs of the people. Selfishness is a human gene, that's why capitalism is so successful because people are materialistic and have shallow desires. Plus you add competition and that blows the fuck out of any anarchist or even communist ideology because people are always trying to get to the top of the food chain.

thats a simple question OP, the anarcho communist. Reason; with anarcho capitalism you are either an idiot who thinks capitalism and anarchy can live together, OR you are an idiot that doesnt realize the capitalist will snap out of it and exterminate you like roaches. In ANARCHO Communism you are either an idiot that doesnt realize your system will in fact result in anarchy, OR you are a smart person that realizes communism will result in anarchy.

>The red and black has always represented ANARCHO-SYNDICALISTS
Autism post
>Ancomm and Ancap are just retarded forced memes from a Mongolian basket weaving forum.
Even mroe autistic
Why are you "This! so much this!!!" on your own post? kek, fucking sad.
"Go read a book, FFS"
Either you fucked up quoting me like a retard or typed that in because you're upset, fucking kek stay mad kike
>Bullshit, idiot
Oh the irony.
Why do you keep replying to yourself?

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So neither

in other words Ancap = capitalism + dead communists ancom = anarchy.

Why are you weeaboos such perverted paedophiles?

Every statement you made just proves my point - Ancrap is a Jow Forums meme and its "adherents" are nothing more than angst-ridden incel teens.
If ANCRAP was serious, it would have been written about a century ago. But instead, the only place where it is written is this shitty board. My point(s) proven again.

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Wait a minute, I know who you are you tranny

jews are the true anarchists

"angst ridden incel teens"
is hardly that insulting coming from a estrogenic, skinny jeans wearing redditor faggot who is considering the LGBT life as a serious solution to his problem of women finding him far too weak and gay to be sexually viable

>my points proven again
oh hail my intellectual valor, it helps me feel better about my miserable existence on the fringes of the gene selection pool

>use force anyway and force my opinion on other people. what fuck are they gonna do, they cant use force
It's called defending yourself, what kind of shit tier argument was that LMFAO
>What is going to keep people from doing exactly that?
People organizing defending themselves
>Every statement you made just proves my point
Not rly
>its "adherents" are nothing more than angst-ridden incel teens.
Projecting
>If ANCRAP was serious, it would have been written about a century ago.
Because no one studied/thought of on the topics of anarchism that much 100 years ago. We didn't have such a large trade capacity as individuals back then so of course Ancap wasn't thought of at the time, same reason why ancom wasn't tought of. Just because an idea wan't around 100 years ago doesn't mean it can't be valid lmfao.
>But instead, the only place where it is written is this shitty board. My point(s) proven again.
Kek, the only person saying your points make sense is you. It's like a guy screaming "I'M RIGHT! I'M RIGHT! I'M RIGHT! I'M RIGHT!" over and over, holy kek you're fucking sad user, now back to plebbit r/blacked misses you LMFAOOOO

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Go back to bed son, before mum finds you on her poota again,

>Because no one studied/thought of on the topics of anarchism that much 100 years ago
Really? Again, go read some books, you dumb SOB. You will find that the subject was VERY popular back at this time!

Because the only thing we learned while growing up is that adults will fuck you up on a whim and so our sexual urges were redirected towards pre-pubescent females. Not to say that older females can't be attractive but it opened the gates to finding younger ones attractive. Being primarily attracted to that which harms you is not a good thing. This is also why we prefer drawings over real females. Drawings can't harm you. Drawings can't repeatedly bash your head into a metal door at age 4 because you were trying to flee your home at night but your mother caught you. Drawings don't ignore your cries for help while being abused. Drawings don't use any shred of adult authority to order you around. Drawings just don't fuck your shit up. The more you were harmed by real adults the more solace you can find in fictional little girls.

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Huh.... so this is what happens when you ban bullying in schools..

Ancap, because the natural state of man is a hierarchy. The Private market and corps are what naturally followed the desire for wealth and occupation. Ancoms have this weird idea that people would just not orginize and pay eachother with 1 guy being a project manager of the whole thing.

Ancap is just true anarchy, every other anarchy is just what people want society to behave like.

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LOL

An-cap: Statelessness
Anarchism: It's not a state when we do it

>People organizing defending themselves
And in order to compete with a properly organised state with a standing army you need a properly organised state with a standing army. Good job at proving that Anarchy doesn't work.

oh being bullied just pushes you further into drawings. Being abused by peers rather than just those with authority over you makes you distrust everyone.

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>her poota again
Ah a spic, no wonder you're so retarded, turn off the VPN juan
>Really? Again, go read some books
Not an arguement
>you dumb SOB
projecting
>You will find that the subject was VERY popular back at this time!
Link me some sources of this user, I've only seen VERY limited people looking into stateless societies in the early 1900's aka around "100 years ago". Most of the people talking about stateless societies were Greek or Roman philosophers and the idea only came back around the 1960's and the idea wasn't really developed on. So Please as i said fuck off back to plebbit dirty spic
p l e b b i t

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Be honest, the only reason you’re an ancap is because you want to be able to buy child slaves

extreme superiority complex and projection

you need to realize that not everybody who disagrees with you is somehow socially beneath you, attacking perceived social status a very feminine trait.
I liek the calling me son though, implying that you possess wisdom from age, this is another cheap box ticking tactic, you have no idea who i am or what i do. your projection makes it obvious that your social standing is quite low

Commies are infincels
Involuntary financial celibate

This is what happens when children think the internet gives them an equal playing field with adults.
You get forced memes seen as ideology. You argue with experts who have never read a word about their area of expertise (apart of course, from shitposts on 4chins).
Tragic.

