Do Incels Deserve to Die?

Of course not. There is much more to life and much more to being a man than your ability to attract a mate.
I’ll say that as a women, I don’t think women ( IN GENERAL, clearly there will always be a smaller percentage that are assholes) hate incels simply because they aren’t sexually attractive. There’s typically a deep seeded resentment of women that hints at a sense of entitlement that some men think they have to having a partner, which women hate.
I am happy to be friends and work collaboratively with anyone who is friendly, respectful, and well-adjusted. It has nothing to do with how they look. I will treat a quality person with respect and due admiration.

I personally dislike incels for the same reason I dislike feminists. It’s a radical view of the other gender to excuse one’s own short comings and unjustifiably expand perceptions of the worst members of a gender on to the rest of the group.

It’s one thing to say “here are some common problems that modern women should start being held accountable for”, but it’s another to say “I hate all women they’re all used up slutty sperm bag vain cheaters!!! I wish they’d all die!!”

This first I can respect and agree with, the second just displays a mess of personal issues and isn’t constructive in the slightest

Normal human desire for a partner.

Seething roastie

which is my point. anger from lack of being properly loved. which you deserve and I hope you get.

You keep conflating your codependent desire with 'normal human' desire. I don't get it.

Codependency is very obvious. You have GOT to enjoy singlehood-- or what, you plan to just be ill at ease every time? You end up single...?

How is desiring a partner entitlement?

>Since I have failed at being a good man under this rationale
Not exactly. Plenty of women are drawn to alphas who treat them like shit.

Everyone wants to find a partner, it is one of the core elements of our nature. Trying to give it a negative label is absurd... if we as humans did not want to find partners we would be long extinct. How can you "not get" that humans don't want to live our lives alone?

There is no anger, not even at myself. It's just how things are for now and the foreseeable future.

>It's just how things are for now and the foreseeable future.

It'll change and it'll be good.

complete fantasy. women women hate ugly/low status men.

Because these sluts realize that they and you have zero sexual market value. Incels are a reminder that sluts are useless garbage

No, incels deserve to be helped. And by helped I mean they must be forced to leave their basement and get a job.

I have a full time job, my own place, and I don't touch video games yet I'm still an incel.

What now?

The only way it might change is if I get fired and end up in an industry where I interact with women. But, I am very good at my current line of work, so it's highly unlikely ever to happen. Still, the future is not set in stone.

That man doesn't exist.

>90% of people meet their so through mutual friends. If you can't do this and aren't a chad, it's all over for you.
40% of people meet their SO through friends.
The rest meet them at work, in social settings, school, dating apps, through their family even.

But not everyone gets miserable about being single. They take things in stride and focus on the here and now, what they can change and influence.

It's you guys who keep whining that you did 'all the things' but still can't get a girl who refuse to believe that you seriously have to depart from that constant want in order to find a level of mental equilibrium that naturally appeals to people (not just girls).
The kind of discord caused by this constant egging to get yourself a girl and this constant trail of breadcrumbs leading back to basically "I did it to score chicks" sucks. It's not what everyone else does, it's what you guys do.
Normal people just... move on. That's what they have to do, whether or not they find it terribly palatable.

That's the difference. Every human needs to have some level of peace living alone because they could well end up doing so.
What I "don't get" is why you're normalizing desperation.

>But not everyone gets miserable about being single.
Most people do get unhappy if they are single for a prolonged period of time, actually. Normal people prefer to be in a relationship than single.

Genuine monks are very rare.

Why are you asking a useless slut?

No one is whining here except for roast beef vaginas

Then you need help because you're mentally ill. You joined a death cult, you chose to identify as part of a group of young men who are essentially male tumblrina sjw's. They blame women and society for their own failures even though everything is their own doing. Just like sjw tumblrinas.

>Most people do get unhappy if they are single
Here's how we know you're a teenager and probably not even a legal adult yet. There are lots of singles in their 20s and 30s and they enjoy life. You are making the mistake of thinking single means not having sex.

If they are perfectly normal, not socially akward, and not ugly, there is only a matter of time until he gets a gf

Same. I also have outdoor hobbies (motorcycle, fishing, hiking, climbing) and a core group of male friends. Through some miracle I lost my vcard to a nice girl at 26, but she left me and I'm back at almost 0.
Took an almost super human effort and radical change for me to have even 1% chance. I'm still over looked for seemingly no apparent reason.
Having that person to bond with though is amazing. I'm not bitter. I'm depressed, but not outwardly and not in a traditional sense either.

No, dude.
Just no. I'm not even fucking justifying that with a proper response because holy fuck no, dude.

