Switzerland has the best political system in the world. Every country should be more like them...

>I just voted today (by mail) against the EU-compliant anti weapons law.
so did i

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What did you vote on that AHV thingy?

Switzerland is rich, white and isolated.
If only the rest of us were so lucky.

This. You could try any system there and it would work somehow.

Because EU and Merkel wants to flood Switzerland with excess brownies and bring it all down. Just look at the new political candidates being handpicked to do just that and don't be surprised when some way, some how, they get sworn in and immediately start the cultural diversification plan.

Right, direct democracy. Can you explain it a little bit, i thought its only applicable in like one city where there aren't many people. Other Cantons were partial direct democracy. I'm planning to do my phd studies in Lausanne so i'm interested.

switzerland without banks would be just a state of germany but they prefer switzserland to be as it is....a money laundry paradise for the elites..

>Switzerland
>rich
high income, high cost of living too
>white
lol no. whiter than France but being browned like rest of Europe

Because your country have 320 million people.

But it wouldn't. It was a separate Confederation since ages. Old Gallic tribes Helvetii were settled on Swiss Plateu.

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It works on three levels: municipal, cantonal and federal. When people don't agree with a decision of the parliament they have to get a number of singatures, and then a binding referendum is held. Which means that not everything has to be voted, it's like decisionmaking is on autopilot as long as everyone is ok with it, but when we're not ok we can take control. So there's really no point in the government trying to screw us over like they do in all those (((representative democracies))).

You're a fucking idiot. Switzerland hasn't been a money laundering paradise since burgers killed our bank secrecy laws. Now burgerland is doing all the money laundering. Know your shit you faggot.

shouldn't be a problem if 320m are white. Switzerland itself is multiethnic, but not yet full of niggers like America

Rare

But they have the best quality of living. Almost same cost of living as Copenhagen for example but higher incomes. Every country in Europe is browned to some extent but at least Switzerland is not full of useless parasitic leecher shitskins trying to live of off welfare.

>When people don't agree with a decision of the parliament
Oh and this ofc also applies to cantons and cities. Like, my hometown Schaffhausen literally had a vote on a bunch of city lights because some people didn't like them.

Similar to microstates, Switzerland can only exist because there are bigger entities that allow them to. You can’t iust wave a magic wand and turn every nation into a bunch of tiny ones, there will always be large empires.

highly homogeneous country, small, well educated on average

couldn't work in america. homogeneity is more important than people think. the most fucked up societies in the world are the ones that are the most diverse(brazil, india, america, etc)

>It was a separate Confederation since ages.

Since about the 17th century.

That's pretty based system i guess. Also is French enough for living in Lausanne or do I need to learn Swiss German and High German too. I can speak German to some extent but Swiss German sounds better in my opinion.

There's some vegan Dutch witch living in some Swiss town who is a right pain in the ass to the locals because she set up a campaign to remove cow bells from the local cows, claiming it's cruelty. She also goes around critiquing other Swiss customs such as pig racing.

Time and time again, the locals reject giving her citizenship, meaning she cannot vote or hold office, which she desperately wants.

She's lived there 30 years.

Imagine a country so based that you can literally vote to award citizenship. Too bad silly EU rules prevent them from deporting her. Another reason why the the EU is shit. SHIT.

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there are many investigation in greece about corrupt politicians and list from the swiss bank still waiting to come....probably you live in a mythical world lika middle earth....

Part of the HRE but still a separate entity to some extent. Just like Bohemia, Hungary and other indepedent states nowadays.

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lol noone in the french part speaks any german, they barely even speak english. I think in the italian part they generally speak some german, bc the italian part is tiny like 10% of population. But the french part speaks only french, and the german part only german.

Liechtenstein, Monaco and Luxembourg are money laundering countries.

Oh okay, thanks.

But why? Cant you all come to some compromise and speak Romansh as main language in the whole country or something?

I'm going to Zurich this summer. What are some /swisspol/-approved activities to do?

If the list is coming from switzerland then it's a pretty shitty place to hide your money now isn't it. Most of that also prolly happened before the bank secrecy was abolished around 2013. Notice how you don't know about any of your politicians hiding money in burgerland... because that's not being revealed!
Also you've fallen for the typical trick that low-iq countries fall for (like Spain) where your politicians lay blame on switzerland, and not on the FUCKING CORRUPT POLITICIANS THAT STOLE THE MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU FUCKING RETARD.

Switzerland is 2/3 german. Not hungarian.

>But why?
Why not?