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in fact, your entire premise in these comments is "you are the worst/lowest form of life, i'm not quite as low as you are, therefore i am superior compared to you"

you set a pretty low standard for yourself, which says a lot

They're both anarchists and they're both shit.

bring back bullying
youtube.com/watch?v=3YUAwFxhuNY
>in order to compete with a properly organised state with a standing army you need a properly organised state with a standing army
Yeah man everyone knows the US had a HUGE army in the revolution and totally overwhelmed the British empire right user? LMFAO. Good job at proving that Anarchy does work.

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They're just following different definitions of "archon". Ancaps say that an archon is one who employs coercive force. Ancoms say it's anyone who has anything or does anything or so much as fucking exists because ancoms are fucking stupid.

Funnily enough I wished for being able to do that before becoming an ancap. Not anymore. The joke about trading lolis for a nuke was just an excuse to post lolis. I may not want that anymore but as far as I know nobody has been able to figure out how to change sexual orientation in a permanent manner. It can be repressed of course, but not changed. There is no reason to repress my attraction in regards to drawings because they aren't real and thus can't be harmed.

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>comments on expertise instead of substance
Fuck off

Why are you still posting spic? Still upset I fucking crushed your shitty arguments? BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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And leftists aren’t angst-ridden teens? Ancap makes sense as it is simply what happens when people try and live their lives, start a business, without a suffocating government to tell them how.

AnPrim

For a paedophile you’re rather wholesome, I’ll give you that

neither, nigger.
if there were anarchy, all you cucks would be hiding from me.

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Ancom is anprim after the inevitable economic collapse.

AnarchCap is literally Japanese fuedalism I dunno where the fuck you niggers get your “muh based economy” from.

AnarchCom is straight up a bullshit idea, I dunno how it can even exist. Or how it was even conceived

Ancapism, but they’re all a bunch of fucking autists anyway.

shut up, let me live my Japanese feudalism fantasy
take that back neocon

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>totally overwhelmed the British empire
With help from the French - an actual country with an actual army and vast resources - who had already exhausted them. Not to mention that there was an ocean between Britain and the US. What do you think would have happened without the French or if Britain had been fully committed?
Ancaps like yourself are historically ignorant. They are dumb Americans who argue from their insular, secluded, irrelevant position at the other end of the Earth, when Europe has seen plenty of people who sought autonomy and were mercilessly crushed by their stronger neighbours. Refer to the Battle of Visby for example, where an autonomous farming community messed with the King of Denmark. Or the Battle of Marignano where Switzerland was so badly beaten by France that they had to pledge eternal neutrality and give up any political ambitions. Or the famous Melian dialogue where the autonomous city state of Melos refused to pay tribute to the Republic of Athens, appealing to their sense of justice, arguing that Sparta or the Gods would aid them if they had a just cause, only to find themselves alone and beaten, their men killed, their women and children enslaved and their city razed.

Ancapism is a dumb ideology that people come up with in the middle of nowhere where there are no Mongol hordes and Muslim invaders at their doorstep.

Money *as it exists* is a product of state authority. True natural money, gold, is not.

Ahahaha. What do you ancaps think of white nationalism, anyway? I would like to know how this fits into your markets. Nigger societies can’t be libertarian.

Classical anarchism - anti socio/economic/political hierarchy, and communalist.
Modern anarchism- anti-statist, individualist, anti-political action.

Ancom is classical, ancap is the modern tradition along with post-leftism, egoism, etc.

try again, fag

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There is no anarcho-this or anarcho-that. You are an aarchist or you are not.
If you are an anarchist, then you don't want to run a centralized authority with cops to enforce your ideas on the others.
If tht don't exist, then people will use precious metal for trading purpose, use paper money if they trust it and exchange it with an interest rate.

You get your nationalism if we get our free market. National Capitalism. Deal?

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>With help from the French - an actual country with an actual army
I stopped reading there, it's obvious you using this shitty example shows how little you know what you're talking about and you're probably from Europe. you realize that France BARELY had a effect on the Brits because of how hard they were getting fucked at sea right? Like the amount of soldiers that made it to the US during the revolution was so minimal that they made up the same numbers as the fucking aboriginals who joined the US militias LMFAO. Stop larping as "based nazi bro" saying we NEEd a large government to protect us, fucking kek. Pathetic and sad.
>What do you ancaps think of white nationalism, anyway?
If it's achieved through non violent means I don't really care, I personally think we'd perform better as either a ethnostate and/or have a mono culture, also multiculturalism + large government fucks people over double time fast. But I'm against using violence to achieve it, call me amoral fag but my point still stands.
>Nigger societies can’t be libertarian.
True, black majority countries aren't exactly know for freedom and small government control
kek, and nice digits

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Deal! I’m glad we can come to an agreement. Rothbard May have been a kike but you guys aren’t all bad.

