Is it true that some men are just royally fucked when it comes to dating because of things like height, race, balding...

>if women only fucked
To me it's beyond just fucking. When a woman I know so much as talks about how much she likes tall men or lists some other trait that she finds really desirable and I don't have it, I assume I either have no chance, or that she'd have to effectively "settle" on me, which I don't want. I'd like for someone to be incredibly attracted to me for exactly who I am, and while I want to think I just need to put on muscle and dress and groom nicer and work on my social skills, the women I know seem to not care about all that and just like any guy as long as he is tall and/or white. Perhaps I'm thinking this because my social circle/workplace/city is full of white or light skin people, and I'm mixed race but most see me as "black" , and on top of this I'm not desired by any women (I've never met a non-white guy who does exceptionally well with women, short guys maybe but never non-whites). I really just don't know.

I guess I could do that. I improve myself in little ways gradually but I've never dived into it completely, throttle in full.

I know it sucks and it feels hopeless but there's many different women out there and eventually you will find one if you put in the effort to. I would focus on self improvement and being positive because constant negativity will eat away at you like termites. Also Jow Forums isnt exactly a great moral booster no matter how fun and addicting it might be.

Yes, some people are extremely fucked.

However, they're not "incels" because they can 1. buy a prostitute, 2. date an obese, mentally retarded black woman, or 3. import a Vietnamese wife who will divorce you. If these don't sound appealing, then they are fucked.

>prostitute
Doesn't solve the issue of me being unable to get into a satisfactory sexual relationship with a willing partner. I'd still be an incel in every fiber of my being outside of pure semantics.

>date an obese, retarded black girl
I get what you're saying, but all women have options. Every single one. And even those ones would reject me.

>import a wife
I can't afford this.

I suppose I'm fucked.

I'd like for there to be hope but then I realize that what will really happen is a woman will go through life when she's younger and prettier dating better looking guys than me, and only look my way when she has a kid or two and her options fade later in her life.

>I suppose I'm fucked.
Yes, because you have standards that prevent you from dating a homeless, toothless crack whore.

According to society, that means you're entitled and shouldn't complain.

I'll be honest the last couple of women I've been interested in have had some really obvious emotional issues and inability to handle their own lives, and I basically didn't care because I was lonely and sadly a little horny. Should I actually raise my standards here?

Have you tried not being so entitled? Maybe an incel like you should try asking out the fat black lady at the post office first.

Not sure if trolling or serious

But I will point out that women have a list of standards too so I don't see why I can't have an opinion on them at all

Because beggars can't be choosers?

I mean if I have to just accept women weighing whatever they want and doing whatever they want because men are so desperate regardless, and I have to be a supreme ass kisser to make women like me, I might as well die alone.

The dating market definitely is in women's favor they get first choice because men are horny bastards who let women get away with a lot of shit that women have no business getting away with it so your options are to dismantle the current system, Suck it up and play it, or check out and become a celibate. Nobody says it's fair and equal because its not. Dating sucks and you can make yourself more diserable or fuck off

I don't think you understand what bottom of teh barrell truly means breh.
I'm talking quasimodo looking dwarf man levels of ugly.
If you don't have somekind of physical disfigurement, getting swole will go a long way towards making you sexually appealing to women.

>make yourself more desirable
Per the premise of the thread, I have a low ceiling to contend with in this regard. And while I may be short, balding and not white, I am in good health, and I take care of myself financially despite not being rich. I refuse to date someone who has a horrible relationship with food, suffers massive psychology issues, or simply won't get their shit together, especially if all of this is the only reason they want to be with me (they can't be bothered to not eat too much, they can't be bothered to be a good conversationalist or try to be funny, etc.) so yeah...I guess I'll die alone, because those women are too pretty. My own mother even said so. :^)

>getting swole
I realize this sounds like rejecting good advice and maybe it is but I've seen the short dudes who are similar in the looks category to me and every one of them who's "gotten swole", obviously did so for the purpose of being more attractive and compensating for not being genetically taller and larger. I hold nothing against them but I know that's what everyone else on earth will see when they see any short dude who has to do a million things just to be wanted by anyone, maybe, and I'd like if you or someone had advice on how to overcome these feelings or just deal with the realization.

LMAO. Complains all thread about not being a white 7ft genetic God then bitches about dudes who put in work to make up for their shortcomings. Eat shit faggot you're dieing alone for sure with your mindset

it has nothing to do with looks whatsoever. the only time looks matters is on tinder which is a shithole for stupid normie stacys. just be confident and pleasurable to have a conversation with. its almost like women are people too :0

Thing is I never said those dudes are technically successful. Yeah sure you can be a tryhard broad shouldered gymcel manlet but meanwhile your tall, pale, skinny white friend with a full head of blonde hair and nice eyes just exists and gets laid while you still have to bring a million other things to the table.

>you're dying alone
I mean if I have to put in all this effort just to be with anyone because I'm not the apex of the modern attractiveness standard, including women who bring less than half to the table what they expect in men, then I might as well die alone.

>just be confident and pleasurable
Okay, but how does this explain the many handfuls of women I've known who just sort of latch onto a guy because he's good looking and nothing else?

