How much do women care about a man's looks?

I might be massively bluepilled here but it's my understanding that women aren't as visual as men. Obviously it varies from person to person but on average women prioritize things like personality, income and shared interests/values. As long as you take care of yourself and don't look like Clint Howard you can bag pussy. I know there's a survey that said that women only find 20% men attractive but doesn't that just prove they aren't as hung up on looks? On the whole women still messaged an even number of men.

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infatuation is predicated on appearances.

Remember that if women find 20% of men attractive, it's a different 20% for every woman. It's not the same universal 20%.

True but I took it to mean that since women aren't as visually stimulated as men, they will only tend to find a minority of men physically attractive.

I always thought average women put personality before looks.

But no. All women are the same. They all crave the sexiest men. Do no delude yourself.

I think women see smouldering good-looks as a bonus, if anything. I've seen plenty of cute girls with funky-looking guys.

Look at this basement-dwelling kissless virgin thinking he is an expert on women.

Women find people they're close to more attractive. On degenerate dating sites, the only thing they know about you is your appearance, and thus only the very top will get noticed on that basis. In person, though, things are skewed in your favor.
This is one of the main reasons why female relatives or friends are much more likely to call you 'handsome'. It's not just being polite, it's also rooted in how women process attraction.

It's not the end of it all, but it certainly is more important than women say. That and social status are the 2 main factors.

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Statistically something like 66% as much as men care. But they are a lot pickier about what is attractive.

No. Not always the case. People will notice anyone for any reason. And appearance might not mean beauty standards when in comes to attractiveness.

>women aren't as visual as men
that's red pill philosophy and in fact the truth.
The fact that there are no male versions of Belle Delphine and camwhoring and all that should tip you off. You can sell sex to women, but it's almost never a visual. Mens legs or ass doesn't sell anything, except maybe to men as a fantasy.
Being good looking helps, but it's nowhere near enough to be sexually attractive, it's not even half of what makes women lust after a guy.
For guys it's just "hot - wanna bang".
That's why incels are so weird about this, they simply cannot comprehend a viewpoint that is not theirs.

Read The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi
>inb4 cringe
Yeah, he's a jaded woman hater, but what he says is still true, the guy fucked more women than all of Jow Forums combined will EVER manage.
On the other hand
>Otto Weininger
lmao I'm sure he has experienced many women with a dweeb name like that.

Looks are judged first. Doesn't necessarily mean they're the most important. No. Women are attracted to social status more than anything else. If an action will increase her social status, she will do it. Socially successful guys are exponentially more attractive than social recluse and incel types

That goes for both genders. Most people are attracted to success.

No it isn't. Men want attractive women regardless of social status.

This. I'd be entirely happy marrying a poor village girl over a literal princess. In fact I'd almost prefer it

There are good looking guys that many people like but they are always good at something else in addition to being good looking. There is something that appeals to women.
Singing and dancing around like Justin Bieber or kpop boys. Being a sparkling vampire etc.

Daniel Craig is a good example. I don't think he's particularly handsome. Has a squashed, gungy face and pointy out ears. But because of his suaveness and manliness as James Bond he's a sex symbol.

Correct, guys will pluck a cute girl out of a shitpile and treat a plain girl like shit.

Women are attracted to being led and dominated.
That sounds violent, but it really isn't.
Next time you walk up to a woman and she gives you shit, just ignore whatever incendiary bullshit she said, maybe even slightly shake your head while smiling, just glossing over it.
Suddenly your dynamic will change, you have imposed a superior frame onto her weaker one.
If a man has a weaker frame than a woman, she is disgusted. That man can not ensure her survival.
Women want a man that is not easily intimidated, someone who can stay calm and focused in stressful situations.
That's why all but the most undesirable women "test" men with shit like this. Unconsciously or otherwise.
They wanna see if you lose your cool, become defensive, flustered, let them order you around and shit.
If you simply don't and don't even comply with it at all, she will gain attraction to you.
Just don't take women so seriously, tease them, laugh their silly antics off and don't plead with them EVER.
You will have much more success instantly.

So I should act with indifference to my girlfriend has slept with while we were on a break even though it's killing me inside?

Honestly I’ve been told a few times I’m a solid 8-8.5 (girls on tinder are bold) and in my experience good looks will get the conversation started but if they don’t genuinely like you it’s not goin to go anywhere.

This is false. Most women select a partner on soonest available mate. That is why women are seldom single and often wind up with rather ugly men out of convenience.

The fuck? Yeah, you tell her beat it and get a proper girl.
The next one should already been lined up.

Also this doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.
Your girlfriend didn't shit test you, she slept with someone when you were apart.
Should not have gone on a "break" if you don't want that.
What I said is about attracting her, not letting her get away with anything she wants.

