Why the rat uopia isn't the perfect portrait of the modern oversocialized world?

>Can someone explain to me why people don't make this obvious association? What am I missing?
Far-East Asian old cities are evidence that human animal can sustain high population numbers and densities as long as other fundamentals of society are functional.
Feminist social policies and tolerance of female promiscuity are causing the Mouse Utopia style symptoms in smaller population numbers and densities among humans today because tolerance of female promiscuity breaks the society structure/functionality of human animal.
Mice on the other and are not a society animal.
Mouse Utopia is thus dangerously similar and misleading experiment.
Large population of mice behaves in similar manner than large population of human with society functionality broken.
On the other hand, if one could genetically engineer slut shaming instinct and marriage institution to mice one might create a healthy mice hive, a society, superorganism of mice.

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>Far-East Asian
>functional

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Sustainable high population numbers for centuries in cities with big rivers running through them.

>Far-East Asian old cities are evidence that human animal can sustain high population numbers and densities as long as other fundamentals of society are functional.
Yeast people. Asian megacities are rat utopia in everything but physical extinction.

Stop referencing this meme like you have some in depth understanding of mammal social behavior because of it. They just put some animals in an unnatural situation and they acted weird.

I'll give you one difference: civilization. If rats were bred in the gradually-changing environment of nature -> mouse utopia for 10,000 years and also If rats were capable of human-level thought, the outcome would be completely different. If you want to understand more try reading actual stuff instead of one meme infographic.

It used to be, actually, and much like the fact of a small number of corporations owning the media, it was first brought up by leftists..
then promptly abandoned as a talking point since, y'know, leftism had metastasizing to do and leftists had to settle down a stop pretending they weren't the property of their elite masters.

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Was he ok?

While female sexuality is definitely at odds with civilization and maintaining a level of technology above late paleolithic, it is not the only component in the degeneracy of either mice or humans.
They are living in conditions that make many of their instincts outright dysfunctional, not just female sexuality. In fact male sexuality is too (although to a noticeably lesser degree) and has been known as such by all serious people since Plato at least.

They died not because of overcrowding but because of (((free))) resources.

Yang Gang BTFO

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You're talking like a meme. What's 'actual stuff'? Freud?
>reading actual stuff instead of one meme infographic.

>If rats were bred in the gradually-changing environment of nature -> mouse utopia for 10,000 years and also If rats were capable of human-level thought, the outcome would be completely different.

Our modern society changed extremely quickly. Perfect analogy. Your only argument is that if rats were humans the experiment wouldn't be the same. Wow... But the recent changes in our society are quite similar to the mouse experiment.

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>don't understand why the rat utopia experiment isn't used as an analogue to the behavior of people on the modern world. Can someone explain to me why people don't make this obvious association?
It is perfect
>What am I missing?
Jew factor

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Literally though. You cannot create the utopia the socialists preach of.

Because people are retarded and need people in "authority" to hand information to them in bread crumbs, and even then they don't actually understand it.

Shouldn't we be working on that then? This is not even popular here... look how many users here have no idea what this is all about.

>Correlation does not imply causation

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>look how many users here have no idea what this is all about.
Not surprising. Newfags flooded this place. But yes we should be working on it. Every single day.

This isn't just a data set you stupid spic.

make an argument or kys

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Rats are used to study chemical cause and effect NOT the psychology of humans. Final clinical trials are done on people.

>Rat's like to steal food from each other and don't suffer social ramifications doing so. I guess that means as I human I can steal without consequences.

See the problem there?

Wrong!

Every hear of clinical trials? People are uses for final stages of testing, not monkeys, not rats, but people.

This stupid nigger didn't even watch the video

For a large population to be sustainable, there must be a culture of cooperation and agreeableness. That is, homogeneity in thought. When varying cultures attempt to live together and the inevitable culture clash comes (if not guided correctly), then this cooperation and the like is diminished and we become the mice.