And without authority, who stop me from using money?

How long do you think the US would have lasted if they were located next to Prussia or France? I can only repeat: your ideology is a pipe dream that was born in the middle of nowhere. When all you have to fear is primitive natives and wild animals you may get the idea that you can get by with just a rifle in the trunk of your car, but when you're located next to an organised mass of people who mean business, you need organisation too. You were lucky that France helped you out and that Britain was far from a major power on the land at that time period.

Anarchism is against human nature. We're a social species that have to rely on a hierarchy to survive.

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A free market is a degenerative force.

Inherent to free market Capitalism is the imperative to enhance the means of production and to expand markets to meet the demands of interest. This means that if you want to keep the system running you have no choice but to globalise. Karl Marx knew this, which is why he considered Capitalism a vital step on the road to Communism. In the Anglophone world, whig liberals managed to fool people into believing they were conservatives and that anything critical of Capitalism was Marxist, when in fact free market Capitalism was a dialectic step on the road to Communism as it would be the catalyst of destruction of the old order. A global market would homogenise the means of consumption, it would give rise to a global culture, global language. To meet the demands of labour it is inherent that sooner or later the Capitalist would demand for immigration, which would dilute race. Expanding markets also means mobilising women as consumers, meaning that they need jobs and autonomy.

The idea that you could maintain a traditional society under a free market economy is as ridiculous as the idea that you could maintain a state of Anarchy.
We had anarchy at some point in history, we don't have anarchy any more. States are a cultural constant that globally emerge because they are a part of human nature and a natural consequence of the scarcity of resources and the necessity to claim and defend them.

again like i said to organized militias.

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Both result in tribalism, then feudalism, so it’s like. Gay and gayer.

An organised militia will still be worse than an organised army. One is a professional the other is a hobbyist. And how are you going to implement any kind of national strategy when your militia operates locally and there is no national leadership? And as soon as you introduce all these things you will end up with a state. Even if you try to limit the state to being an army only - what is going to keep them from taking over when they have the means to do so?

>How long do you think the US would have lasted if they were located next to Prussia or France?
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>your ideology is a pipe dream that was born in the middle of nowhere
All ideologies are born "out of nowhere"
>You were lucky that France helped you out and that Britain was far from a major power on the land at that time period.
As i said the help from France was GREATLY over estimated, very few soldiers made it to the US because the Brits dominated the seas. Also fuck off euro fag.

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>you realize that France BARELY had a effect on the Brits
We gave you 500 tons of weaponry, 90% of the powder you used, raised a 400 000 men army and got ready to invade Englnd if the army left for the colony and invested more than our GDP in naval supremacy.
Without us, you wouldn't even know about the revolt.

>organized militias.
This don't protect for free. If you are not a member, they will ask for protection money and deal with competitors by shooting them.

Don't forget to call them Mylord.

The Viets, the Afgans and the Iraqui want to have a word with you.

>All ideologies are born "out of nowhere"
No, some ideologies are forged in thousands of years of brutal conflict among rivalling powers rather than in the emptiness of the prairie with nothing to fear but primitive natives and wild animals, or some Jewish academic ivory tower.

Under one 'private' entities with superior access to coercive violence will arise, leading to de facto government. Under the other, the local commune/syndicate/whatever will wield a monopoly on access to 'legitimate' coercive violence, which is de facto a government.
In truth it isn't that anarchism 'doesn't work,' it is that it cannot exist. Much in the way that nature hates a vacuum, there are always power relations which are imbalanced. A man is only anarchist when he is alone.

Afghanistan was conquered and the Taliban driven away. The reason why they're still around is because they didn't put the right people in charge to root them out. The Iraqis were beaten, their leader killed. And Vietnam was lost at the home front more than the battlefield. If the US had been serious about it they could have ended things a lot differently.

O B S E S S E D

The idea that you can maintain a traditional society withou a free market is ridiculous. The free market has no safety net, it forces you to rely on yourself. It makes personal responsibility unavoidable. You cannot foser traditional values by giving free shit, you cannot foster traditional values by telling people that they can rely on daddy state if need be. Nationalists want to preserve the greatness of yore without ever wondering how it came to be. Taxation is inherently disgenic because it, by definition, transfers wealth from those who create it in abundance to those who can't create enough for themselves. Regulations and welfare are even worse. The free market is the closest modern equivalent we have to natural selection. Greatness is created and maintained through competition, not through being a fucking carebear. Ethnonationalism is not enough because plenty of whites are fucking trash. Whites are not inherently great, the standard has to be higher. If you can't provide for yourself then you have no place in a nation of greatness and using race as an excuse to leech from your fellow whites just makes you more undesirable.

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What’s under that ancap flag, I’m curious

Money is illusion. Just like government

Any anarchist society would get ROFLstomped by an organized military unless the people of that society banded together to form a STATE

Mutalism (Orange and Black)

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Neither, both are very helpful

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