Communism is good actually

Wow everything I ever knew just went out the window

if marxism is so bad why do countries with socialized healthcare have better quality of life than most powerful economy of america

italy hasn't had a functioning republic since before jesus christ

and it's had marxist healthcare since the 1800s

so why does it have the highest life expectancy?

thats exactly what a capitalist npc would say

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You're a jew
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Which countries are those? People in Venezuela are dying because there's no medicine. Canadians can be told they're too sick to be worth saving and fewer things are covered by the socialist benefits every year. British have terrible teeth thanks to their social healthcare.

I can keep going but you're already proven multiple times to be a liar. So I can't be arsed.

Italy's economy is on the brink of collapse. Try again commie shill.

canadian people can go into debt to get healthcare just like they do in america. thing is they don't go into debt just because they slipped on ice or whatever

that's why they have a better quality of life

also bad british teeth is a meme but has no bearing in reality in 2019

get some data about british teeth and you'll find they have better oral health than the USA no matter what tv actors look like

reminder: don't respond to threads by memeflags

Funny how all you can do is parrot lies and accuse others of being shills when you're proven wrong.

sounds like they run a tight ship, "brink of collapse" isn't collapse. compare statistics of human health between italy and america and you'll see their system is better

call me when they actually collapse, which probably won't happen. italy is stronk

sounds like Jow Forums to me ;^)

reminder: ignore facts and be an NPC echo chamber shill

People in Canada have literally been told the waiting list is too long.
>Have 6 months to live before infection kills you
>9 month waiting list to see specialist

so why do they live longer than the USA? are canadians genetically superior to americans?

>Not understanding logarithms

Wow, so you're trying to claim that a failing economy isn't a failure because it hasn't completely failed.

>Be a commie Jew
>Italy still has some money in the economy
>"Let's suck it dry before anyone knows what happened!"

I don't think the economy is failing, they have a vibrant culture with lots of national solidarity, a high quality of life and frankly you have provided zero evidence to support your probably false assertion that the italian economy is about to fail

Canadians live longer because we aren't morbidly obese like amerifats are. Socialist healthcare doesn't fix that, not eating like a glutton does.

the country that puts gravy and cheese on french fries isn't gluttonous?

It's been in the news. Having a vibrant culture, national solidarity and a high quality of life doesn't drive your economy. Italy depends on tourism because almost all the manufacturing is gone, and right now a lot of people are avoiding Europe in general because everything everywhere there is so expensive.

>sucking money out of industry
Yeah TOTALLY

China is not capitalist, they allow firms to run independently but the CCCP has the power to seize their wealth and give direct orders. The Communist party owns everything.

Watch out, getting a healthy amount of daily nutrients is gluttonous to a commie

sounds like communist china who has the most manufacturing in the world is the real economic powerhouse here

communism wins again lol

>communigger cultist
>calling anyone else an npc

u mad?

Got to agree its good way to piss everyone off and mass redpill them.

You are not obligated to eat french fries in that manner. You are, in fact, not obligated to eat french fries at all. That's the great thing about choosing to eat healthy and has absolutely nothing to do with communism aside from the fact that under communism everyone would just be starving.

>Everyone in China is poor except the people running the country
Communism is so great, it made China the cheapest labor force in the world.

meanwhile communist china has had the greatest economic gains for the poor in history under a communist system

it was only after Mao killed all the landlords and Stalin killed all the Kulaks that their population boomed

China had too many people and managed to keep their population from growing too large

Capitalist countries rely on famines and starvation to control their population whereas a communist system can manage its economy directly

I think communism wins again, sorry

and the largest population brought out of poverty, china has the largest middle class worldwide and more billionaires than any single western country

sorry communism wins again

Typical commie. Can't even basic into logic.

Logic is about attacking your opponents arguments, not just saying "oh you cant do logic"

if you can't argue against my points just don't posts

So now you're advocating for shooting everyone you disagree with as justification for population control? Because that's what Stalin and Mao did. And the last time I checked, the Soviet Union was full of starving people who were tired of starving. Perestroika happened for a reason. People in China are only not starving because they produce massive amounts of rice. People in Venezuela are starving.

How does communism win by any definition when the one major success had to start trading with capitalists to survive? And the Chinese live under mass censorship and propaganda. Doesn't sound great to me.

>communism stays alive due to warped confirmation bias
>user posts likely the best possible example of this to date
bravo

>you can't argue with data
Correct.

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do you seriously think capitalist states don't shoot people? have you been living on the moon?

We all know that all capitalism and democracy breed puppet governments ruled by the elite and rich, Trump is a clear example of this injustice including Hillary's betrayal of Bernie is a clear indictment of the upper class Plutocracy ruling the country.

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well here's the thing, the communist manifesto proposes socialized spending, whereas mein kampf advocates killing all the jews

so let's take a look at the world

>the jews are still here
>and also socialized healthcare etc

hmm looks like the facts dont support your assertion

Yeah, and it's a fact that China can't possibly sustain its economy for much longer. The middle class want more from life and the Chinese are having to run factories at a loss just to keep people working. Because if the Chinese ever revolted against their government it'd be over in 24 hours.