>and get a proper girl.
Definition please

A girl that you wont have to go on a "break" with where she bangs 3 other dudes.
If you ever have to go on a "break", that relationship was doomed from the start.

It was logistics. I was supposed to move closer to her but it fell through and I couldn't promise when I could move again, so we agreed to cool it off until I could.

>I might be massively bluepilled here but it's my understanding that women aren't as visual as men
Women are more superficial than men.

Black pill is just the darkest shade of blue pill.
This is nonsense.

If men needed to look pretty in order to procreate, the pic related would show two equal distributions of sex appeal.

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It's half true, but not in that way you're thinking or you have been conditioned to believe. Men are attracted to physical features, women are attracted to behavior, social status, and resources. Men are biologically programmed to find a mate that will carry and produce healthy offspring. The older a woman is the less likely she is to have a successful pregnancy, thus men are attracted to youthful features. Same with ass and tiddies, signs of fertility, child birthing hips is legit. Homo sapiens are a sexually dimorphic species, women are smaller and weaker than men. They need protection for both themselves and their offspring, so the baby doesn't get eaten by a sabertooth. So they are progamed to find a big strong alpha male to protect them. This is why girls make such a big deal out of height. Alpha male traits are usually shown by behavior traits and social dominance. This is why being a sweet nice guy gets you ignored by women, and being a dominate bad boy who doesn't take anyone's shit get's women to chance you. And if you're one of those fags who claims alpha vs beta isn't real. Don't use those words, use Dominate and Submissive males. Social dominance is a thing a that exists, I don't give a shit what you call it.

What about the multitudes that don't conform to these rules? I've seen the most smokin girls with short, schlubby guys.

Ok seriously

Am I too ugly for dating apps? Failing on all of them for years has made me mentally sick beyond repair. Is it me or is it modern women and standards? Women never seemed to dig me outside of dating apps either :/ I never got hit on or signs of being liked. I’m also a virgin. I’m 26... when do I straight up give up on myself? Because it hurts to always lose!

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You are not bluepilled, you are delusional.

Women give way more attention to looks than men. Simply they manipulate ugly men to pay their bills while fucking a Chad on the side.

>calls others bluepilled and delusional
>spergs out with bluepilled and delusional incel garbage
You have never been on a date or kissed a girl and get all your knowledge of women from your fellow basement-dwellers, why does your ilk always think you know what women like?

Fuck off, Brandon.

>Simply they manipulate ugly men to pay their bills while fucking a Chad on the side.
No doubt a proportion of women do that, but do you honestly think any every girl with ugly/average looking guy is fucking a Chad Thundercock on the side? Seriously?

sounds like it's over man. No way you can come back from this feeling, it'll keep killing you inside until the day you die if you stay with her.

Give me tips on social status.

I don't know for sure if she's slept with someone but she said "If we get back together, do you need to know what I've done when we on a break?"
...which kind of heavily implies that she has.
I just can't work up the balls to find out.

Everyone says I’m ugly

Should I just ask her or what?

Those guys did something to get those girls wet.
Stood their ground in the face of danger, dominated someone else in a social setting.

Is social status related to being socially active?
Would a recluse who mostly doesnt give a shit about the world and generally keeps to himself and his close mates but has a higher position, be considered dominant or submissive subconciously by women?

>If we get back together, do you need to know what I've done when we on a break
You could simply say yes. If she's not willing it all but confirms she slept with someone else.

Thing is, when we originally went on a break I told her explicitly that I didn't want to know if she hooked up with any guys. I think that's why she didn't come out and tell me. The thought of her fucking another guy after me makes me sick.

Yeah but when you said that she knew exactly what you meant: You weren't comfortable with her fucking other guys. If she knew that and she did it anyway there wasn't much respect for what you two had. I think you should ask because just imagine getting back together and never knowing. It's going to eat you from the inside.

>If she knew that and she did it anyway there wasn't much respect for what you two had.
I've been saying that but everyone calls me a fag becus we weren't together so it's none of my business who she bangs.

yeah and that's absolute bullshit so tell them to fuck off. If someone can put a relationship on hold, and put all those feelings and connections they've developed on hold then they weren't genuine to begin with. Fuck that, don't force yourself to lower your standards to keep them happy.

I think you know the answer to that.

Then why does that type doesnt get any?

>it's my understanding that women aren't as visual as men
Correct.

>As long as you take care of yourself and don't look like Clint Howard you can bag pussy
Correct.

What?
Think about it for literally one second.
What is the social status of a recluse?
Pretty low, wouldn't you think so?
Social status is way more about appearances than actual facts and numbers.
An IT specialist will make great money and still be very low on the ladder socially.
A club promoter making way less will be WAY higher (seriously nobody gets laid more).

To get women, you need to actually meet women, not to mention.

Why would an IT specialist be very low on the ladder socially? Why would a club promoter be way higher socially? You are not making any sense.

