Been in a "relationship" with a guy for 3 yrs

Been in a "relationship" with a guy for 3 yrs

Realized I'm a lesbian. Pretty obvious. Not sure why he's with me actually. We've never had sex. Never sent nudes. Send him gross pics of my hairy legs sometimes. 3 years, boys.

So. What do I do? We are very up each other's asses and spend all our fucking time together. Just not fucking.

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You sound more asexual than lesbian.
Are you constantly horny but just repulsed of the idea of sex with a man?

>Not sure why he's with me actually. We've never had sex.
You're not married; that's what you should be doing.
Aside from the lesbian bit I don't see what the issue is with the relationship.
>What do I do
Break up, duh. Did this really need a thread? If you're convinced you're a lesbian, that should be obvious.

Well make sure your feelings aren't just a disgust for him in particular. How did you realize you were a lesbian ?

Yeah but not super horny all the time . I just want to be the masculine role I guess. Everyone said I was a lesbian. I dressed like a lesbian. I got lovingly compared to Russian Dyke trope ladies. Younger cute girls flock to me and have always gotten weird crushes on me. They made jokes about me being their bf.
I am too virile for anything a straight relationship can offer me.

It's the only relationship I've ever been in and what if he thinks he turned me gay or gets really upset

>what if he thinks he turned me gay
kek
That's a meme. Look, breaking up is obligatory if you're a lesbian. That relationship by definition will go nowhere. Do that first, and IF there is a problem, then you can come back here and ask for advice. In all likelihood, it'll hurt him, but that would happen regardless of the reason for breaking up. I don't think he'll snap because of it.

Not him but

>only relationship I've ever been in

Doesn't mean it'll be the last.

>what if he thinks he turned me gay

You really don't have to get into your sexuality all that much. Just say something along the lines of 'I've never really found you attractive sexually'. Vague statements that are truthful but don't bring attention to it if possible. Of course there is the chance he might try to figure out/ask why specifically possibly to improve himself or try to stick with you but emphasizing that it's not really his fault and that it's a type sorta thing is preferred.

>gets really upset

That's par for the course with most break ups.

>'I've never really found you attractive sexually'
I would find this much more painful than just being honest that you're a homo. This comes closer to saying it's his fault, or at least presenting it that way--it's saying that HIS attractiveness is in question, rather than your own mindset.

To me it sounds like you might be bisexual or at least kind of bicurios biconfused lol
Everyone keeps telling you youre a lesbian, you dont feel offended, you even tell yourself youre a lesbian, so maybe youre, bicurious, bisexual or a lesbian.
But you said you eant to dominate males, so maybe not a lesbian


Also, theres no problem on having a relationship without sex, if hes astounding on everything else, then you guys are ok. You love him, he loves you, sex isnt part of your relationship

Also, you ever try to dominate him sexually?

No he is very heterosexual.
He wants fuck. I don't.

Well here's the question.

Do you actually want to fuck women?

Because if not, you ain't no lesbeen.

Just sit still and wait for it to be over when you are both together and get a gf you share

Shit, guess you should propose to him, then.

youre mentally ill lady

>guy has been a cuck for the past 3 years
OH NO NO NO NO

Women's bodies are infinitely nicer.

He wants to have sex but has stayed with you for three years? How exactly did you manage that?
I would leave the very second I realized the relation did not include sex.

Take the dick and see what you feel after

I dunno. I like male abs, while the top 60% of dicks look better than the bottom 80% of vaginas.

Just tell him something like
"I'm sure you've probably wondered why we've never fucked in 3 years. I'm pretty sure I'm gay and only now really realized it."

See what he says. It's your first relationship so it's kind of an understandable predicament.

I’d say you are bisexual user (and maybe leaning toward women more right now), because lesbians don’t even consider dicks, it doesn’t matter how they look they don’t have an interest in them

You’re confused and repulsed by him because he sounds like a beta male
>didn’t leave you after 3 years no sex
ULTIMATE BETA MALE

Maybe he's gay too and you're just his beard?

>tfw no lesbian gf
i would love to be in a relationship with a girl but without the degenerate part of it, just dating and cuddling
after all, I can wank whenever I want

t.faggot

He's half religious so he has some desire, intellectually, to wait. But he also obviously acts sexually towards me and tries for stuff even though he says he doesn't want to. Idk.

I will when you do.

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Vaginas when spread are pretty unaesthetic I agree. But when the lips are pursed it's smooth an innocent. It's like an angel.

