I still can't believe that there are people on this website and board who think that communism or socialism can work

You're not being serious, right?
The entire history of the soviet union is basically a constant stream of political violence and crippling poverty.

Communism is Jewish and therefore inherently anti-White. Same goes for Capitalism.

>National Socialism is the only true choice for Whites.
Fucking retard lmao National Socialism is still socialism and therefore an ideology for bugman subhumans.

>Fucking retard lmao National Socialism is still socialism and therefore an ideology for bugman subhumans.
Imagine actually believing that. I guess we should all be Conservative Capitalists like you, right?

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Even thought this is obviously a shitty Russian slide thread, I don't believe anybody on Jow Forums has the first clue what either one of them is.

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>I don't believe anybody on Jow Forums has the first clue what either one of them is.
A Jewish created ideology meant to destroy and enslave the goyim.

I believe anarchism can work in a small community, large populations are a mistake, the trust between individuals is greater when you know them and when everyone has a gun

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>at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community
This is the main problem. You can't force someone's views to be in consonance with those of a community, because it's simply impossible to get those views in a concise way from literally millions of people. So, these views must be defined by a select group of central planners in positions of power, wehter or not they are actually those of the people.
As there are obviously going to be differing viewpoints (we are not chinks, after all), the socialist needs a secret police (like the gestapo or NKVD), to enforce the beliefs mandated by the state, in order to keep the individual's beliefs in line.
It's not a fucking coincidence that every socialist state had a governmental organ with the specific task of "neutralizing" political dissenters, right?
So my point is that, for socialism to work, people would have to function as a soulless hivemind, ergo stop being human.

Not really, it helped since it created the global market so countries can trade goods and workers but I wouldn't call it the only factor

>You can't force someone's views to be in consonance with those of a community, because it's simply impossible to get those views in a concise way from literally millions of people.
Funny how it worked pretty damn well in Nazi Germany.

>the socialist needs a secret police (like the gestapo or NKVD), to enforce the beliefs mandated by the state, in order to keep the individual's beliefs in line.
The Gestapo was to keep the anti-Whites (Jews, Communists) in line. If you weren't anti-White, you had nothing to fear.

>It's not a fucking coincidence that every socialist state had a governmental organ with the specific task of "neutralizing" political dissenters, right?
What makes you think anti-Whites, Jews and Communists (same thing, really) belong in White nations?

>So my point is that, for socialism to work, people would have to function as a soulless hivemind,
That's Communism, not National Socialism.

You're one of those ignorant fools that think National Socialism is exactly like Communism because it has "Socialism" in the title.

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it's an ideology for a country that cares about its' peoples. But yeah, fuck "socialism". The scandinavian model on the other hand does it perfectly. Add some ethnonationalism, social trust, sovereignty and self sufficiency and you've got a literal utopia.
That's the literal core of natsoc. You aren't put down to the same level as garbage collectors when you've built an organization from the ground up, but you contribute so that your countrymen can reach the top through their own willpower and work. Not for the system, but for the love of your people, your family and your homeland.

>passport to the future

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>Funny how it worked pretty damn well in Nazi Germany.
Ah yes, that's why Hitler's own military tried to assassinate him.
>The Gestapo was to keep the anti-Whites (Jews, Communists) in line. If you weren't anti-White, you had nothing to fear.
Holy shit. Do you realize how you sound? The gestapo persecuted everyone who didn't align with nazi ideology. Catholics and Priests who refused to join the army out of religious grounds were regularly arrested.
>I-if you say nothing bad about the current government you have nothing to fear haha this is what freedom feels like, based and white as I like it
>What makes you think anti-Whites, Jews and Communists (same thing, really) belong in White nations?
As I said, those weren't the only people the gestapo went after
>That's Communism, not National Socialism.
Yes it is, as I have explained in my post.

>Ah yes, that's why Hitler's own military tried to assassinate him.
I'd hardly call the valkyrie plot the whole military.

> Do you realize how you sound?
Like a National Socialist?

> The gestapo persecuted everyone who didn't align with nazi ideology.
Yes...yes..and the Holocaust happened too, right?

>As I said, those weren't the only people the gestapo went after
According to the victors who write history.

>Yes it is, as I have explained in my post.
Well you're an idiot because you don't understand National Socialism.

I bet you haven't even watched TGSNT

thegreateststorynevertold.tv/

Yes. It's ironic how the internationalist socialists (lib cucks) are budding heads with nationalist socialists (Nazis)

Well they are willing to sacrifice freedom for order.

Define either. People on this board REEEEE about any government program being socialism. Things like universal healthcare and UBI aren't communism, and could even be called capitalist/free market within an overall framework of insuring market equality and stability. However, if you label it COMMUNISM, you can scare a bunch of cold war indoctrinated boomers into voting a certain way.

The thing about caring for people it's "who decides what's good for people? " progressive niggers have the same logic, they think they know best for everyone

>but you contribute so that your countrymen can reach the top through their own willpower and work. Not for the system, but for the love of your people, your family and your homeland.
That's naive. No matter how much of a master race your people are, they will always have to have an actual, material incentive to innovate and rise through the ranks. In a system where everyone is obliged to help others out inevitably leads to a class of low skill workers and intellectuals who are only being kept around for their loyalty to the system and gibs from fellow countrymen

Wow you are truly a national socialist good job

>UBI is capitalist
>The state literally redistributing wealth is capitalism and not socialism

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>hans schmidt
those names are kinda rare these days

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>I'd hardly call the valkyrie plot the whole military.
That wasn't my point. You claimed that national socialism as you described it worked pretty well in Germany, because they managed to get their entire german population to hold the same viewpoints. I refuted this by bringing up the Valkyrie plot, as an example of a relatively large group of influential individuals NOT holding the same views.

