Give me one reason why this is too much to ask!

> Kind and decent (ex. doesn't cuss around kids and isn't vulgar) will go to church with me
>Healthy, that doesn't mean 100lb model, it means active and eats carbs in moderation
>Smart or at least has some ambition to learn and develop their person
>Likes me for me and not my achievement

Congrats you top choices are either adventurous wholesome woman in her 30's or healed and knowledged single mom who was in abusive relationship years prior to meeting you.

Go get em tiger.

Cringe

Ur cringe.

>women are trash
lol okay. good luck with that healthy, mature mindset :)

>You are too picky and judgemental of women
I only judged my brothers gf because they are disrespectful to my family, and for that I also disrespect them. They are also disrespectful to themselves by sleeping around.

>Honestly kind of you have to be an idiot to believe in God these days lol, sorry

These days? As if people haven't had little faith in God for centuries before this. I think because there are more idiots in the present they simply cannot interpret scripture, and instead believe in politically driven scientific studies.

God is supposed to be an undefinable entity which is why calling him and entity is even a misclassification. You're not going to prove or disprove him, I don't believe that science has done that nor has it disproven the bible, but instead made the events appear very unlikely, events which only make sense with God, and a God who only makes sense with recorded history. I believe the story of the fallen angels is the greatest indicator that things are not cut and dry like some may want you to believe.

Nihilism is a defense mechanism toward guilt

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At 24 you might be SOL
Girls with the qualities you're looking for usually have a future spouse lined up by the time they're out of college.
I'd suggest looking for a girl in a church choir or volunteering at a soup kitchen, but you'll either get a Jesus freak or someone with a very low sex drive, most likely both.

Not saying either of those are inherently downsides, but you should consider if that's something you would be okay with

Yeah, I guess I would be willing to compromise, but I wouldn't want a girl who wants to settle down to a degree that we never even leave her or my hometown you know?

I would at least want a girl who was willing to learn, and develop. Maybe not try to become female elon musk, just at least don't literally have finding a guy to settle down be their end goal. Maybe do something with that guy that is life altering.

I'll take the women in her thirties, but I believe to become a mother without a father is such a toll on a womans mental health that she could never satisfy condition number 3

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yeah I'm okay with low sex drive, I myself do not have a huge sex drive since I stopped watching porn after HS believe it or not.

I do volunteer at soup kitchen. Only saw some girls my age (20-22) who after talking with them revealed that they were only doing it for a community college class
which is fine, but they also said and I quote "I don't actually give a fuck about poor people"

Your standards are alright at a first glance, but as superficial as they can be. People aren't 4 bullet points personalities, so the question is what compromises are you willing to make. Because even if those 4 points are met, what if the girl has some other negative traits. How do you weight that?

Good luck user I believe in you. I disagree with your statement on your 3rd conditions and single mothers but you must really know people a lot more then I do and have a social life so you just know everything!

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you're absolutely right, people do have their negative traits, I personally see things like excessive vanity (makeup tatoos piercings expensive clothing) is a negative trait, but I am willing to put up with it.

I also realize that women are generally more emotional, and require more attention than I require myself. I am willing to (I am inexperienced in this, but I will do my damn best) be supportive and console this girl if she requires a lot of attention.

I will take a girl who is not in perfect health, but I must draw the line at a girl who wants to sit and watch TV all day. I will admit I was like this, and in that period of time where I stayed inside doing nothing with my life all summer, I did not believe I deserved a girlfriend and I still believe that.

I will take a girl who doesn't have the best aptitude when it comes to learning, but I draw the line when it comes to being lazy and being so closed minded that learning new things is not even considered, or having a meaningful conversation is too much effort when instead she can just talk about TV.

I will take a girl who is attracted to my achievement, but as long as she can tell me that there is something about me worth hanging onto should all of my wealth and connections disappear (assuming its not due to me becoming a complete dick)

Lastly, I think I must not compromise on the kind character trait at all. I love people who are respectful and I respect them, there are women I've met who are the most beautiful people ever simply because of how they treat people, not because of how they look. I am very attracted to kindness and being genuine. I strive for this, and I will not accept a girl who is kind in public only.
Everyone has their moments and I will understand, but being inconsiderate is the biggest red flag to me

nigga are you chad tho? having standards as a man is a no no if you look shit
so quit coping and take what you can get or you will die alone faggot

You need to find a woman with a few of those qualities and then instill the other ones in her. Its a gamble but it payed off for me.

a'ight cool but dude where the FUCK is my car?