Men have a goofy floppy nose sticking out their crotch that overrides their thinking and gives them a weird complex in sexual stuff. It also means I have to risk the horror of pregnancy to have sex after his constant pressure to do so, or drug my body up with fake hormones despite health risks, or cram a metal rod into my internal organs so that it can cause a constant low-key irritation of my uterus in order to prevent a fetus implanting.

Either way, sex with men turns me into something I don't want to be.

I do not expect any male to ever actually respect or understand me. It isn't possible for them to.

Also I told him up front I was basically asexual. He said that was fine he's just jerk it to anime.
It of course was not fine and he eventually pushed for sexual stuff despite me freaking out and asking him to stop.

>Just consent to sex you dont want
Ok retard.

Wouldn't there need to be another guy involved for him to be a cuck? It's not like someone else is having sex with me while he doesnt. I don't really want sex with anyone. But I can be very affectionate and romantic. However, historically all of that affectionate/romantic behavior has been directed at girls only. I want very much to be in the masculine role and always acted it out with them. They responded to my masculinity with increased feminity. The last girl I had this with loved pink and drew pictures of us as cute animals but mine was usually a grumpy masculine animal. I just want to pet their heads and lead them through life.

Also I do not like abs on other people, only myself. I like the soft smoothness of female bodies. I like some short feminine boys also but I know their psychology repels me.

Well yeah you're gay bro

>sex with men turn me into something I dont want to be
A proper woman?

t. degenerate

A "proper" woman doesn't need to stab a metal rod into her internal organs to satiate some stupid beast who isn't mean to stay with her anyway.

Men are ruined and will never have empathy or respect for women. Only lust. Women aren't meant to fuck all the time.

Sounds like you just hate men, then. Have you talked to your boyfriend about this? Do you hate him?

Post pics of yourself so I can judge whether or not you are worthy of a man's respect.

Yeah this is exactly what I mean.
"Your entire value is your appearance and how much a man wants to fuck you. I decide what you are. Not you. Now shave your legs. Put on these leggings. Cram this IUD into yourself. Let me use you."

I owe you nothing. You are incapable of respect.

I understand the differences between us. I know we are not the same. I know he is wired to view me as second class and an object for pleasure, as all men are. I love him as a person (in a way a mother would love and want to see the best for a child) and find him fascinating in other areas, but know we are incompatible for anything more than sexual reproduction, and even in that arena, our wants/needs are different unless confined exclusively to an encounter where we set out to procreate. Men do not care about procreation though. Men care about pleasure. Fucking. Dominating. Fulfilling themselves via me.

No thanks.

Trans women can fill that void now. They're mans ideal image of woman. A pornified bimbo whos entire identity as a woman rests on being a male fetish; submissive, into BDSM and being degraded to feed the partner's ego, incapable of getting knocked up, consequence free, and utterly repulsive to real women who haven't been brainwashed into "accepting" them. Its very telling of how men view women to see how they "become" (lol) women.

I love men. I do not love how men think of women.

get yourself a qt trap.

>"Abloo bloo bloo! Men only like attractive women who take care of themselves. It's so unfair!"
>"Abloo bloo bloo!"

Lol you don't deserve a man's respect because you're gross and spiteful. No man fucking cares about how good you are at something if you can't even adhere to the most basic expectations that they have.

Idiot hag. You're better off buying a dog and having it lick peanut butter off your unkempt snatch.

>Trans women can fill that void now. They're mans ideal image of woman.

Holy fuck, bitch

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>"Abloo bloo bloo! Men only like attractive women who take care of themselves. It's so unfair!"

there you go again, showing you inability to comprehend anything other than "woman must care that i dont find her attractive cus all that could possibly matter in here life is a man finding her attractive because thats all i give a fuck about"

fucking idiot. youre proving everything im saying.

Oh, if that's what you're getting it then yes, you are absolutely right.

Enjoy your miserable existence you ugly hag!

You don't seem to know what I am getting at.
You seem incapable of seeing women as anything other than existing for the purpose of men. My entire identity to you revolves around my worth to you sexually. I am not a human to you. I am a tool to you.

It is actually hilarious that you are incapable of extending your logical thinking past that, and stupidly place the blame on "yeah she must be mad I don't wanna fuck her".

How stupid are you?
"I'm mad all he wants to do is fuck"
"Wow bitch you're just mad he doesn't want to fuck you"

Like goddamn. Look at that shit. Look how absolutely fucking braindead and one track mind you are.