And if they have more billionaires than anywhere else, how is that benefitting the workers?

Both comunism and capitalism are shit. Comunism is nice words and all but at the end of the day it ends up in a dictatorship where what is mine is yours and what is yours is yours.
Capitalism is shit because it gives too much power to banks and multinationals .

again, you need to support these arguments you're making. I haven't seen any data that china or italy are on the brink of collapse, all I see a strong economies that take care of their people through socialism

exactly what marx wanted

The difference is, you're justifying the behavior of dictators who murdered millions vs the actions of criminals.

so then we should look at human happiness and health

states that use communist healthcare et cetera have happier and healthier people

pure capitalism is bad, and if you insist pure communism is bad well I'll settle for a semi-communist system like most first world nations enjoy

america needs communist healthcare, the republican party is insane

>communism is nice words and all
this is a stupid meme, it's not even good in theory

capitalist economies never have dictators or millions of murders? I don't think this resembles reality

>commies spark a war that absolutely destroys europes infrastructure and in turn cripples its economies
>the most capitalist country in the world holds a monopoly on production as a consequence
>said capitalist country uses its monopoly as efficient as possible and churns unprecedented wealth
>totally communism

>everybody having a happy life
>this is bad

lol americans are either retarded or evil

meanwhile China is rising and becoming the most powerful state in the world

you sound like a capitalist npc

There have been multiple news reports on China's battle to save itself from collapsing under its own weight and there have been a number of articles reporting on the severe underfunding of Italy.

I'm not here to educate you, commie. You wouldn't listen anyway. I'm here to make you look like an idiot. And considering that you have failed to answer for the failures of the USSR and Venezuela it's safe to say you choose to be blind to the failings of your ideals.

>im not here to educate you

you sound like an SJW lmao

>27 posts by this ID
>0 worth reading

capitalist npc trying to keep his snowflake echo chamber a safe space

What's to argue? Your lack of understanding about causation?

you sound like a twitter blue hair. if you have a problem with my arguments, then countermand them with your own

just saying "durr this guy is racist i mean communist" isn't enough to prove me wrong

The United States of America hasn't murdered millions of its own citizens.

As for the US needing socialized healthcare, who's going to pay for that? The US economy is not big enough to fund that. You can't just spend your way out of healthcare problems. You need healthy people. And as long as far acceptance is pushed by people like you, people won't be healthy and they will instead burden the healthcare system.

i bet you're buttmad because trump loves north korea

the USA has more people in its jails than the USSR ever had under the gulag system

the USA has killed more people than any other nation to keep the capitalist system going

the USA is the greatest indictment of capitalism

>Commie
>SJW
You think you can call someone else an SJW? That's hilarious.

frankly I don't care about your blue hair bullshit. at the end of the day I want people to be able to have medicine and a job

just because you've constructed this strawman to keep your echo chamber a safespace doesn't mean communist medicine isn't a superior way to keep your people healthy

even the nazis didn't abolish communist healthcare

Communism Definition . Fool who bends over and lets a Bernie Sanders fuck them in the ass

Do you actually believe in dialectical materialism? A purely materialistic view of the world seems very nihilistic

nice meme

Again, what's to argue? You don't understand the data because you can't follow basic thought processes through to logical solutions, typical of communists.
Further proof is your claim that I am angry that Trump is working with NK. Why would that anger anybody?

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can't argue with data

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And yet China had to resort to trading with market capitalists to grow their stagnant economy. Stalin killed millions of people who did not agree with him. Mao killed millions of people who did not agree with him.

The reason for the prison system is to enforce laws. In China, breaking a law is liable to get you killed. Not so in the US. And while I will not defend the US' warmongering in places they do not belong, the same argument could be made for China's refusal to acknowledge Taiwanese independence.

And an alarming number of dictators (including the dictatorial, censorious Chinese) throughout history have been communists. Not all of them, but many. Why? Because communism is an excellent way to control the population and restrict freedom.

The Dialectic is just a way of describing how people see the world. "us vs them" "capitalism vs communism" "dc vs marvel"

If you make material actions in the real world because of this dialectic, you're engaging in dialectical materialism.

The moment you say "I don't give a shit i'm going to wal*mart" you're engaging in Dialectical Materialism.

The Moment you say "actually I don't want to go to Wal*Mart, I'm going to Target" you're engaging in Dialectical Materialism

Hegelian Dialectics makes this more complex but at the basis of Marxist Materialism is the idea that "the ideology that informs my material decisions has a material effect on the world in on way or another"

I hope that clears this up, feel free to ask me more

sounds like you have no arguments. Even Slavoj Zizek was able to address Jordan Peterson's positions even though he completely failed to do his homework

the reddest of pills

Just so we are clear on terms.
Materialism = the real world exists, and the sensation and experience we have of it is based off of us sensing and detecting it.