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sarcasm? I can't tell.

The stereotype comes from single mothers I've seen who have abused their children, and I've had many friends who's moms became incredibly self absorbed after divorce likely from the trauma they experienced. I don't think I can do that

Also there might be something to be said for a girl who is still single by 30, if nobody else will take her you have to ask what might be wrong with her that you're not seeing?

I think the same can be said for guys who are single by thirty, but in a world where men ask women out, and the opposite is rare. being a single male at 30 speaks more about your confidence rather than your likability. That's not to say there aren't weird guys who are single at 30, I'm just saying they're much more interspersed with guys who have kept themselves single by lack of courage.

yeah, I definitley believe this, which qualities do you think are easiest to instill in a woman?

Also remember I am 24, and at 24 brain development in women is nearing it's end, I believe this really determines which archetype they will fall into for the rest of their life.

genuine change becomes very hard

I am not a chad by any means.

I think "chad" is for women who are attractive and by being attractive become conscious of their value by being treated like queens by other guys.

These girl choose the best surface level guy, the guy with looks above all else.

other girls, or pretty girls who go unnoticed are less confident, and do not hold men to such uncontrollable standards such as perfect facial structure. They do to some degree require some level of attractiveness

I think we come from maybe different economic backgrounds or different societal norms then.

I have ran into a good number of women in my town that found themselves during there desperation and strive to grow and better themselves, including expanding there knowledge of the world. Your experience sounds awful and I don't blame you for having your disposition on that then. I am not sure which part of the world you are living in but abuse is awful thing and I agree with your intolerance toward it.

Teaching her discipline through diet and and exercise may be the easiest. Basically brainwash her to what you want with continuous steering toward the values you desire. If shes overweight, consistently mention that other women her size are fat, etc. It takes time.

I think the problem here is that you've got a very specific set of standards that is going to require work on your part to find.
>healthy
Not a big issue, but it does limit the field.
>kind and decent
Also not that hard but, again, you're shrinking your pool of potential partners.
>smart/ambitious
Now you're running into the first real gate. You want a girl who is ambitious, that probably means career oriented today, and in turn that means someone who is likely to have gone to college and at least dabbled in the lifestyle. Thats ESPECIALLY true if she cares enough about her appearance and body to fit your definition of healthy.
>likes me for me and not my achievement
Ok, thats going to narrow the field a little, but not much. If you're already looking for ambitious girls, your achievement is probably a minimum standard for them, not a goal in itself. Like attracts like and all.
>church
And theres your biggest hurdle. Church attendance is at a historic low. Everything else you want isn't a big ask especially if you're actually successful, but this one is. That you want it early in the relationship makes it a hard proposition.

Your best bet is to look for a well-heeled congregation (maybe a mega church) and become a part of their community. You want a place thats likely to attract the kinds of women you're interested in, that means conservative young professionals and the monied. You want a church that appeals to type A personalities because that personality is going to cover most of what you're looking for. Attend their singles meetings, be the guy the old ladies want to introduce their granddaughters to. Become a name.

Stop looking for the girl you want in the world and go to where the girl you want is likely to be found.

I live in the United States. My family was pretty poor.

Honestly the nicest girls I've met were the ones from middle class families who never had to see anything awful this world has to offer and also weren't spoiled by their parents.
Idk if that's good or bad, but those girls were very sweet, just sort of oblivious ot other people's problems.

Why is going to church important you can be Christian without church which is full of snobs and is the biggest waste of time

>1.) Kind and decent (ex. doesn't cuss around kids and isn't vulgar) will go to church with me
Women are only kind to the degree it benefits them, this is how they've evolved. As long as you're desirable and of high value to them, they will be kind to you, or really whatever you want.
>2.) Healthy, that doesn't mean 100lb model, it means active and eats carbs in moderation
You either go out and talk to girls who are like this already, or you get a girl who is invested in you to take care of herself better. If you're good enough at this you don't even need to be fit yourself but that takes inner discipline and dedication to changing yourself that I doubt you're capable of if you're desperate enough to be begging on one of the shittiest boards of Jow Forums.
>3.) Smart or at least has some ambition to learn and develop their person
Most women aren't smart no matter what the female empowerment age tells you, even the smart ones aren't incredibly ambitious, that's how women are. If you want one that is you need to travel in circles with these smart women, and try to court them, but again, you need to better yourself to be able to talk to these women, internally is the most important. If you think like a loser, which you do, you will always be a loser.
>4.) Likes me for me and not my achievement
Will never happen, women aren't programmed like that, they go for assets as an instinctual thing. The only liking you for who you are meme is is for people who know how to get a girl invested in him, like those thugs who beat them, guys like Leo Dicaprio, sauve zumba instructors, or people with generally high self worth. ABeing here begging for a girl who won't come ain't changing anything. To me you come across as a sad sack lump and an excuse for a human being who is always wishy washy and passive about everything, as is expected of a generation raised wrong on purpose.