Men are floppy, goofy, and unable to control themselves.

I am smooth, dignified, and restrained.

Yet they tell me I'm degenerate. Their entire purpose is to be degenerate. Casual sex and jealous violence until they die.

Why would I want to live in a constant war zone? For protection? From who? The same monsters I need protection FROM? what good is a man to me over a woman unless I want a child?

Men will benefit from women but women do not benefit from men. Married women die earlier. Married men live longer. Men take. Women give. Men are selfish. Women are altruistic.

If I have any survival instincts at all, they will steer me from predators; from men.

Can you not comprehend that when a man tries to "become" a woman he is presenting a man's (his) image of what a woman is?
Is that too hard for you?

Another female here. You come off as a radfem stereotype, get defined as lesbian stereotypes by OTHER FEMALES, and worse of all, you embrace that stereotype given to you. Frankly, you come off as incredibly vapid. I was somewhat supportive at the beginning of the thread, but all semblance of sympathy ran out the more you typed.

I'll tell you a bit about men from what I've observed; they hate people who refuse to take responsibility and they hate people who wallow in their problems. You were in a relationship you were not invested in for 3 years and made no effort to leave. Worst over, you talk about wanting to be the masculine one, but still obsess like a girl about the fallout and let others define what and who you are. Rip off the bandaid already.

And those girls who shower you in compliments and flirts think about you in a similar manner to the men you berate so passionately. If you're getting flirted with theres a 90% chance the person is solely thinking of getting in your pants and getting a nice orgasm. They know NOTHING about you aside that you have a body that they find appealing and want to fuck. THEY defined you, not you discovering yourself.

You're not a very good tool and should be discarded, which is precisely what's happening. All is right in the world.

Can you not comprehend that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about and should seek medical attention for your damaged brain?

1. I did not let other people make me a lesbian. I used this to give example of the observable reality of my teenage behavior. I was romantic towards girls, unfeminine, uninterested in sex or boys, and gravitates with stuff (style, interests etc) that for whatever reason are observed in lesbians to clarify how stupidly obvious it was besides my lack of much sexual desire ("but I don't really want to fuck girls I can't be gay"). It is a lie that women are just as horny as men though. If that lie had not been propogated and all sorts of shit invented to completely go against the biology that also proves it, I would never have been confused.

2. They were rarely sexually flirtatious. They were flirtatious in a "marry me and care for me forever you respectably stoic and strong yet warm, caring beast. I trust you and admire you. I feel safe and valued with you. You are strong and cool."
Cool you can only think about love as sex though. Maybe one day you will experience pure romance and partnership.

You're still doing it. Holyshit it's like there's a weird hole in your ability to see anything but "women are for sex" to the point of having no idea why anyone would be upset by literally anything else. Just. Fuck. It's like talking to someone who knows only five words.

Women are only for sex.

it's not a lie, not everyone feels exactly same. there is no "supposed to". pPenty of women get horny multiple times a day, and plenty of men get horny with a soft dick, and plenty of women put food in their vaginas, and plenty of men get their eyebrows done before a date with a woman. Be you, but don't make everyone else be you too.

If you were never ever interested in boys, why did you date one for 3 years? At every point during that 3 year relationship when you did think "wow, I don't like sex or men", why didn't you pick up your shit and leave then? You spoke about your bf like you guys were attached at the hip and now it's a seething hatred for the entire Male sex. You are not masculine at all, people simply labelled you as so because of a shallow outwards impression.

More so, those girls that did talk so dreamily about a future with you are just like the men. They're both using you. The men want sex and the lesbos want a free ride in life securely planted on your back. Neither group actually know you. They have some preconceived notion of who and what you are and have determined that you(as an object) can satisfy what they desire. Don't get me wrong, women can and are just as big of horny bastards as men(see girls who brag about their body count and sexual liberation) and your incredible denial shows your utter naivety of the world or a mind that's been so heavily distorted into some shitty reality of "we vs. them".

Wow what am I doing when I'm not having sex with men
Men have infinitely less in their lives than women if you want to be a dumb one track mind everything is about sex because I jerk off all day idiot cumbrain.

Women will have sex, then so much more after. Man fucks then he's done. Wow look how your one singular purpose lines right up with your dumb one track mind. Meanwhile women extend infinitely. Fucking cosmic spec.

