Circumcision and Christianity

I still have my foreskin, but I've been told that it's healthier and cleaner to be circumcised. Is this why God commanded Christians to be circumcised?

Why would God take back all the commandants and orders he gave though?

In Romans it says that "physical circumcision" but not following the Law is useless
and those that are "spiritually circumcised" ( that follow the Law ) will be their better.
a Christian is "circumscied" in baptism, THE most important sacrament,
It's similar when people ask about eating pork:

"And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
Then the disciples came and said to him,
“Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
He answered, “Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up.
Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
But Peter said to him, “Explain the parable to us.” And he said, “Are you also still without understanding?
Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and so passes on?
But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a man.
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander.
These are what defile a man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”"

Also Church teaching:
"Jesus' circumcision, on the eighth day after his birth,is the sign of his incorporation into Abraham's descendants, into the people of the covenant. It is the sign of his submission to the Law and his deputation to Israel's worship, in which he will participate throughout his life. This sign prefigures that "circumcision of Christ" which is Baptism"

That covenant was fulfilled by God himself in the flesh. Who instituted a new covenant where he said 'let it be of the heart'. Meaning sacrifice with your heart (spirit), not your flesh.

So any Christian who's been circumcised has in fact been Jewed.

Circumcision is an infringement of religious freedom. Infants can not express religious affiliation and will not automatically accept the religion of their parents.

>In Romans it says that "physical circumcision" but not following the Law is useless
>and those that are "spiritually circumcised" ( that follow the Law ) will be their better.
>a Christian is "circumscied" in baptism, THE most important sacrament,
So for Christians to go to heaven they must be circumcised, baptized, and follow the law?

Wait so because Jesus was circumcised Christians don't need to be? How does that make sense? Didn't God say his followers must be circumcised?

I guess because things change based on the context of the time, I mean God did flood the Earth one time because shit got out of hand.

Can you point me to the verse that takes back this commandment and says that a follower of God need no longer be circumcised?

no fren, the only thing that matters now is the new testament and partaking in the sacraments of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, feel free to read this and learn vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

>Catholic Church
lol if I converted to Christianity I would probably be a Protestant. The Catholic church has rampant sexual abuse problems and your leader kisses nigger feet.

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>what must I do to get to heaven?
Your question is answered in the bible
"And behold, one came up to him, saying,
“Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?”
And he said to him,
“Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”
He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”"

baptism is the "circumcision"
If you're not baptised you're not a Christian
And yes we strive to imitate Christ, easiest

Also read the NT, with a good bible it has the footnotes in the prophecies proclaimed in the OT
because the OT has the prophecies, prayers
practices, traditions and histories of the people.
When someone reads them they tend to mix them up
The NT is the teaching of God, everything you need is there.
If you're still interested then read the OT after

No, because Jesus Christ frees you from the law.

Jesus is God. That's the fucking point. He came to had to come here personally to hack that Satanic BS.

>easiest
forgot to continue
We strive to imitate Christ, but we all fall short, and we repent
and with God's mercy and forgiveness we are saved

>baptism is the "circumcision"
>If you're not baptised you're not a Christian
I'm confused, so "baptism" includes circumcision of the penis? I thought it was just a water thing.

>And yes we strive to imitate Christ
But Jesus was circumcised. So you're saying Christians must be circumcised because it imitates Jesus, right?

>Jesus is God.
What? I thought Jesus was the son of God.

Imagine a heaven where they actually let Jews in.

The New Testament completely supersedes all this primitive kike shit, doesn't matter if it's in Genesis or anywhere else.

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The issue of circumcision for Christians is addressed in the new testament. Don't worry, you'll get there :)

>What? I thought Jesus was the son of God.

God is a complete entity and we are made in his image. Therefore, he has a mind (the creator, logos), a body (the lord Jesus) and a spirit (the holy spirit).

As men do. He operates in logos, ethos and pathos. They don't call it the 'passion of the Christ' for nothing. God in the flesh was acting out his passion for his own creation.

>healthier and cleaner
stop listening to kike lies, there's nothing unhealthy or dirty about a foreskin

1 Corinthians 7:19. Don't completely reject the Old Testament like Catholics do, however.

Can you show me where in the Bible it says that Jesus is actually God? I always hear that he's the son of God. How can you be Jesus and God at the same time? How can God even be a human?

>Therefore, he has a mind (the creator, logos), a body (the lord Jesus) and a spirit (the holy spirit)

Now I'm really confused. I listened to an E. Michael Jones video once and he was calling Jesus the 'Logos'. You're talking about the trinity right? How can you be three separate things but only one thing at the same time?