You then follow up with a couple of non arguments. Try reading the sticky.
Check pic related about TGSNT.

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It's called the cost of doing business. Or are you one of those sorts that still shills for Amazon?

Fuck that's not what I meant to post.

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Objectively, sending out billions to foreign countries for the benefit of none other than the kikes who want to flood us with them and taxing our own people for it is not something anyone would appreciate, and objectively not good for our people. That's just a SINGLE example of how our country is ripping off their own citizens for the benefit of others.

Not necessarily. These values can be instilled not through force, but through action and speech. And no, you're not obliged to work because you love your people, not what I was implying. If our living standards skyrocket because I, as a dictator for example, would stop our country from licking jew ass and lower taxes along with an explanation of the once occupied governments' modus operandi, it will happen naturally. The third reich is a great example where Germany's people were slaves to the jew bank. A little holocaust and some rhetoric is all that was needed.

>It's called the cost of doing business
What in the name of fuck are you talking about?

You are talking to a National socialist bro. Any evidence putting the Nazis in a bad light is a priori Jewish propaganda.

A man can try

Anarcho-syndicalism is the best form of socialism

You operate a company. Your company extracts resources from a population. You are required to alleviate the disruption your extraction inflicts. The idea isn't complex.

>Objectively, sending out billions to foreign countries for the benefit of none other than the kikes who want to flood us with them and taxing our own people for it is not something anyone would appreciate
i wasn't talking about this, don't know where it comes from, I never said I should supported refugees or extremely migration if anything the way your countries impose them on the average Joe is a good example of moralists idiots triying to push their cuck fantasies into people and eliminating dissidents

>Your company extracts resources from a population

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>The third reich is a great example where Germany's people were slaves to the jew bank. A little holocaust and some rhetoric is all that was needed.
The supposed "economic miracle" that took place in germany was nothing more than Hjalmar Schacht taking out a bunch of loans, spending it all on infrastructure and military buildup, while relying on future conquests to pay back those loans. A literal, ISIS tier plunder economy.

So you're saying the idea that Amazon should have to contend with the disruption it causes is tinfoil hat insane? Okay.

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What I was implying is that while I understand these cuck fantasies exist, you can do something objectively good for your country. It doesn't have to be forcing your fetishes onto your countrymen, if anything, that goes against the entire ideology.

Nufag.

Can’t*

My point is "the caring for people" excuse can lead to pretty bad things done in the name of the state triying to fight the stuff they consider dangerous to its morality, a far right government can and will also put restrictions on freedom and thought they consider degenerate.

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If the government forces a certain morality then it's imposing their fetishes into people

Holy fuck, where do I even begin?
Firstly, read this post and comprehend EVERYTHING. Perhaps then we'll be on equal footing and it'll actually be possible to make you understand that it isn't as simple as "lol just take a loan from all the other destroyed nations and plunder shit"

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I still can't believe that there are people on this website and board who don't understand that where there exists a state there exists socialism. Even the founders of the US understood that the complete absense of the state was impossible. The question however becomes what are the essential roles that the state should assume?
The recollobration happening among conservatives now is that they are realizing that the states most essential role is to protect the nation--ie the people (the race). In fact, this is the most pre-eminent role of the state. The health of the nation is directly tied to the health of the sexual bond between man and women and their reproduction (ie the health of the family). Therefore the state ought to do what it can to preserve that health.

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>Some Jew abused his property rights to fuck over White people
>Therefore White people should have their property rights revoked
I see you Jew

Huge difference between enforcing and encouraging morality.

But extracting resources costs money. You're not doing it for free.
For example, if you're running a coal mining company, you have to pay your workers, maintain your machines, pay for utilities and so much more.
You then put a price on the coal that covers your costs and gives you a profit, while remaining low enough so that potential customers don't buy from another coal company instead.
You then use the profits gained to invest in more mining sites and machinery, therefore creating more jobs and giving back even more to society.
If you tax a corporation a certain percentage of their income, you automatically reduce their desire to innovate and expand because you drain a significant amount of their income and therefore make expansion more riskly, slower to achieve and smaller in scale. This is bad for everyone, even the people recieving the UBI, because corporations will be forced to downsize in order to make up for smaller financial gains, thereby creating even more unemployment to be financed by even more UBI.
But even if you ignore all this, you still ignore the fact that resources extracted by a corporation ARE given back to society, for a price.

I was going to call you the most retarded person ITT but I forgot to do it in my other post so here I go.

>doesn't understand money nor value as a concept
>proceeds to call someone retarded
please don't embarass yourself anymore

I was talking about enforcing, nothing wrong with encouraging.

It can work but it requires self replicating capital. They need to let capitalism run its course until we reach post scarcity. Then it would be fine.

Nice way to evade a historical fact. That's literally what happened. Just read this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

>noble coal companies giving back to us with lead poisoning and mine tailings in the water, and all we need to do is let the miners keeling over from black lung service the market! It’s a privilege to honor them with all our resources! Based globohomo!

Whelp, now I know this isn’t worth continuing. You keep praying and maybe that invisible hand will finally jerk you off.

A pathetic appeal to pathos is all you can muster. Typical.