The current ideology of "women want to fuck just as much as men" is a lie. Individual preferences are not the average. An anomaly does not negate what can be seen even in the way sex and reproduction works between the sexes. Women are not designed to fuck all the time. They CANNOT effectively fuck all the time like men. They fuck, then get pregnant for nine months, then are infertile for the duration of nursing due to hormones.
Men fuck. And fuck. And fuck. Gay men fuck so much.

I am a woman, and let me tell you, if I could confirm that all men think like they do on 4channel™, I would immediately become a lesbian living as a hermit off the grid.

Goddamn, the toxicity on this website.

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We have similar passions and would be excellent partners, but not sexually save for creating a child. I informed him of my near asexuality when he requested the relationship. He agreed. He later backtracked and pushed for sex anyway. Men are incapable of not pushing and will condemn you for refusing to do so outside of it's natural purpose. Men are born sexually sinful.

I respect him as a very intelligent and interesting person. I have genuine care for his wellbeing like a mother would a child. I would take care of him forever. I would let him be a house husband and raise children. But the distorted idea of "women need to have the same sexual desire as men do" (ignoring that our leutenizing hormones are on completely different schedules) makes asshole sociopaths of men who refuse to take accountability for their disgusting sexual nature, and instead place the blame on the woman for not wanting it. Adam blames Eve. Oldest story ever.

It's all modern men unless they are intelligent to reason themselves out of the lies, and courageous enough to not blame their sexual natures existence on a lack of it in someone else. "You're bad for not being depraved as me. You owe me." Stupid. Childish. Coward. Failure as a leader of your own life.

Then for the rest of their life they find reasons to reassure themselves their disgustingness is actually the fault of women.

Look for one that reads philosophy and is Catholic. Real Catholic. A studied Catholic. He will still think you're inferior in a lesser evil way, but he will be forced by his God to respect the rules he is too stupid to understand himself and at least skim the idea that it might be his own inferiority causing the problem.

It affects everyone here. Jow Forums always had idiots leaking in from Jow Forums posting garbage threads and it’s gotten worse over the years.
it used to be s/adv/irgins being sad and they’re aggressively mutating into angry goop.

maybe he's gay for dudes and the two of you were actually never in a relationship

Wanna know something about women that men are incapable of doing? Women are capable of orgasming without a "cooldown" period meaning they can get back-to-back orgasms without having to recuperate before a second round like men. And as long as a women doesn't get pregnant, they can continue to have as much sex as they want, even continue to do so months into their pregnancy. Humans are fully capable for being degenerates, regardless of sex.

Here's an excerpt from the study and a link, "Women do not experience a refractory period, and they are capable of reaching orgasm from anywhere during resolution. Women have the potential to have multiple orgasms," web.archive.org/web/20110725051823/http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/article/the-sexual-response-cycle

Oh. Yeah. Orgasms. Some muscle spasms that cause pleasure.
Cool hedonism brain. Not needed for achieving reproduction. I know you can't conceive of caring about that though. You fuck. You get your cummies. You're good. Women fuck then the party gets started. But you can't come conceive of anything greater than fuck pleasure. Because you can't conceive.

I'm one of the girls that came into the thread, you retard. Hedonism is what you're getting nowadays. Women aren't perpetually doomed to be breeding slaves for the big, spooky, monster men. You talk like the damn incels on this website. Go outside

"Breeding slaves"
What about saying "I willingly choose to have sex with a man and get pregnant now" is a "slave"? If anything you're a "slave to biology" but you're just as much a slave to catching a cold or getting old or getting a tan as you are a slave to getting pregnant. You can opt out of your own will with no assistance. You are responsible for your own life.
Are you not perpetually doomed to a life of being medicated to facilitate the male demand for consequence free sex? A slave to a foreign man while he profits off your lifetime subscription to his company?
Why? Because you don't look him in the eye? Because you don't want to be responsible for your self?

This really doesn't refute anything in the post you responded to and I'm astounded you're actually engaging in this convo.

Hey, why did you bother to make this thread? I was going to type up something you weren't going to bother to actually read, but I got bored halfway typing. Does this excite you or are you just bored this summer?

It's a good exercise in my understanding of a situation.

In reality I am not a lesbian nor confused about it. The other opinions are valid in a chaotic disjointed way. This thread helped me piece them together. I had a good conversation with my bf about the negative impact of this "women want sex the same way men do cus they're equal" has had on women and humans overall, as well as specific incidents between us. He is a lovely boy trying to become a good catholic. I am by no means a lesbian although people did insist this because I refused to become a whore. I will marry him one day. I will never know anyone but him.

whats ur fav movie?