From Wikipedia:

>Circumcision may be used to treat pathological phimosis, refractory balanoposthitis and chronic or recurrent urinary tract infections (UTIs).[1][6] The World Health Organization promotes circumcision to prevent female-to-male HIV transmission in countries with high rates of HIV.[12] The International AIDS Society-USA also suggests circumcision be discussed with men who have insertive anal sex with men, especially in regions where HIV is common.[28]

So yeah it seems to be healthier. I wouldn't personally get circumcised though, can you imagine literally losing all that feeling and sensitivity? lol

Watch this OP, even if you don't like the Pope, I think it's a bit relevant here.
youtube.com/watch?v=bRbUTfSds0U&t

biblehub.com/bsb/galatians/5.htm

There are no non-believers in heaven.

Thanks, that answers my question. Why did God remove the necessity to be circumcised?

Also I read a few verses below that and am wondering what they mean:

>22 For he who was called in the Lord as a slave is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a slave of Christ.

What does it mean 'slave of Christ'?

>27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage.
>28 But if you marry, you do not sin, and if a girl marries she does not sin. Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that.

Is the Bible telling people not to get married here? I thought Christianity was pro-marriage.

I thought it was a requirement that you believe in God and Jesus to go to heaven? Isn't that the whole point of the Bible?

Anyway, the pope is a cuck and there's a problem with priests and sexual abuse in Catholicism. Isn't being an Evangelical preferable? I heard they're based af and always vote conservative here in the U.S.

>What does it mean 'slave of Christ'?
Exactly what it means to be the slave of anyone: you do everything he tells you.
>Is the Bible telling people not to get married here? I thought Christianity was pro-marriage.
It says marry if you want, doesn't it? But it's pointing out that if you are single you have more time to devote to God.
>I thought it was a requirement that you believe in God and Jesus to go to heaven? Isn't that the whole point of the Bible?
It is. Heaven has only worshipers of and believers in Yahweh / Jesus. God loved the world enough to send one savior. Reject that and you will die in your sins.

>Exactly what it means to be the slave of anyone: you do everything he tells you.
So when people call Christianity a "slave religion" this is what it means? Why would anyone want to be a slave and not free?

>if you are single you have more time to devote to God.
Yeah, but it's not promoting marriage, it says "Do not seek marriage." I always thought Christianity was pro-marriage and pro-family.

There is less than a 1% difference for UTI for males who are circumcised. It is NOT worth it. If you're interested, please watch this:
youtube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc

>Christians should be circumcised, it does nearly no harm to a child and has a lifetime of benefits.
The logic here? If there is a lifetime of benefits, why not recommend it worldwide?

>So when people call Christianity a "slave religion" this is what it means? Why would anyone want to be a slave and not free?
Because you're not free. If you're not a slave to Christ, you're a slave to sin and Satan. There's no middle ground.
>Yeah, but it's not promoting marriage, it says "Do not seek marriage." I always thought Christianity was pro-marriage and pro-family.
You have a new family as a Christian, a divine family.

Faith is a gift from God
those who act according to Jesus teaching but have not this faith, and are not against Him? We are not to judge where they go.
>Those who are not against us are for us
John said to him, “Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name and we forbade him, because he was not following us.” But Jesus said,
“Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me.
For he that is not against us is for us.
For truly, I say to you,
whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you bear the name of Christ, will by no means lose his reward."

There's a difference between someone who is misled ( doesn't know God ) but has righteousness in his heart, and someone who knows and rejects the truth. ( Denies Christ and his teachings ) like the militant atheist/pagans that mock and celebrate everything against God.
most people lump everyone into the same.
I hope you understand this, it's not a game of Russian roulette "hmm If I'm saved like this then I will not worship God"
Natural Law ( briefly: objective morals and good, come from God and are 'inscribed' into all men ) whether they are of the faith or not, and all men can choose to reject this or not.
So tell me this, in God's mercy, who is acting according to His teachings here:
1. One who is baptized and does every despicable act you can imagine and cares nothing for His Words.
2. One who isn't but follows the teachings of God unbeknowingly? ( Love thy neighbour, no adultery etc. ) And did not blaspheme His name?

Those who deny God deny his teachings, those who do not deny Him follow his teachings.
Again I hope you understand, it's not a game ( if I tick the right boxses I go to heaven )
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 25&version=RSVCE
Read matthew 25:31

Jesus spoke of the circumcision of the soul but Jews don't have souls so they filet their shmekels instead. Then the Rabbi gives the kid herpes while sucking on his bloody dick.