More interaction with ladies in a social environment

IT Specialist: Spends a lot of time alone at work, not many friends, pretty low status friends, does low status stuff like play DnD, not a leader, not physically imposing, passive

Club promoter: partying all the time, high value friends that open doors for him, meets chicks every day and has something they want (access to certain social circles), knows people and is known by them, socially well adjusted, makes friends easily, leads social interactions

These are generalisations of a stereotype (they don't come out of thin air), just to illustrate to you that
career success does not necessarily equal high status.
Status needs to be seen in context.
The IT specialist is at his strongest in a board room meeting, let's say, that's where his value is the highest. Not a very good place for meeting women or making human connections.
The club promoter is at his best on the dimly lit floors of an exclusive night club, where chicks are drunkenly dancing, waiting for the first non-beta guy to approach them, where other guys are sucking up to him to get brownie points and raise their own status.
Who gets laid more?

>IT Specialist: Spends a lot of time alone at work, not many friends, pretty low status friends, does low status stuff like play DnD, not a leader, not physically imposing, passive
Where do you get this garbage from? You've probably never met an "IT specialist" in your entire life. Why would someone with a highly respected career not have a good social life and go out and meet lots of his friends?
>Club promoter: partying all the time, high value friends that open doors for him, meets chicks every day and has something they want
Again complete garbage. It sounds like you are very young, maybe not even old enough to post on this site. Clearly you don't know jack shit about how things work in the adult world. A "club promoter" is a pretty low value person without a steady career and he hangs out with losers and spends the little money he has on alcohol and drugs.

>These are generalisations of a stereotype (they don't come out of thin air)
They do come out of your ass.

Stay blue pilled then, if you forcefully try to not get my point apparently.
Stable career wont get you laid, will get you a cheating wife to provide for though.
Enjoy your plugged in life, beta.

This user is right.
Stable, docile guys get laid the most and women lust after them, while volatile people like rock stars stay virgins most of their lives.
They take drugs and do cocaine and parties!
That's what bad boys do!
Women want nice guys that treat them like a princess and buy them things.

>Stable career wont get you laid, will get you a cheating wife to provide for though.
You could have just said "I'm a high school dropout incel cult follower". For you getting laid is something so mysterious that you think only high status males can do it. Yes, the high status IT guy will easily get laid. The low status club promoter will too.

>docile
Nobody likes docile men you idiot

What point did you have other than telling everyone you're a bitter virgin living in your parents basement?

Okay kiddo, you need to be taught a bit about the world outside. There maybe be more drug use in music circles than average, but here's something you absolutely didn't know: most rock stars are normal people. They have families and kids. They go to work daily. Some even have university degrees.

You're so sheltered it's sad. You're literally stuck in a high school mentality. It's almost as if your entire worldview comes from Hollywood stereotypes.

How are rock stars volatile? lol

Well it's pretty obvious what his line of thought was. In his worldview badboys get all the women and that's why him, a nice guy, doesn't get women. He has seen tv shows about rockstars partying with women so they must be badboys and volatile. He started out writing about social status which was not wrong, but he went unhinged as soon as it was pointed out his examples were wrong. And he dropped "club promoter" as soon as that was pointed out and went "uh I meant famous rock stars instead!"

It's more than obvious he self-inserted as the IT specialist, someone who can't get girls because he has a career and is nice. Despite having no education or no job he's an IT specialist because he's on the computer all day. But he is low status because he's an IT specialist, therefore all IT specialists but be friendless losers like he is. Meanwhile the badboy losers out there are high status because they get women - it is that way because he's seen it on youtube.

This is satire, retards.

Obviously, but it's the same teenager incel who is samefagging his own retarded posts.

And?
Still makes everyone else posting in this thread look like retards.
Fucking hilarious.

Everyone was calling him out for being a retard and btfo'ing him, that's why he left.

women are gold digging whores first, sluts who only date douchebags second, and roasties who only want square jawed tall men third

It’s probably best not to deconstruct attraction. You can find some underlying model to base attraction off of, but in reality it doesn’t matter because it’s some weighting if looks, opportunity, success, dominance, height, history of interaction, wierd quirks, hobbies, etc. looks are very important though. I don’t think smart men pick on looks alone, nor do smart women. I have passed on prettier girls for ones I know are perfect for me. I’ve dated girls prettier than me. I’m funny, attractive ENOUGH, successful, and quirky. 80% of women probably don’t find me attractive, which is fine. A number of girls I find attractive though find me attractive back, and that’s all that matters eh?

Don’t think too hard about it, just make a better you, and it’ll work out

actually judging a person's success based on his name like a pro. Go back to kindergarten kid

But how is that possible, when you are a kissless virgin and a huge douchebag? You would be swimming in pussy if what you said were true.

Just be yourself bro