don't study stem. physics and mechanical engineering double major here. stem shortage is a meme. you will be severely underpaid due to no overtime payments(salary agreements). work is high stress because of unreasonable deadlines, so you have to pull overtime to finish stuff and you don't get paid for those. if you can't finish it you get bullied & fired and replaced.
there is no shortage of stem people either. the only shortage is for 5+ year experienced STEM people who wouldn't work for scraps. if you want a real salary good luck getting a job.
study business,finance,law or medicine instead of STEM. all of them will pay better unless you are really a dumbass. people often compare average salaries of a "business" major and an "engineer" but if you are smart enough to be an "average" engineer than you'll be in top 10% of business majors anyway. most people seem to overlook that.
i think STEM has the lowest ROI for any degree. people compare 4 years to 4 years as in investment(as if studying STEM and non STEM requires the same effort) but in STEM you grind your ass to get your degree while non-STEM people do fuckall and enjoy their lives and at the end of the day the salary difference(speaking for us) is around 20000~ / yr.(max). but the amount of stress and autism you endure is worth way more than 20000$.
That's all fine and dandy, but STEM people can learn business skills without paying out the ass for school. It's not like you need a degree in business to start a business anyway.
The job market sucks for everyone. If you think it's bad for you with a mech eng degree, imagine what it looks like for the naive aspiring sociology professor.
People want a path where no creativity is necessary to succeed. Obviously, good job creators are in high demand nowadays, seeing that our job prospects are often shitty unless we are willing to compete like beasts for some mediocre STEM Phd.
Matthew Green
This, Stem people can learn in their own time and will have more relevant skills for innovation and invention. Rather than the business graduate who only 'knows' how to 'manage'.
Jayden White
just sell your soul and get into marketing the money is preddy gud
Asher Rogers
>That's all fine and dandy, but STEM people can learn business skills without paying out the ass for school. It's not like you need a degree in business to start a business anyway.
you also don't need a degree to be an engineer just pick up couple of books bro.
real life doesn't work like that. i am not talking about "job market" i am talking about the jobs themselves. STEM jobs are plenty, so its easy to get job but all those jobs have 10 times the stress of a normal wagie job, and pay around 1.5 x as much
cope. i don't see any STEMdrones running companies unless it is a tech company they either founded or entered early and did a MBA
Lincoln Perez
ok i wont
Nicholas Hernandez
>study law lmao
Joseph Reed
I feel what you're saying. Facing the similar situation. People say there are so many jobs in IT, but I am searching for a decent job for more than 2 months now, all I got was some very very low paying job offers despite knowing more than the interviewer Software Engineer. Everyone wants 5+ years of experience and no one is hiring college graduates, even if the graduate is more talented than the 5+ years engineer they are searching. I have a Bachelor's in Computer Science and Engineering. And I was the best programmer in my school and college.
If anyone ask me whether to study STEM or not, I wouldn't suggest it, especially CS.
Liam Torres
>all I got was some very very low paying job offers >Everyone wants 5+ years of experience and no one is hiring college graduates You're supposed to take the low-paying job to get experience. Do you expect to get paid like a senior engineer straight out of college, you arrogant fuck? Nobody cares about your college coding experiences and if you got better grades than your braindead colleagues. Real job experience is much different.
Isaiah Reed
>cope. i don't see any STEMdrones running companies unless it is a tech company they either founded or entered early and did a MBA It's not as bad as it used to be, but only marginally.
Christopher Nelson
Am I also supposed to suck them every day?
>Real job experience is much different.
I have coded my own game engine from scratch in C++. THERE'S NOTHING MORE COMPLICATED THEY ARE GOING TO ASK ME TO CODE.
Why do I take 3.5 shekels when the person next to me is getting minimum 6 shekels for the same job, just because he took 3+ years to learn what I already know?
Colton Campbell
Cope harder and stay jobless or grit your teeth like the rest of us, shithead.
Wyatt Parker
It's not about coding, it's about establishing that you're mature, able to handle a work environment, and that you're not socially retarded. And you're failing that test
Jordan Torres
Requiring experience is an employer's lazy way of cutting out most of the application pool. Don't want to invest in finding a good candidate. Don't want to invest in training the candidate.
Henry Morris
Keep sucking. You are the reason the industry is so fucked up.
Lincoln Roberts
I'm socially awkward, that is the reason I choose this career so that I don't have to deal with people all day. And I'm sure many of the best programmers choose computers for the same reason. Who the hell introduced social fuckrey to CS?
William Cook
Nobody in industry wants to hire an awkward fuck who can't present his work or talk to his boss properly. You should have stayed in academia with the rest of the autists.
I think it depends moreso on the university. If you were to study at a well known university, the transferable skills from either degree would make you employable- while if you studied stem at a no-name sort of place, it'd probably be more useful than a business or finance degree, since completing any sort of stem course proves you at least have some knowledge.
Benjamin Morgan
>this
You don't have to be the king of charisma, but it's expected that you will be able to handle normal social interactions without spilling your spaghetti.
>law
law is overfilled at the moment and not worth the exorbitant costs to get in unless you get hired by a big law firm or are able to graduate for little costs by receiving a generous financial aid package from one of the lower-rated law schools.
David Peterson
Do good in actuary tests and find entry job from there. You need a good knowledge of mathematics, so stem education is not total waste. The pay is good. Better than a bizfag, at least you'll learn some technical shit.
Leo Johnson
He has been proven to be a reliable worker. Just take the stupid job then immediately start looking for a better one, that's what everybody else does.
>Who the hell introduced social fuckrey to CS? Women. The inhuman hell that is the HR department was created right around when women entered the work force and now that they're entering CS they're bringing all that baggage with them. Careful not to make any jokes about male end and female end dongles, user.
Joseph Fisher
I studied STEM. Finishing up my PhD now. I have 5 job offers and I'm not even on the market yet.
Alexander Gonzalez
This is true for everyone at the Bachelor's level. It is just that HR is becoming bitch tits abusive given they will pay you peanuts while expecting a golden chicken work. As well the threat that U.S. companies are free to outsource their jobs, they think that they have the right to pay you as if you were a nigger or a currynigger.
The day the U.S. government stops becoming a servant for the corps will be the day that an utopia will be born. Especially if niggers die out.