How much does getting fit improves your looks in a 10 scale number?

For me it's finding the time and place to interact with women.
It is more about money and looks right?

you dont need personality for tinder.

Where did I say anything about personality?

Stop misusing the word "science". There is nothing scientific about incelism. It's all religion and pseudoscience.

You absolutely do. You only have a few lines of messaging to get and keep a girl's interest.

personality is irrelevant if you're good lookim.

good lookim autismos looks cute to women while aggressive and cool incels look creepy.

personality is the ultimate cope.

I've gotten abs before when I worked construction. My body fat levels were very low and I was exerting myself for probably 25 hours a week. My girlfriend noticed. Started touching my arms. Staring at me.

So yeah. A lot.

Always been skinny or otter. Highest body fat percent is what I'm at right now (12%). Always worked on strength before, but working on bulking for bodybuilding right now.

Anyway, I don't respect fat people or slobs. At all. If you can't present yourself right, don't even show up.

Yeah you do.
For Tinder you need a good looking selfie, plus several pictures of you with friends and engaged in hobbies.

Women are highly tuned a man's to social standing/prowess and if they can't see straight away that you're at least somewhat wealthy and have a robust friend group then they wont give you the time of day.
Would your average woman want anything to do with a rat-man that has poverty-abs from spending his foodstamps on meth? Fuck no.

there's cases where good looking homeless guys or criminals get free money from women or jobs simply because they're good looking.

some guy in jail was able to be free because women kickstarted his fine.

so yeah, women don't care if you have money.

Jesus dude
>Poverty abs
sorry to disappoint you ladies

OP the answer is 10. Going from wimpy or fat to having a man's body is night and day (as long as you aren't covered and pimples. Also, get fucking contacts, four eyes)

Mmm, I knew a guy that was a very attractive man, but total autist. He had a lot of girls constantly throwing themselves at him, but he was too dumb to capitalize on it. He had a girl IN BED WITH HIM once and didn't fuck her or even touch the titty, she complained to me and another friend about it "what's wrong with him?"

Still, the looks got her there. If you're anything... Even slightly less autist than that, being super fit will help.

> He had a girl IN BED WITH HIM once and didn't fuck her or even touch the titty,
sounds like me....

Looks are irrelevant on tinder once you start messaging. If you are a spergy autist she will quickly unmatch you. Why are you lying, incel?

you can't even message a girl on tinder if you're not good looking faggot.

enjoy wasting your time swapping right hundreds of time with your personality and getting no matches.

lmao.

He said "once you start messaging".
Looks open the door, messaging is the first step towards it.

tell me how many girls on tinder you message for their personality, lmao.

Stupid or lying? You can never tell with underaged incels like you. Usually you are both though.

so you message ugly girls on tinder and ignore the good looking ones because you care more about the personality?

Why are you purposely distorting what people are saying to autistically bitch about personality

>OP ask about looks
>but muh personality
boring cope.

Because he's an incel. It's what his religion tells him to do.

Try again. We’re specifically taking about messaging girls. Stop using “muh personality” to derail the thread.

>OP literally ask about how much getting fit helps with looks
>muh personality
maybe learn to read, faggot?

Being fat or even just overweight lowers your attractiveness so fucking much. If you can obtain low body fat while still keeping some muscle you will gain the attention of the majority of the opposite sex.

its hard to quantify overall, but if you aren't already getting fit is hands down the single best thing you can do if you want to do better with women. lifting weights doesn't cure autism but the benefits of being healthy, confident in your looks, a higher sex drive, and so on, bleed into so many different faucets of your life. obviously you are going to need to do more than just be fit and be interesting and whatnot, but really being fit is vital.

So fuckin much. I went from average to getting a fuckton of attention from most girls by going gym 3hr/ day for 6 months. They like to eye me up heaps. Im not even that fit, currently 5”11’, 175 pounds, 16% bodyfat and dropping to single digit bodyfat %. Its fkn insane how much of a difference it makes. The ball is now in my court.

Literally all true.

>3hr/ day for 6 months
Isn't that overworking yourself by an insane amount?
By all metrics I've ever heard, your body should have been too fatigued to build muscle effectively.