>then I might as well die alone.
that's the spirit

No, you don't get royally fucked by those things. They are factors, and attractive men have more leeway when it comes to personality and other qualities, but as long as you have your other stuff in order you can date and sleep around as much as you want.
As for Tinder, if it's such a problem, find girls that aren't using Tinder?
If you think all women just want cock from strangers all the time I'd say the problem is with your personality more than anything else.

Its more men than adv likes to admit. Official projections say 28% of men are in this category

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>as long as you have your other stuff in order you can date and sleep around as much as you want.
lmao

>you can date and sleep around as much as you want
Look I'm not looking to argue just to argue but this simply isn't true. Rejection is a thing even for world famous athletes and pop stars, it exists for a balding manlet exponential times more.

>find girls that don't use Tinder
Well that's easier said than done. And even then, Tinder exists as a by-product of the current society and it's dating marketplace, it only reflects and puts on display inherent human nature. Women will still prioritize looks even off of Tinder and I say this from experience, looks will always matter.

>a cock from strangers all the time
I actually don't believe that, so much as I believe they want a man who ticks off many boxes which is fine and within their right. The thing is, if I'm inherently unable to tick certain boxes like being a certain height, being of a certain race, having a certain eye color than how do I deal with it, what do I do?

>while you still have to bring a million other things to the table.
That's just the name of the game brah. Put up or shut up.

Never listen to women on what they say they'll accept in a man. They honestly don't know what the fuck they'll accept until it's in front of them. That fairytale tall dark and handsome shit is contradicted daily.
I have a really fat black friend that gets women all day because he's a funny loudmouth and act likes he's better than every girl he meets. I garentee none of those women thought initially they would fuck someone like him.
It's really as simple as showing interest in them and appearing to be superior to them. That's it.

Stop lying nigger. Looks aren't the be-all-end-all, but they do matter.
It's far easier to get a qt3.14 gf when you're looking good and fit then when you're a fat slob.

shave your dome, bald >>> balding

>meanwhile your tall, pale, skinny white friend

abandon your useless resentment, you weak mind. It serves nothing.

Where was it written that you or anyone else is going to get the same toolbag as everyone else?

>useless resentment

Totally dog, can't wait until I'm 35 and the women who rejected me have second thoughts after they've had their fun and maybe a kid or three. I'm sure itll be because I "worked on myself".

Why are you going to wait until 35 to start dating women? Why not start now?

Or maybe more people just dare to admit it nowadays, well at least in a survey or online?

Money doesn't bring you girls, status brings

More men and women are abstaining from sex these days, it is known.

don't give up
women who have good relationships with their fathers look for men who are similar. similar job similar looks anything will do. women who have bad relationships with their fathers will look for the opposite of them. So they're plenty of women out there for you bro.

You don't want help. You've already convinced yourself of something that isn't true and you refuse to listen to any arguments against it.

If you believe things are hopeless, to the point you attack people who offer you hope, then you are truly lost.

You need to find a way to break out of the cycle of negative self-talk and actually be willing to think a positive thought every now and then.

When you do, read again. That dude knows what's up.

the answer to this is the same as the answer to any fucking incel thread: the reason you cant get laid is because nobody sees anything in you, and the reason for that is that you dont see anything in yourself and so you have nothing to offer. you are a beta male. literally all you need to do is snap out of it. stop feeling sorry for yourself. you have just as much of a shot as anyone else, have some fucking dignity.

>when i know any woman can just download Tinder and have a buffet of cock at her disposal

this isnt a thing. you have no social skills and you never talk to women, stop acting like you understand how culture works. dont take literally any incel rhetoric seriously, it's all autistic bullshit. girls only want to fall in love and they wont do it with you because you have a shitty self indulgent personality that youre fully capable of snapping out of

>this isnt a thing. you have no social skills and you never talk to women, stop acting like you understand how culture works

I read the rest of your post, but this line right here makes it hard to take you seriously.

I have over 400 Facebook friends, roughly half of them if not more are women. I've interacted with many of them many times, they've shared their relationship experiences with me. One of them even showed me the hundreds of Tinder matches she got, and she is not your typical thin pretty Stacy by any means. Others have told me how often they get hit on, and I have no reason not to believe them.

>you have nothing to offer
I'm completely aware of this. Why do you think I made this thread? I'm aware of what women want. I've talked to enough of them and gotten a really good handle on what makes a guy "cute". Tip: it's not me. Of course working out might make me more attractive. Maybe. Or it might not, and if it doesn't I put on muscle and tried to look really good for nothing. I'd like to do it for myself, if anything.

>Why wait until 35?
I'm not waiting. After reading the thread, I know I should just give up. My concerns have not really been addressed, it's just a lot of "nah that's not true" which completely contradicts everything I've experienced in all my 26 years of living. I actually flew out to meet an LDR many moons ago, and got told I was too short, skinny and awkward and she felt nothing for me. That said all I needed to know about women. Besides that, every time I interact with them, I just know they aren't interested. It is broadcast to me in the most subtle way, and I'm only able to detect it because I'm so used to rejection that I know exactly what it is and I know it's inevitable every single time.