You cannot get what you want by being passive, you're the faulty core of this.

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yeah, I think I messed up saying ambition, and instead should have said she at least allows for my own ambition to a degree. it's totally understandable if she doesn't want to be with a guy who wants to run for mayor, but maybe a guy who wants to move to another state or even possibly country for another job offer.

I mean willing to go to church, even if she never attended before. Willing to try it at least and well figure it out from there.
So basically not a girl who is going to laugh at the idea because her biology teacher told her God's not real and nothing in life matters

The church is referring to the gathering of people

my church is in the ghetto and most of who goes there are drug addicts, and ex convicts.

They are the people I care about most. Not because I think they learned their lesson by having tough times and addiction, but because if they're with us at church, then they're making an effort regardless of how small that effort may be

My church doesn't have a ton of money we rent a building that used to be a bar that went out of business and we try to feed everyone there. It's really something that changes you, and I wouldn't give it up for anything.

I've learned more from the people there than anyone could predict in a place full of outcasts in society.

I get what you're saying about church, but it's just not how it is for me.

do you think if I am in really good physical shape that girls will be willing to exercise to keep up with me?

I just want a gf who is willing to go on hikes, and bike rides like you sometimes see those old couples doing. And isn't just a couch potato.

I will take a girl who isn't in great shape as long as she's willing or wants to get fit, and I will stick by her the whole time.

Pardon my spelling errors by the way, I work two jobs and my sleep schedule is essentially non-existent so I make grammatical errors often these days.

I myself grew up in a meth town on the west coast.

Our economic situation is doing better these days but we are still getting there. Still live here. I am not sure what else could be the case then, would you consider where you live in a conservative town or more liberal? I have noticed the more liberal a person is growing up the less willing they are to look inwards for growth.

Regardless, you can have standards and I think more people do these days. However I also wanna let you know that when it comes to women everything is hypothetical until your down in the nitty gritty. The most important part about looking for a person is that you take care of yourself so you can be the best you can be for the other person, I think finding a woman who follows that same standard is something to look for and is very possible to do. Unfortunately it is easier to find shitty social circles outside of decent ones so good luck friend.

If you're looking for a girl open to church early in a relationship you need to find a girl already attending church. Most folks aren't going to be interested and you're wasting your time if this is a deal breaker.

know from experience?

>not chad
>wants top tier women

The women you're describing are marrying millionaires and co. Lower your standards or embrace the bachelor life. Consider yourself lucky if you get even 1 attribute from your list.

>do you think if I am in really good physical shape that girls will be willing to exercise to keep up with me?
100% for a while, but once attraction fades she will get complacent and fat, again if you cannot get the girls to want you without your body then it's gonna be a problem when you do. You should lift anyway to look good for internal strength and endorphins since you clearly need them.
>I will take a girl who isn't in great shape as long as she's willing or wants to get fit, and I will stick by her the whole time.
Women want to wait at the finish line and fuck the winners, when you take a loser girl, who could still get a happily ever after anyway, and make her fit without being a man that can keep her attraction, she will use you as a support and then once she loses the weight she will not be used to the attention of alpha men and beta men she has comparable to what she was. So what happens is the standard beta cuck shit, where she might insist you "open the relationship" but really she's looking to safely jump ship. It again comes down to how do YOU attract and keep women. There's a lot of "game" websites, and pick up shit stuff that lightly touch on it, but you're gonna have to figure out the parts that corraborate enough to be sensical, what it comes down to in the end is this YOU need to be worth soemthing for them to find you wrothwhile. It doesn't matter if it's something just for you, it's inner value, that confidence, sure you can not be confident in yourself, but you're going to see women immediately start to disrespect you when you let them in.