But someone can be a good person and not sin without being a slave to Jesus. Why is there no middle ground?

>a divine family
Yeah but even as someone who was never really religious before, I saw the positive aspects of Christianity and thought it promoted a strong, healthy family and conservative values. This isn't true? All devotion must be to God and Jesus?

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That's right. I am a slave to Christ. That's why I bow before no man.

>Jesus spoke of the circumcision of the soul
Yeshua had his dick cut and spoke in metaphores to teach Jewish themes.

Paul ended it for goy because they were adults

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>That's right. I am a slave to Christ. That's why I bow before no man.
kek

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>I'm talking about Christianity, not the god of Judaism.
its the same god. Christianity only starts at the new testament with Christ the son of god. but both Judaism and christkeks have the same "god"

Wait, but this is Paul saying it. In the OP I literally quoted God speaking to Abraham. It was God who said you must be circumcised. Who is Paul to override God's words?

>Didn't God say his followers must be circumcised?
The mission of his followers was to eventually deliver the savior who would teach the world about God. Accomplishing this required sacrifice and commitment. When the mission was complete the covenant was fulfilled.

“In whom also ye also are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.” (Col. 2:11).

>Why did God remove the necessity to be circumcised?
The Apostles did that.
I know you're making a clever ruse, but I'll try to argue with the statement.
Ever since Jesus set the Church in motion, which happened shortly after His Resurrection, the Church has been governing itself. It is guided by divine inspiration but completely reliant on the free will of its members. The Apostles were kinda special and you could argue (and you'd be right) that the Public Revelation was still in effect at the time and only ended with the death of Saint John but the bottom line is God entrusted the Church with carrying the Gospel. They were given the keys. If they chose to abolish this or that it means they, the people, believed it to be the right choice.
In the the case of circumcision I guess it was partly ministerial reasons, partly the existence of the New Covenant (duh). You could say circumcision got obsolete.

>But someone can be a good person and not sin without being a slave to Jesus. Why is there no middle ground?
God's idea of a good person is an absolute perfection in following his will all the time. If you commit even the tiniest mistake, you're now a sinner.
>All devotion must be to God and Jesus?
You got it right. All devotion.

Christ told you to bow before some men.

Jews and Christians do not worship the same God. The majority of Christians worship the Triune Godhead, the Trinity. You see nothing of the sort with the God of Judaism.

"the problems began when we tried to publish our work"

Publishing research that puts circumcision in a negative light will ruin your career

First Council of Jerusalem answered this question nearly 2000 years ago. Also Jesus said "circumcised of the heart" in the Bible.

britannica.com/event/Council-of-Jerusalem

There is a reason Europeans are not circumcised even though they are historically Christian.

I serve only one master so I cannot bow before another.

You had to be circumcised to be a Jew.
You don't have to be physically circumcised anymore because of Christ.
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Same with the muslims all worship the father of Abraham a Jew who owned slaves.

Holy fucking shit this is the hardest shill I've ever seen. You should go to jail for promoting male genital mutilation you sick fuck.

OP since wer'e being invaded by trolls, I leave you with this
If you are truly interested and have doubts take this plunge once in your life, you have nothing to lose.
Pray to God and ask him to lead you to the truth:
"God I am trying my best to find truth in this world,
and be moral in this wicked world but I struggle every day
I have many questions, and I ask you to guide me and lead me here on this earth
so I can be with you eternally in the afterlife
and I pray for my guardian angel to guide me"
Then when you can, and please do this even if you're skeptical, try to talk to a Catholic priest about the faith, ask around.
You have nothing to lose, you'll either not like him or he might surprise you, at worst you'll leave him be, at best he might give you a better perspective.

god also says he created good and evil.
and his son says only god is good.
how can something be good but create evil

Jews don't know who they worship, they've no unified theology, a large part of the interpretation of the holy texts is left to each individual Rabbi.
source: had discussions with a Rabbi or three

so the god in the old testament is not the same as the one in the new testament? now there are 2 gods?

>the Church has been governing itself. It is guided by divine inspiration
Which church? There are many denominations and different Christian churches.

>You could say circumcision got obsolete.
Then why do so many Christians circumcise their kids in the U.S. ?

>You got it right. All devotion.
That sounds kinda cultish desu. So all those memes about Christianity promoting the family and marriage are just false lies and memes? I don't want to marry Jesus, I want to have a trad waifu and make white babies.

Did any of those Rabbis say that they worshipped a Triune Godhead consisting of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? If not, then my original statement still stands.