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You missed the point but ok

no, you make an argument yo fooking monkey, you just made a threat to shout "wew these rats where btfoed by a white guy, then we are the same"

>mexirat doesn't like the comparison

>Mouse Utopia is thus dangerously similar and misleading experiment.
Dangerously similar because what happend there has happened in post-modern hypersocialized cities here.

>Mice on the other and are not a society animal.
Don't mouses have colonies? And what leads you to think that we are more social than mouses? We used to live in small tribes/communities for the biggest part of our history. Big cities is such a new thing in human history.

>On the other hand, if one could genetically engineer slut shaming instinct and marriage institution to mice one might create a healthy mice hive, a society, superorganism of mice.
On the other hand, if the jews could remove slut shaming and marriage institution to the humans, one might creat a mouse utopia.

The reason rodents are used as modelsin medical testing is that their genetic, biological and behavior characteristics closely resemble those of humans. They are also cheap, small, easy to house, and easy to maintain.

>Don't mouses have colonies?
Yes. And rats are smart enough to know when one of them goes missing. People with pet rats observe the others being depressed when one dies. The other user is a dumb nigger

People are living in small personal cages called apartments, not in the single communal super-building.

It matters a lot in facts of personal space and personal protection.

Schopenhauer was right, life is meaningless without suffering.

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Nobody says the the experiment is perfect. But to a degree, very similar to human behavior. Don't you think?

Low quality mothers, rise of homosexual behavior, other sexual deviances, etc.

There's only 50k videos on youtube about it but it's not like I even argued this meme study. I just refuted some retard's understanding of clinical trials. Now I'm refuting you, and your sub-literate reading comprehension.

All of what you said op seems kind of pointless. not sure what the other anons have been saying, but this study came out a long time ago. made the guy who conducted it mildy famous. enough so that they took him seriously to the point of trying to see if any useful or valid comparisons could be found in american society and non were found. coincidences sure, but nothing of any real consequence or value.

That other user makes a good point. this study and it results are just a big, popular meme. one that you seem intent on finding any validation there might possibly be for it.

It is

>huemonkey gives half assed explanation of why would humans interact with other humans the same way rats interact with rats
>y-you dont like comparisons, too bad!

the moment i see rats behaving like humans i'll consider the rat-utopia experiment

You're too retarded to refute anyone

>but nothing of any real consequence or value.
Maximum jewden

>the moment i see rats behaving like humans
>when you btfo yourself but don't even realize it
Wew

Same

Yet here you are being refuted like a punk bitch. Go ahead, say some more useless screeching not related to the topic at hand.

>Very similiar
Not so much, but there are notable similarities, I agree. People in cities live in much more less extreme conditions than those rats.

Also, how does real rats don't suffer these levels of overpopulation in human cities nowadays? There's a shitton of them.

>Low quality mothers
They were always there, I don't think that the overall percentage of them had changed.
>rise of homosexual behavior
That was observed in rat experiment? I have heard about "homosexuality as natural population control mechanism" theory, but never red about it seriously, can you give some info?

>say some more useless screeching not related to the topic at hand.
You mean like this

It is actually the same
>rats building places where many rats live, although there is enoug nest building material everywhere
=
>san francsco, new york, dallas, etc

>rats not learning how to raise children because nobody around them raises children
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>fertility rate of whites, people living in community appartments in london until they are 35

>rats fighting over tiny bits of space
=
>hong kong not allowing tiny homes

>females becoming agressive, hurting their children
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>working women demanding equal rights, feminists, high T females

>native rats being used to respect the terretory of other rats, but fights start when rats from outside the experiment get introduced
=
>refugees in europe

>male rats just eating, sleeping and grooming theirselfes all the time (the beautiful ones)
=
>hipsters, basedboys, ...

Thanks for proving my point.

Your reading comprehension is shameful.

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oy vey...ive been found out...dis goy knows

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Because SOME humans have self-control, long term planning, capacity for abstraction, better organization skills, higher purposes in life,... SOME

>NO U DUM ME WIN

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Although I loathe your apparent political position, I find this analysis quite taking. Is there any literature which explores this explanation further?