You have to understand honor, commitment, chivalry, and love are things experienced by men, women will manipulate you with these things because they don't understand them, it's why they don't understand movies about self sacrifice because they do not understand them.

When they tell you men should "show their feminine sides" more, they're basically saying to filter yourself out.

>You should lift anyway to look good for internal strength and endorphins since you clearly need them.
This is the best advice anyone in the thread has given. Just fucking lift, OP. Not just for girls, but for yourself.

Not personally because church isn't my thing, but one of my fraternity brothers had a hell of a time after college and my best friend's wife is currently discovering how bad assuming someone will want to go to church eventually is for a relationship.

Its like when someone goes into a relationship thinking they can change their partner. Some things don't change. If you want a partner who isn't into drugs you need to date people who aren't into drugs, not try to sober someone up. If you want someone into church you need to date someone who is already a regular attendee. Thats especially true for church because its kind of a specialty item at this point.

You waiting until marriage, user? You should if you're not already. It's good in its own right and it'll definitely narrow your pool to those who are most worth it.

>you have to be an idiot to believe in god
The insufferable thing about leftists and especially fedora-tippers is that they're just as dogmatic (maybe more so) as the religious while pretending otherwise.
I'm not religious myself, but it's a very obvious pattern among people who claim to reject religion that they're really just trying to reject morality.

He's right. Men are trash too.

Sounds like your blaming the world for your personal problems.

>Likes me for me and not my achievement
You are your actions, for good, for ill.

Cringe.

>BMI above 26 indicates a lazy mentality and I would rather not risk it

It's funny how you ugly guys make excuses. Just own it. You are ugly and also superficial, don't try to hide it ffs!

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don't make a critria and try and find a woman that fits it. women don't work like that, relationships don't work like that you are interacting with a human being at an emotional level, not buying a car. just talk to women with an open mind. one bori date or two won't kill you.
Also generalizing half the population will get you nowhere in life.

>4.) Likes me for me and not my achievement
>imfuckingplying you are separate from your achievements
If you had ever achieved anything in your life, you would probably understand this already.
PROTIP: Your flaws also aren't external to you.

1. no women is decent, theyll go to church with you
2. lots of them are healthy
3. lol
4. lol

you are searching for something that doesnt exist
they dont love you as your mother, they love you for being useful, for being handsome, for being wealthy, funny, big dicked, or something

they are raised to be the most selfish ppl on earth, and you expect them to develop into angels with the heart of gold

ill give you a realistic list to look for

1. not mean on purpose most of the time (already a very hard task)
2. healthy and no STDs
3. clever enough to not hurt herself or get in trouble
4. likes you enough for whatever reason to control her insanity

It's not too much if you also meet all those criteria, though we live in a physically unhealthy and also atheistic age, so you'll have to wait because what you're after is low in supply

based

i fit all of your criteria except the fourth one (since i don't know you) but i'm too ugly and not ready for a relationship (i have a low self esteem)
i hope you will find your dream girl op , we do exist

Christianity is dying. That's your biggest hurdle. There are plenty of kind and smart women out there, the problem is just finding one of those with the added stipulations that she goes to church and is single. Definitely your best bet is to get to know the women in your age group in your church. Maybe try multiple churches of your religion if you can't find a suitable partner at yours.

You CAN be smart and religious, but it's pretty rare and you're usually taught to shut your brain off whenever you encounter something that has even a .00001% chance of threatening your indoctrination, err, sorry, I mean faith.

My gf fits all 4 points for me... But she is also an emotionless monolith that swings between depression and maniac outbursts. Very healthy otherwise, when she doesn't try to see how many bones she'd break from jumping off the 3rd floor. Total waifu up your alley if you want OP.

Wahmen are perfect angels who should run the country despite their inability to choose what they want to fucking eat and anyone who says otherwise is just an incel.

Hmm, this poster definitely couldn't be an incel, could he?
You do get points for not openly fapping to pictures of a murdered girl and recording it to send to her mother, though.

>you're usually taught to shut your brain off whenever you encounter something that has even a .00001% chance of threatening your indoctrination
Say anything remotely "problematic" near leftists (supported by evidence, of course) and keep this in mind while you do it.

Are you right wing or left?

Say anything even mildly critical of God-Emperor Trump near right-wingers and keep this in mind while you do it.

Trump is perfect.

Women however are ok to shit on.

Your point, lefty?
Mine was that it's pointless mental masturbation to pretend that dogmatic thinking is synonymous with religion or religious morality.