Yeah Jesus retconned a lot of stuff. Same reason we don't have to sacrifice lambs.

>Catholic priest
But user, Catholics are a satanic, baby-raping cannibal cult that were subverted by the Jews almost the moment they began.

Because when you declare what's good, the opposite of that automatically becomes evil.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Jesus also says not one jot or tittle of the Bible will be gone until the end of the world, meaning every word of the Bible is from God (Spoiler alert, Jesus is God.)

Circumcision is part of the old covenant that isn't in effect anymore.
No need to cut your dick, only fake "jews"do this to keep up the façade that they are biblical Hebrews.

No you don’t have to be circumcised to be a Christian. The early Christian communities struggled with this issue in the acts of the apostles. There was a dispute as to how uncircumcised gentiles should be dealt with.

All these christkikes ignoring baby Yeshua's life.

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>Do you have to be circumcised to be a Christian?
No Christians don't have to be circumcised. This was part of the Old Covenant between God and Moses. The New Covenant between God and Man through the blood of Christ does not require circumcision. Paul wrote extensively about this in his letters to the early churches.

Also Biblical circumcision is NOT the same as what the kikes practice today. Hope that clears it up.

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Again, Jews do not have a concept of the Trinity, whereas most Christians do. These are two different Gods, with two different natures, one being composed of individual persons with the same essence and the other being a singular, transcendent entity; the Jew rejects the New Testament, and the Christian imposed New Testament revelation on the Torah.

>The early Christian communities struggled with this issue in the acts of the apostles. There was a dispute as to how uncircumcised gentiles should be dealt with.
CUT MUH ADULT DICK!?

HELLLL NO!

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>talk to a Catholic priest
Why not an Evangelical one? I already said I don't like all the abuse scandals in the Catholic church or the pope. Evangelics seem based and redpilled, they all voted for Trump.

But isn't that still creating evil? Why does God allow evil in this world?

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Evangelics are Zionist faggots

>That sounds kinda cultish desu. So all those memes about Christianity promoting the family and marriage are just false lies and memes? I don't want to marry Jesus, I want to have a trad waifu and make white babies.
God created this world not for you, but for himself. This is his story. But he's given you a chance to participate in his story. Reject God if you want, but there will be consequences.

The "Yeshua" thing is fake news.
1 Paul starts like this.
"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,"
They spoke Greek there, not hebrew or aramaic so we know that line was originally written in Greek. His name is Jesus Christ.

>this book is 100% correct because this book says so.
why are there more than one version of the bible. and what one is the "real" one?

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>But isn't that still creating evil? Why does God allow evil in this world?
Because you have free will. He's given us the ability to choose to disobey.

Okay, but how do we know that's true? Any guy can say "These words were inspired by God and are therefore the word of God". But the difference I see in Genesis for example is that the words are directly attributed to God himself. Why did God take a step back and stop speaking to people directly like in the OT?

>façade
I thought only frenchies had that fancy 'c'.

>yfw this pedo shit is "European religion"

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King James Version of course. There were over 200 translators working together and spoke like 16 languages apiece. That's if you speak English of course.

>Do you have to be circumcised to be a Christian?

No,you have to be circumcised to NOT be a stinky, cheese dick, naked molerat cock eurofag.

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The New Testament disagrees.

>>yfw this pedo shit is "European religion"

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Read th book of Galatians. Christians should not be circumcised. To understand why God's covenant with Abraham is abolished, read Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31.

>All these christkikes ignoring baby Yeshua's life.

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>>All these christkikes ignoring baby Yeshua's life.

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Jesus Christ is God, he never stopped speaking to people directly.
The last book of the Bible, Revelation is from Jesus Christ through John.

>Evangelics seem based and redpilled, they all voted for Trump.
So, that is what passes for "based" now? This place has become truly pathetic thanks to redditfags.

I don't give a fuck what it says in the old testament, you should look at the real world. No european christians have a history of circumcision at all. It's an abhorrent pointless jewish ritual and it should be illegal.

>Then why do so many Christians circumcise their kids in the U.S. ?
That kind of misinterpretation is what happens when you try to read and understand the bible solely on your own authority without reading it through the lens of how it's traditionally been interpreted. Circumcision is a popular American protestant misunderstanding but this warped view that comes from the heresy of sola scriptura is also how you get liberal protestants trying to twist scripture to justify degeneracy that's traditionally been condemned like divorce, contraception, and sodomy.

>These are two different Gods,
Wrong, the trinity is one God manifest in three forms.