>Is there any literature which explores this explanation further?
Fate of Empires is subtly related

That was observed in rat experiment?
Watch the video... youtube.com/watch?v=NgGLFozNM2o

You can have a completely homogeneous society go to shit if there's too many people all vying for the same ever decreasing pool of resources. All societies are only designed to support a finite amount of people, and once you reach and go past that point, you start getting the mouse experiment manifesting with people.

The entire experiment is flawed because animals react to instinct while humans make decisions based on their mental mind.

Yup, I pretty much did win. And yes, you are pretty dumb. But hey, at least your reading comprehension is getting better.

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>Can someone explain to me why people don't make this obvious association?
How new are you? This is something a lot of newfags on this board do as if they were the first to discover the Holy Grail. Just like you. The Calhoun experiment as Jow Forums discussion fodder is played out. How about you study the subject more comprehensively beyond watching one video about Calhoun's rats, maybe read some studies and books, and then get back here when you have something fresh and original to say.

Jews are

>decreasing pool of resources
They had unlimited resources

I thought food was made plentiful is rat utopia?

>he thinks he is consciously in control

>Yup, I pretty much did win.
Lol whatever you need to tell yourself bud

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They djd

cause an an ant will never accept that he's part of an anthill

It loosely applies, but people don't want to think about the decline of society so its buried

Because they are all rats and most humand aren't rats

Because rats aren’t that similar to humans and many medical studies that worked on rats don’t apply to humans at all.

>not taking fp to make a joke about jews being rats
Jow Forums has really died hasn't it

>useful or valid comparisons could be found in american society and non were found

The point of this thread is because I believe the comparisons are extremely valid. I see the results of the experiment on our modern society. The changes in the last decades are in the same direction we see the in the mouse utopia.
Also, I used to live in a small town and now I live in a big city, I see these distinctions between these two places too.

If you want to make a good point, please explain why the comparisons are not valid.

Absolutely, rat utopia experiment has faggots, feminism and WEEBs.

Loser.

humans are animals

99% of decisions are not made on the mind, but on the subconciousness. biologically human are also animals.
look at advertising, you do what is shown around you the most often. that is just how neural networks work.

many people who have divorced parents and never felt the love of a mother do not want any chldren themselves.

We sure are acting like the later stages of the rat Utopia experiment.

>now thays what i call retarded

It turns into trans, cannibals, and insanity

>the moment i see rats behaving like humans i'll consider the rat-utopia experiment
done.

Are you talking about archons? Reptilians, greys, AIs, and others control 95% (non-conscious) of the human mind.

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the only solution is: move to the country side where there is enough space and women cannot select between 1 million males and have to settle down.

Not only that, we have religion and civilization. BUT, the post-modernism is working to destroy all that. So that's why we are falling.

I hope he's alright

I realize you're a mental defective but try
Not to be so salty.

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Read the description of the 'power process' by Ted Kraczisnky

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Post modernism is exploiting a chink in our armor. There's a reason this pattern has been repeating since civilizations were a thing

I like you never bother refuting a point, you just screech autisicly. That's cruise control for competent.

>refuted

I don't think you know what that means buddy

I'm not saying anything, I'm asking. If you want to help give me things to read. Use your knowledge to refute, an teach me.
I hate this 'maybe read some studies and books'. KYS!

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Because they are mice and thus utterly incomparable to humans. I say this both sarcastically and seriously at the same time.

>utterly incomparable
read:

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it is interesting the Wikipedia page for this is so sparse

Its ~95% and we still got the 5% that animals lack. Did the rats understand they were in an experiment? I bet not but humans would. Humans who use that 5% don't overpopulate or destroy their environment. Chinks and niggers might. Women in Africa breed a lot of niglets and expect most to die off and only the strong to survive. Now is that not animal behavior? If all humans reacted to only instinct then the entire planet will be China/Africa.

>Humans who use that 5% don't overpopulate or destroy their environment.
You're retarded