Nah bro, 3 day split means 48hrs recovery time. I go either 3 or 4 day split depending on how cooked my legs are. Overtraining is meme outside of the 48 to 72 hour recovery time requirement. Ive never met anyone who trains too much. Vast majority of people dont train intense. I made big boy gainz. I was also doing 20hr/ week of cardio for most of that 6 months.

probably zoomer workout; 2/3 of the time on their phone, the rest on retarded exercises no experienced bodybuilder would recommend

it depends. if you have a good face losing fat will increase it a few points. gaining muscle and abs will increase it a couple points. max 5 points total. the rest can be made up with clout, celebrity status and money

I literally out grew my old gym in the space of 6 months, because their dumbbells maxed out at 85 pounds and their barbell at 400pounds. Changed gyms. Currently at a world class gym with better equipment and world class bodybuilders. Go project elsewhere.

okay "Gym-bruh" you can do whatever you want, however no one should expect to waste so much time for bodybuilding or fitness unless one has nothing else to do. For a good body, 3 times a week for 1-2 hours is unironically sufficient

Sufficient is not what im after. Mediocre might be okay for you, but not for me. We have different standards. Thats okay, Ill do as i please.

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If you are somewhat above average attractive but very fat you are a 5. You can get 1 for getting healthy BMI and 1 more for getting the optimal trained body for you (built, athletic, strongman, or just lean af).

Most will max out at 7, 8+ is genetic.

It's not like this 100% subjectivity is part of it, everyone has different tastes on people but I'd say looking healthy/being confident is definitely attractive for most women to some extent. I grew up being a shy fatty nerdy kid and for 16 years no girl really gave a shit about my existance.

>I grew up being a shy fatty nerdy kid and for 16 years no girl really gave a shit about my existance.
Are you saying girls ignored you until you were 16?
That's normal.

Or are you talking like, starting from the point it would become normal, after which you'd be ~30 years old?

literally all advice for men with women should begin with hitting the gym consistently for 3-6 months. when i first started going i noticed major differences at even just two months. biggest benefit was knowing i looked good, made me more relaxed and secured, did better with girls as a result

You cant be above average attractive as a guy AND be very fat, and healthy BMI/body type gives your more points than that. Agree that being 8+ is a combination of genetics, luck, and some charisma.

Probably a 1-2 point increase. You can only do so much

>You cant be above average attractive as a guy AND be very fat

Yeah I only meant in terms of innate potential.

Oh I see. I agree with your comment then.

>How much does getting fit improves your looks in a 10 scale number?
Is water wet?

I usually get a sufficient number of matches (5/day), however I’m having a hard time initiating conversations. Usually it goes something like:
>me: hey, how’s your summer going?
>her: good wbu
>me: pretty good, just enjoying my day off. What kind of stuff are you looking for on here?

After that she never responds. Am I seriously fucking up somehow?

ah-bloo-bloo

If you out-grew 85lb dumbbells and 400lb barbells within 6 months then you unironically have pretty high tier strength genetics.

Yes because that is boring and inassertive.

I'm saying I went through high school without any girl noticing me. Everyone was hooking up and shit, everybody was getting asked on dates getting invitations to parties etc while I was nonexistant and I certainly didn't get any rando girl come up to me to just small talk or whatever then after I lost all the extra weight and after I started taking care about my appearance girls would just randomly start talking to me anywhere. I would often just sperg out at the beginning. It took me quite some time getting used to any kind of attention.

Probably subjective, and it's hard to give yourself an objective number because tastes differ. I went from 4/10 to 6/10. Maybe 7 or 8 if I put in some effort with hair styling, dropping the glasses, etc.
You shouldn't expect wonders but it definitely does something. And the confidence you'll gain will make you feel great.

>after I started taking care about my appearance girls would just randomly start talking to me anywhere. I would often just sperg out at the beginning. It took me quite some time getting used to any kind of attention.
kek 100% the exact same thing. it was like almost happened overnight. i mean it's great but i sure didn't know how to handle myself at first. really was kinda like this:
youtu.be/cvhwMeHp1Yg