The problem with incels is their mindset, they live in a cultist mentality where improving yourself and talking to girls is forbidden.

>I'm still over looked for seemingly no apparent reason.
There's a clear reason but you're delusional and have zero self-awareness. Try to be objective for once and find out what it is.

So you do concede that they are not content with spending their lives alome without partners and that even someone without a committed relationahip is still going to seek out companionship, but you still feel the need for childish insults because... why, exactly?

The deathtrap of sluts letting hundreds of men cum in everyhole and aborting all the babies? You blame that on male virgins? You are a dumb slut

Read the post again. Lots of single men and women in their 20s and 30s enjoy life. And they can and do occasionally hook up, and maybe get into a relationship at some point. Normal people are not as thirsty or desperate or you. You seem extremely thirsty and desperate, which is also the reason you are not getting girls.

Females are all fat diseased whores who feel entitlement to Chad cum but if I lift these weights they will magically be debt free virgins without tattoos

>male virgins
>incels
Why did you change the subject? At first you were talking about incels, a death cult where most of them are virgins, and now suddenly are talking about male virgins...

If there was a clear reason you would just say it
>move out
>get a job
etc

I'm simply stating observations and yet you attack me.

Nothing wrong with wanting a partner. But when you blame women for not being attracted to you rather than changing yourself to appear more attractive to women, it’s entitlement. The idea of “I should be able to live exactly the way I want to and have a 10/10 virgin Asian wife who puts up with all my shit”.
Again, not saying that all men or even all incels have that kind of standard, but it’s a meme for a reason.
And for the record, women are hella entitled too especially recently. The idea of “I want a 10/10 hot guy who is sensitive but masculine and always caters to my whim” is like the female equivalent of the meme I mentioned earlier.

Basically people need to be more willing to settle and compromise, or they need to be willing to change themselves and grow to achieve their standards.

Men are disposable you would know that if you weren't a stupid used up whore

Why are you normalizing your desperation?

It's not. Stop trying to make like the LGBTBBQ people, and stop trying to normalize bullshit.

Not true. Sure, shit ass trash women who are shallow and vain. But why are you even considering those? Leave them to the shit ass trash men who are shallow and vain.

Because you're not telling the truth. You said you're an incel for "no apparent reason". There is a clear reason you are not getting girls but you're not being objective. Really, figure out what it is. Is it because you are a boring nobody? Because you have never asked girls out? Because you have never made any effort?

>stupid
>used up
>whore
I'm none of those actually, why are you acting like a 15 year old and retorting to weak insults instead of trying to understand the point?

Shitty women feel entitled to chad causing the incel crisis

Yep, I mentioned that here Both parties need a reality check.

Kind of irrelevant question:
Technically shouldn’t the incel hatred be aimed at chads, then? Like if ugly women are able to hook up with guys much hotter than them and are thereby developing deluded expectations, isn’t that technically “chad’s fault”? I always see hatred directly at women but never at Chad. It’s not like men wouldn’t take the opportunity to hook up with girls above their league if they had the opportunity and were promiscuous by nature.

chad isn't the one going out of his way for these women. it's roasties who chase after chad and would do literally anything to get with him.

Am I an incel if I haven't met a women in 6 years because my college and workplace were both all male and I don't live in a town or city? Seems like a big aspect of inceldom is blaming women instead of yourself for them not jumping onto your lap but in my case they just don't seem to be an aspect of my life no matter how much I want them to be.
Assigning labels to people is dangerous because all actions of one person in a group become attributed to the rest. Incel means "involuntarily celibate", or someone who unwillingly ended up never having sex. By that definition I am one. But because of how labels and groups and the internet work, it now means ''lonely misogynist who hates women in general" instead.

Chad's don't hate incels, the only hate incels get is from mediocre used up roasties. Ask why these used up whores won't accept an incel when the incel is superior to the roast in every way

Fair enough I guess. Here are my flaws and detractors
>skinny (working out 4x a week now)
>engineer (all males, same can be seen with my other engineer friends as compared to the unemployed or underemployed who always have girls)
>boring personality (fun hobbies and I drink, but still bad at small talk unless that person also is interested in the same hobbies)
>only use dating apps to seek out girls (no time after work and exercise to drive into the city for meetups or whatever, weekends spent maintaining friendships, which are a requisite, and doing chores)
I'm not perfect, but it's not like these are deal breakers. I just get a very low response rate. And it's rare I click with people I meet either online or in person

Yeah but isn’t that human nature- to want to get with the most desirable partner as possible? I feel like everyone except those who shun society are aiming for the same exact goal: to reproduce and partner with the hottest person you can.
I’m not saying that degenerate slutty behavior isn’t morally reprehensible- I personally hate hook up culture and the concept of reducing a person to their assets.