"Yes", you? I wasn't really sure but the fact that GLP and Greens are against it was the red flag that made me make up my mind eventually.

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You visit your friends/family in another city and noone speaks the same language as you are but are still the same country.
Pretty stupid desu. Godspeed if it works for you.

you sure it's the system or the people in it? if monkeys had to democratically choose between a banana now or many bananas later, they'll choose the banana now and starve tomorrow

That's fine but they've existed as a separate entity for longer than 17th century. Also Austria is German and is a separate country.

Well, isn't the will of the citizens most important ?

Why would friends and family not speak the same language? How the fuck is that supposed to happen?

Hard to say. Obviously a dumb people would vote for dumb things. But then again we don't lack idiots here. I guess we'll never know unless some other country were to try a system like this, but it's not going to happen because the (((elites))) keep pushing the idea that it's not viable. Despite stupid people, a system like this would still take away a lot of the elites power, that is it could only make things better, never worse. Or would you say that anywhere ever the (((elites))) are actually working for the good of the people in better way that the people themselves would?

GLP and Greens are against it? Dafuq?
Also I voted "yes" as well, I'm not 100% on it, but it seemed sound that AHV needs better financing, and the whole tax thing seemed reasonable as well. I don't much care for giving foreign businesses big tax rebates to come here, our taxes are pretty low anyway and it's not fair to local businesses. I'm against selling out over a bit of money.

since 2010, in order to open a bank account you and your bank have to be transparent about the origin of all of your assets, which also means that keeping your money in switzerland for tax evasion purposes isn't very attractive anymore.

>GLP and Greens are against it? Dafuq?
Yes, look here (scroll down to the bottom of the article):
srf.ch/news/schweiz/abstimmungen/abstimmungen/ahv-steuervorlage/darueber-wird-abgestimmt-die-ahv-steuervorlage-in-kuerze

>Eine strukturelle Reform der Altersvorsorge wird verhindert.
kek @ accelerationists

I truly don't know anymore. I used to think people should always choose for themselves and democracy is therefore the expression of the common will of the people, which is good.
But if you manage to corrupt the majority in such a way that they'll vote against their own interest and drag everyone else down, is democracy still a valid option? They're not necessarily bad people, but easily manipulated. Wouldn't it be better to have a proper nationalist elite to rule over?

>Wouldn't it be better to have a proper nationalist elite to rule over?
based and elective monarchy pilled but the socio-political climate in the current year + 4 make systems like this a hard sell in the ears of a pleb.

First off, there's never going to be a "truly nationalist elite". Any elite will eventually, usually sooner rather than later, be bought up by all kinds of interests that go against the country.
Yes, people can and will be manipulated to vote against their interests. But there are more elements to our systems than just the voting. Whenever there's an issue that people want to contest and bring to referendum, there appear interest groups which defend either option. They promote arguments in favour or against, and try to inform people on why they should vote one way or another. In the end it's up to the voters if they want to smarten up and consider the arguments or not.

For example, with this EU compliant weapons law, both houses of parliament recommended voting in favour, but I voted against, because I looked it up and wasn't convinced, and it seems like politicians are just being pressured by the EU. However on another issue in relation to pensions I did go with the recommendation of parliament. It's important that people get fed arguments in favour and against so they can decide. This certainly doesn't happen when you don't get to vote individual issues. And in representative democracies you simply get to vote a full "package" of decisions (which then aren't kept anyway), so it promotes from within that people don't vote according to arguments, but just following their gut, which is then easily manipulated through propaganda.

I don't want to be ruled by some Jew who puts a crown on himself and says he knows how to run the place

seconding this.

> with a more direct form of democracy and many different types of representation
That's anti-semitic.

cue le Machiavellian orson welles quotation

It doesn't quite work that way. Iirc we have a higher median income than Germany, but the cost of living is much lower here than over there.

>, but not yet full of niggers like America
Blacks are 12% of the population and shrinking, why does everyone blame them. It's really just the recent waves of corporate immigration that are screwing us over.

>First off, there's never going to be a "truly nationalist elite
That's called an aristocracy. No country nowadays has en elite in the proper sense of the word.

not what happens in an elective monarchy. you vote the monarch or better yet, a council of elders which rule the state for a set amount of years without being allowed to change the constitution without the people's approval. next time you're waiting in line while doing grocery shopping, take a look around and ask yourself whether it's a good idea that all these niggers standing there get to have a say.

>Implying the political, economical and financial establishment isn't a modern aristocracy
user, I...