You could fuck him with a strap-on

Christ. Please break up with the guy. Stop putting him through this, he doesn't deserve it. Find some little girl to fondle and let you and him be happy.

Cat Soup or Angel's Egg.

That would not be kind to him.

Nah, we're gonna get married, fuck a few times, buy some land, have some kids, adopt a few more, and be quite content. He needs to grow up more first though. So do I. But understanding our sexual natures are different and that it is cruel to try to force me to become a man is part of that.

You're dooming him to a life with a shit wife who doesn't want to fuck, and suck up his wallet for land and kids. Go you. I think it's very clear who needs to grow up here. The only way this could be partway forgivable is that you're making a decent amount of money to contribute, but I doubt it. I hesitate to pay credence to your judgement that he needs to "grow up more" while you're the one talking about him like he's just a walking sperm-bank with a wallet. Hilarious considering you're the one bitching about how men are awful, while managing to utterly encapsulate the shitty ball-breaker wife stereotype.

I make more money than him but with the direction our career paths are going money is not a significant concern. I am a skilled person. I have no problems finding good work. See earlier post where I said I'd let him be a house husband if he wanted. I don't think that is good for him in terms of his sense of self worth though. If he reached a level he could take over entirely and requested I stay home, I would do so. I would also allow him to do so if it were the best choice. I have loaned him thousands of dollars. He has always respectfully paid it back.

You are angry because you can't force women to want to fuck you. Cry harder. Women still won't magically pulse their leutenizing hormones at the same rate men do. It is your responsibility to control your own self. Calling someone names when they don't give you what you want is childish. Grow up or become a rapist. Your choice.

how i get gf like u?

Don't push women into sex and don't date a woman who wants you to push her into sex.
If you can't control that part of yourself yet, idk. I do not have problems with lust. Get some help you fucking pervert.

But most girls i meet want sex :(
when i Dont make a move sexually they assume im gay.
fuck society man

Back in the day a post like this would be called a 'troll line', because everybody above it got trolled.

I feel like you're exaggerating and no girl has ever actually said "wow you're gay i hate you bye".

If they want sex idk you're looking somewhere wrong or seeking that shit. Figure out why that's happening. I know loads of girls uninterested in sex. Most of them are introverted girls that casually played video games growing up, probably played neopets if they're over 22 today, and draw animals with some respectable ability. If they accidentally fell into Tumblr along the way, expose them to some TERF shit to bring some logic back to their brain.
Avoid non virgins. Sounds incel but true. At best one weird relationship that was probably "abusive" where they had sex. If they didn't have sex it doesn't really count. Sex includes sexual contact of any kind. If she's sent nudes around toss her.

Most likely they will either under or over eat while young and balance out in their 20s. So either twiggies that will eat up later or kind of chubby babyfat mode that gets disposed before sex years.

If they don't read they're also trash. If you don't read you're trash and you deserve nothing.

thanks for help!
>If they want sex idk you're looking somewhere wrong or seeking that shit.
i made mistake of trying online dating

Also they might be horse girls. But the horse girls are the best ones.

You will never find these in the "my parents have lots of money and bought me a horse and I covered it in rhinestones and pink leather" horse girls though. Do not confuse them.

You know, theres more to a relationship than just sex.

All those sites will either be whores or the aforementioned girls going through a psychological breakdown. You won't tell them apart for a while.

You'll just run into these girls somewhere randomly. They won't be looking for you. They'll probably think you're kind of gross sometimes because you're a weird horny pervert. Little kid me beat up boys for funsies.

Read the whole thread.
That was my whole point. Y'all boys are the fucked ones that think that's true.

Like the lady from before Said, you are the one fucked in the Head by those "us vs. Them" cliches

PS: Just had to stay It again because i take offense to it

PS2: i Hope you find happiness, love or something along those Lines :)

>Most likely they will either under or over eat while young and balance out in their 20s. So either twiggies that will eat up later or kind of chubby babyfat mode that gets disposed before sex years

Also regarding this.
Learn to cook and about nutrition together. Learn to incorporate healthy reasonable amounts of exercise into your life together.

The eating problems are a result of current problems. Very few children actually being raised. No one thinks about feeding them. They eat what they want but they're kids so obviously they're stupid and starve themselves or end up gross little fat monsters. Parents are supposed to watch that shit. I control what my dog eats. It's my job.

If you want healthy kids she needs to be healthy first. If you want a healthy mind (her too) you also need to be healthy. If youre a gross malnutritioned piece of shit you aren't ready to take care of anyone else. You guys can help each other but you're adults so it's fine. If you're not ready to take care of a kid though, don't fuck. Grow up. Control your stupid dick. It's an exercise.