Thanks for the answers.

You could try to improve yourself in those factors women deem important in a mate.

So I need leg lengthening surgery, skin bleaching and a wig?

Seriously, none of the women I know seem to care about much more than appearances. It's precisely why they match certain dudes on Tinder (I got no matches on that app), it's why they talk to certain guys but when I'm in the room they put their headphones in/stare at their phone/clearly look put off.

I've tried dude, I really have. I've asked girls out, I've talked to women, I always get excuses as to why they can't go out or if it goes far enough they "friendzone" me. It's not a matter of not feeling sorry for myself. Women have agency, they pick the men that they want to be with. They don't want to be with me, and they never will, I know this because of how they treat me. Even the ones who tell me I'm sweet, funny, attractive, whatever (seriously) won't date me (they must be lying or something because I would ask them out and suddenly they go completely cold and ghost me so hard it's like there is a fucking emotional ocean between us that can never be crossed).

Bruh my friend is a non white and isnt tall and still does wonders with women. He just knows how to talk.

Money is a shortcut to status, which brings you girls.

There's an ugly girl for every ugly guy out there, and vice-versa.

want proof? Its how your parents met.

Myself I've been with a load of girl, been in long term relationships, been in one night stands, had threesomes, been in weird memesexual non-relationship relationships where I was basically dating a "lesbian" couple and fucking around with them, had sex in public places, etc etc etc.

None of the girls were more attractive than like a 7/10 and neither am I.

Neither money nor status will bring you girls. If it does, those girls are only gold diggers.

You can be a welfare schlob or working McDonalds and still get girls.

>none were more attractive than a 7/10
Are you implying that below 7/10 is ugly? As I said above, I don't want a model. But it's not like it matters, I'm giving up now.

I feel like mixed race guys are doing better every passing year. Hopefully such a trend continues.

>Are you implying that below 7/10 is ugly?
That's how womens standards work

Bro, i felt the same shit. Was hopeless with girls for a long time, i used to have very bad social skills. Im non-white, just under 6 foot tall and work minimum wage in my early 20’s. Joe rogan was right, pick one: funny, rich or fit. Youll defs get a girl. From what girls ive dated tell me, i have a weird sense of humour and a good personality. This year I also got really fit, currently 200 pounds 17% body fat, the V-taper looks great and i get compliments on my physique. Its nice and makes a big difference if you can build 1 of those traits.

Chase happiness and dont look back, bro. Put in the time and effort, and get the result.

Will you stop with your pathetic lies already? Admit the truth. You don't want a girlfriend. You don't to be attractive. It's a scary thought and you spend all your time and effort to make sure nobody will like you.

You sound mentally ill, or congenitally retarded. Start by trying to salvage what you can and go from there

Fucked when it comes to dating SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL WOMEN, yes.

Please take a look at Mrs Lee Kuan Yew. 3/10, just like hubby. But fuck, theyre both dragons.

Yea any woman can get a buffet of cock.

It still takes either a KEEPER or a Reaper to get a ring on that finger.

That's how DUMB SLUTS standards work.

No, the opposite. Sluts have low standards and will fuck anyone. Girls who don't sleep around have high standards.

No no no no no

Sure a bitch might look at a tall dude and have a bit of that natural oh shit he powerful moment but that’s only if the tall guy actually takes care of himself, as long as you don’t look pathetic ur good. Good clothes, good style, charisma - the three quintessential things to melting pussy.

Kill all insecurities, most guys who you think are chads have probably never gave any of their girls actual orgasms.

Hard to get bitches are usually never worth your time. Dried up cunts looking for orbiters to help them feel better about themselves

And

If there’s one thing I learned about bitches in my 23 years of life and fucking, is that women have no standards, they have checkboxes for what their brain wants from a man (I say their brain because the sluts are too stupid to describe what they like) - authority, your mission as a man is to make a girl feel attractive by not showing that you’re attracted to her

You can do that you got easy pussy with every bitch you’ll ever want

Also omfg really dating apps

Real life is the best app, faggot

That’s your problem

You don’t understand women at all

Women don’t want to date
They don’t want relationships
They want to feel desired and be pleasured and give pleasure in return
Dating is such a fucking hassle and strain on your life
Sex should always come before dating, remember that

When women talk about shit that triggers your insecurities it’s called shit tests

If you start thinking like you wrote there, it means you failed and you are shit

If you be a boss and just show that you give a fuck about how you look not what bitches think they want there you go instant pussy

So then don't talk to girls and ask them out? Because if you do they'll know you find them attractive.

This situation is more complex than you pretend. What is bottom of the barrel? Homeless druggies that lie, cheat, steal, never bathe, are missing most of their teeth, have little knowledge and zero intellect to back it up are still able to get laid and have relationships.

The average 4virgin is just some under or overweight neet that can operate most modern devices, cleans themselves regularly, has a house, some form of income, clean clothes, decent dental health, and has most of the basic expectations of being a functional human.

If you were to put their good and bad qualities in a vacuum I think people would overwhelming vote in favor of the 4virgin, and yet they are not the ones who are successful in this regard. Who is really bottom of the barrel?