Idealism = the perceptions we have are the only thing thats real, the external world does not exist or if it does exist it is a projection of our minds.

Liberalism, which capitalism and SJW is based on, is based on idealism.

A purely materialistic view of the world is not nihilistic, it just means you think the physical universe is a real phenomena thats actually there. It might have a purpose, a creator, etc, it might not, these things are not a part of what materialism means.

correlation=/=causation

>The reason for the prison system is to enforce laws. In China, breaking a law is liable to get you killed. Not so in the US.

well from a humanist perspective maybe this is the better way. China has created a larger middle class than America. China has fewer people in prisons than America.

America's prisons make a handful of people rich. Are you going to tell me that Jow Forums has a pro-life stance with regard to average people?

I don't think that resembles reality. Jow Forums doesnt look like a safe space where we cuddle every blue hair that says "I matter"

why is it that Jow Forums turns into a bunch of caremad faggots when communism has to take out the trash when capitalist countries routinely spread lead every day

You keep your people healthy by teaching them how to stay healthy in the first place and encouraging them to be healthy. Communist medicine is just a way to control who gets medicine and who doesn't based upon something other than money. It's not superior. People in Venezuela are dying because their socialist healthcare system ran out of money and medicine. You keep making excuses for a system that doesn't work without massive government spending. And you refuse to answer who will pay for it because doctors and medicine are not free!

>Whatisindustrialrevolution.jpg
Amazing

meanwhile the most pure capitalist economy on earth has the most unhealthy population on earth, even though it has a less dense population

I'm sorry, your position doesn't fit reality when you examine the real ramifications of human lifespans and human happiness

thats actually interesting and not what i thought at all, ive been wanting to get into philosophy for a long time especially Hegel but it's just so daunting

>capitalist NPC: VENEZUELA

me: but China

>Capitalist NPC: I DONT CARE. VENEZUELA

me: okay how about Singapore, it has communist healthcare

>Capitalist NPC: I DONT CARE VENZUELA

Me: Well how about Norway

>Capitalist NPC: VUVUZELA

Me: Uh well uh, how about Canada, France or like China

>Capitalist NPC: VUNEVUVA

Me: y r u like this :CCCC

So it's humane to murder criminals, is it? Communism has killed more people than it has ever helped and after crowing about socialist healthcare you advocate for the murder of people who break laws? How about the volume of pollution China spews into the Earth with no care in the world for how it affects them or anyone else?

Don't try to claim communism cares about regular people. It cares even less than capitalism does and feeds the greedy people running the show no differently. The only difference is that instead of corporations it's the government.

Redpill: both capitalists and communists are jews

China: oppressive, censorious dictatorship
Singapore: too small to compare legitimately
Canada: can literally be told you will die before you can be treated because there aren't enough doctors
France: currently undergoing a populist uprising because everything is expensive
China: see above

Well if you're looking for a philosophical work that isn't just Memes or incredibly dense theory I'd recommend Marx's "Wage Labor and Capital"

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/

This is a much better primer on the subject than Capital or the Communist Manifesto can ever hope to be

In fact "Wage Labor and Capital" answers a lot of the criticism Jordan Peterson layed down in his opening statements in the debate vs. Slavoj Zizek

I would not recommend reading a lot of Zizek, but watching his movies like "Perverts Guide to Cinema" or "Perverts Guide to Ideology"

if you care about these things over your own health, you are killing yourself with ideology. Each day is a gift and if you turn your back on your days, you are turning your back on yourself. You might as well strangle yourself with your mother's umbilical cord.

Hitler was a Jew too

I'm sorry my friend, it's jews all the way down.

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
enjoy comrade stalins rundown. Stalin was gifted at explaining things to people. A cornerstone of all socialist societies is the attempt for its population to be well grounded in the theory of the ideology, so they can resist eternal subversion. Unlike liberal societies which would prefer the masses be as stupid as possible and easily controlled.

I care about freedom of choice. And quite frankly, the whole point of the healthcare system is that it is supposed to keep you alive when you are sick and dying. If someone can just decide you aren't worth saving, I say there's something wrong with that. And if the cost of living is so outrageously expensive to cover the cost of socialist healthcare that people can't afford to commute to work or feed their families, I also consider this to be a problem. And a government that is dictatorial, censorious and oppressive leads inevitably to wanting to be free of the oppression and censorship.

I want the freedom to choose how to live my life. Even Norway and Sweden, once cases of socialist success, have been overrun by Muslims actively abusing the government, it's systems and the people.

I do not process to know the answer, but communism is not it. For it to be the way it's imagined is too unrealistically expensive, and for it to work at all people must be controlled by the government. I fundamentally disagree with these things.

That's a lot of words for "I would rather die young with a huge pyramid than I would rather die old with a healthy population"

commies are this retarded

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slide thread kek

;^) nice meme but it doesn't countermand any of my very logical arguments

these posts are good theory, read these posts before your reply to this thread