You're babbling unrelated nonsense. I can't even reply to it.

I said read the thread. Do that.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. I have to go to bed now.

Ok then marry him retard.

You are literally afraid of men, and get high of off men being submissive to you, but it doesn't stop there. You are so far up your own ass you think you are some great person. because of how "smart" you are and how "idiotic" he is. You think he should be grateful just to be with you. Its kind of sickening really. Seek help.

>You are literally afraid of men, and get high of off men being submissive to you

Men do this to women. Grow up. Take your hand off your dick and stop insisting a vagina is a penis. Stop getting high off women being submissive to you.

I wish to have a beautiful partnership in which neither is competing with the other. I acknowledged the evil drive to competition and jealousy two years ago.

...So someone else told you that you are lesbian, and you figured that they must be right?

yeah you're pretty crazy

honestly, this.

not because of the homosexuality. the homosexuality here is just a statement of your willingness to be the dominant power in a relationship, where the dominance thing is well, quite bad as for a girl from psychologic standpoint.

Whatever you think of your orientation, don't fcking try to say anything like
>'I've never really found you attractive sexually
as suggested. Just say the damn truth, that you are lesbian. If I were that guy, I'd prefer to hear the truth rather than a sentence that would just tear apart my confidence and ego.

basically said with those words
>Worst over, you talk about wanting to be the masculine one, but still obsess like a girl about the fallout and let others define what and who you are. Rip off the bandaid already.

Would keep with the thread more if not those arguments rather than discussion later on. Have fun

Read the thread.
Other people are deluded. Especially men
They think it's womens fault for not being uwu subby subby fuck slaves. Haha. So insecure and sinful they think they need to have submissive wives to dominant to feed their sexual sin. Stupid. You lack self control and blame your mom. Youve convinced millions of lost women of a lie and raped them via deception.
Disgusting. Pathetic. Go pressure your gf into castrating herself for your pleasure. Eat more donuts. Play more video games. Be a sheep while insisting your penis makes you somehow special and exempt; a lion, not a sheep! Lions are cool! Pathetic little insecure boy can't handle the idea of not being cool, of not beating everyone else. Pathetic. Selfish. Small minded. Incapable of seeing the whole universe. Only capable of seeing cummies.

Dominance is in no way inherently bad for a girl. This is a lie you believe.
Dominance without equal submission is imbalanced.
Men shriek they do not need submission so they do not have to face their own problems, and propogated a lie to dump those problems on women and insist they are inherently subordinate and weak.
See: Adam blames Eve. See, this was not so in the begining; this idea is sin, is evil.

>Still think like a girl
"Like a girl. Still your fault. Not mine. girls bad. Not me. Look at this woman. Her fault. Not my fault I cut out my soul."
Retard. Men do what is described in droves. A rare lesbian might. Look at your own self. You're disgusting and cruel to people. Fix it.

Oh wow imagine being so mentally ill that you think sex is evil. Welcome to real fucking life dumbass. People like having sex and they arent fucked up because of it, youre fucked up because you dont want it. Your mental gymnastics dont change that fact unless you are suggesting the whole human race is wrong and you are right. Not to mention the variety of other intelligent species (ie; dolphins) that have sex purely for pleasure and not for reproduction purposes - are they evil too?

And fyi, youre dating a total pussy nice guy. Hes only “dating” you because he has no confidence and is holding out with the mistaken idea that one day youll stop being a loon and put out. Obviously you wont, so let the fucking poor dude go. No one cares about your justifications or reasoning, you are incompatible with him. Saying it would be mean to break up with him only shows youre a twisted narcissist who only cares about their own ends. You know you wont be able to find another guy who puts up with your dumb shit, THATS why you torture the poor fellow.

Sex is not evil.
Sex creates children.
Children are not evil.
Sex is not evil.

What people use sex for now is evil. Hookup culture is evil. Using and abusing each other with no purpose is evil. Forcing each other into castration and mutilation and drugging to facilitate consequence free(it's not) culture within a marriage is evil. You disrespect your wife's body.

I won't find another guy who has the humility to accept this though. I admire this man so much for his souls orientation/directions; the drive to fix this. It is beautiful even if he relapses into a coward who can't control himself and hurts me as a result sometimes. He is not stagnate like you. He does not make excuses like you. He is abandoning his boyhood unlike you.