I guess by the same token it’s male-nature to want to have as much sex as possible, sort of regardless of woman (within reason).

I dunno. It does suck but it makes absolute sense biologically. Sucks that the burden falls on the beta mate but that’s how it goes I guess. You have to change and grow and adapt or you get sexually selected out

It's hypergamy, the sluts used to choose from a few dozen men now it's millions. It's not you it's entitled fat whores

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>Yeah but isn’t that human nature- to want to get with the most desirable partner as possible
No. The vast majority of incels just want A girlfriend. Not some supermodel, not a harem of women and not some unicorn. just a normal woman.

It is absolutely not "human nature" to be a whore and to want to jump from one fuck to the next like women do.

I get that these used up whores are the bottom of the barrel, but aren’t incels kind of at the same level? I can’t imagine that there are a really large number of incels who are overwhelmingly superior?

And yeah, I do get that since chads don’t hate on the incels the incels don’t hate on the chads. I will say though, I think a lot of women dislike incels because incels are typically hateful of all women, not just the bottom rung of trashy women.
It’s like why men hate feminists even though many of them are not sexist or misogynistic. People don’t like being accused of insulting behavior that they don’t think represents them.

Based gandalf

Yeah I just want a normal woman. I can get over people's imperfections. And the more I'm with them the more attracted I feel over time. At first I might see small tits or a pimple, but it's ok, then later it's just who they are I want the whole package. Women it seems do the opposite.

Hm, ok. I’ll believe you, but I will say that in my personal experience with incels, they just hate women period. It’s like a resentment. I’ve only had sex with 2 people in my life (both very long 5+ year committed relationships) which is much lower than most people especially in my age group, and incels hate me. I don’t do dating apps or casual hookups, I don’t have tattoo’s or piercings, I have conservative values, i’m financially independent and emotionally/mentally well adjusted- but I somehow fall in to the same category as a literal crack whore gold digger in a lot of their minds even though I conduct myself very differently. I’ve never been hostile or rude to an incel. It’s like my existence pisses them off. Maybe i’m just dealing with the bottom rung of incels? Where can I go to observe a more wholistic incel view?

At this point about the bottom 50% of men are incels, the next 30% get scraps and the top 20% pump and dump 3 sluts a day

Can you understand why an incel would feel that way when he has to pay for these sluts through taxes and affirmative action and in return they get hatred and contempt everyday of their life.

This OP, this will be my first actual post in this thread. I see there is a lot of shit flinging about the meme version of incel, this is unimportant as thats not what Im talking about.

I also saw several posts referencing the need to be content alone. I partially disagree on the basis that my issue is not being single now, it is never having had a relationship. Being single periodically is normal, never having had a relationship past a certain age is indicative there is something wrong with me, hence the thesis that I deserve death. If I had a couple under my belt Id probably not care much aboht being single.

Im a khv at 24 despite putting in a great deal of effort to improve myself. This is not simply a case of bad luck.

I have recently been putting myself in a lot of social situations. My social skills have improved drastically to the point Im the most engaging when I meet with a group of strangers. I have met several women that I have been interested in, but have failed to be able to ask them out through no fault of my own. Theyll either have a boyfriend I find out about, they disappear from the group right after I decide to approach, or some other cicumstancial bs. The answer is 0, but Im actively putting myself out there.

I may not fit it exactly, but I believe I have many positive traits and dont possess any of the really obvious negative ones (poor hygene). The faults I do see in myself I have been actively improving on.

As stated above, there is nothing apparently wrong with me. I do have some intrinsic negative traits (im short), but anything I can fix I do. Unless there is something fundamentally wrong with me that is not immediately apparent, then Im not sure where the problem lies.

Incels only get hate from other incels. They are a hateful group, they hate everyone including themselves.

Fuck off back to with your gay psyops.

The bottom 0.00001% of men are incels, the others get pussy.

You ever stick up for men and the unfair way they are treated? Don't answer because we know the answer is no you love your vagina privilege. I'm not an incel but I hate women because they enslave men

google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?outputType=amp

Here are some numbers on it if you’re interested. In 2018 the percent of young men reporting no sex was 28%. So it’s more like 72% are chads/leftovers and 28% are incels.

Although, this can be linked with a number of different things. Sure hookup culture is definitely a part, but things like video games have also made it easier for men to isolate themselves. And social media in general has changed the way genders interact and perceive each other.