So it's better to just have some people pretend to babysit us while they sell us like human cattle, is that it?

>Implying the political, economical and financial establishment isn't a modern aristocracy
It's not an aristos, no, it's a mere managerial class of moneyed sons of toilet manufacturers, oil thieves, etc...

>So it's better to just have some people pretend to babysit us while they sell us like human cattle, is that it?
what do you think is happening now, the only difference is democracy drives the main actors underground and they work more secretly.

tomayto tomahto

My point exactly, that's why with all it's faults I like our direct democracy.

>you vote the monarch or better yet, a council of elders which rule the state for a set amount of years without being allowed to change the constitution without the people's approval.

So basically a representative democracy but the representatives get even MORE RIGHTS than the ordinary people compared to now. Wow. Redpilled as fuck. And the only alternative is having niggers? You got me there. Where do I sign my family up to become peasants?

>drives the main actors underground and they work more secretly.

You're right we should just elect some people who won't relinquish their power so they can become pedophiles and human traffickers in public, at least then we'll know the prince has a taste for pizza and foreskin.

>My point exactly, that's why with all it's faults I like our direct democracy.
You think it's direct? The people vote, and who decides what the people think? Even direct democracy as you call it is subject to subterranean forces from around the world. There's no such thing as "Swiss" or "American" democracy imo, it's just different outward forms of promoting the self same ideas determined by a worldwide cultural rulership...
If Switzerland really were unique, her people wouldn't hold the same prejudices recently inculcated in Sweden, America, Australia, etc... that gay marriage is good, abortion is unobjectionable morally, etc

BASED and REDPILLED

Democracy was a mistake...

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it's not like you really have a say in the current system, you're just provided with an illusion.

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What you're saying implies that the representatives of today are subject to a modicum of accountability, which isn't the case. You're getting the same interests represented by different faces over and over.

Thats like saying it stops working if you introduce matches and gasoline

>with a more direct form of democracy
Democracy is cancerous to the core. Let's kill the false God known as Democracy.

Their system works GREAT when White People are the ones participating.
The problem is diversity. Shitskins will take advantage of the system and ultimately drain it.

>i-it's not direct b-because what about what p-people think

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>You're right we should just elect some people who won't relinquish their power s
The difference is now that we don't elect the people who don't relinquish power, we merely elect their representatives

>elite says this is good
>20 years later people vote it in
>elite says this is bad
>within 20 years it's gone
will of the people!

your and idiot

Switzerland's political system is probably the most compatible with libertarian principles. Therefore, it's the apex system and it's no wonder the country is so rich and well developed.

also: rude post

Switzerland yes!

no u

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The Eidgenossen would be dissapoint in you.

come on user you're just moving goalposts at this point. Having people decide is as close to them having some freedom as it gets. Elites will always try to influence their thinking one way or another, but the more decision actually comes from the people the harder it will be to manipulate them, at least.
Yes, you do have a point, but so what? Do you have any suggestions for something better? What's the point of nitpicking if you can't really propose anything that works better than this?

Political system is only as good as the people. If you try this in India there'll be choas with Hindus trying to shoot AA missiles at Muslims and vice versa

Initially maybe but once they realized what's become of their legacy, they'd probably understand. I'm still in favor of decentralization and minarchistic policies.

I don't mind being accused of moving goalposts as I don't really care about winning a debate. I have just one point I'm trying to put across: that no matter how good a democracy is, what we call the will of the people is really just the whims of a few rich men translated into the fashions and hysteris of the public.

I guess you could make the argument that at least they can never be fooled out of demanding their most fundamental needs, that under democracy a government that starves its citizens or agitates for constant war can't keep power. But even that isn't a very good position, because if a people have been brought to a point of desperation, then obviously the government is so out of control that voting won't help them, and they'll turn to revolution, which they would do under monarchy anyway (how the french and american democracies were born). In addition, it's always possible, as we've seen, for one part of the population to vote away the rights of a smaller part and reduce them to desperation, and that is even worse than oppression under a monarchy because there is no way out.

>what's become of their legacy
you mean the most successful country in Europe, and one of the most successful in the world? Yeah they'd be really ashamed.

>what we call the will of the people is really just the whims of a few rich men translated into the fashions and hysteris of the public

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holy fuck where did all these swiss niggas come from?

i prefer my fedoras in silk, thank you very much

I'm unemployed and not sleepy even though it's almost 3am

kek
you're alright, burgerbro

If a false sense of pride is preventing you from realizing that we haven't been spared from Western decay then I don't know what to tell you.