Why Are Conservatives Faggots?

How soulless could you be to define society by commodification, when you're on your death bed you won't be thinking about all of the shekels you made.

USA is the best because it keeps the global menace authoritarians (china, russia) at bay

Bow down

LOL. violence, obesity and literacy. Niggers. Niggers. Niggers.

Absolutely based analysis user.

I have been thinking about this a lot, after I had an argument with a boomer relative the other week where they literally told me that they wanted immigrant here because it drives the price of the groceries down (They aknowledge that is is semi-slave labour with slave wages).

I think it is Marxism.

I think genuinely the Marxists have won. They have managed to change the perseptionof society and history in even the most conservative mind to be about all humans, events, institutes and phenomena are all seen through the lense of economics. All things are seen as if through the Marxist critique of history. They see all men and all value in what the GDP of the result is.

Conservatives used to value Tradition, Family, Religion, and free markets as a result (not the source) of Liberty, as in I can go out and make beautiful things in my workshop and that is better for the tastes of the nation as I can deck out the local church with great woodwork and it is better for variety of expression.

Conservatives used to love the abstracts and the principles of these things, rather than just maximizing growth. I think this is a clear adoption of the Marxist material conception of history.

ove to hear your thoughts user.

>global
>china
>global
>russia
wut?

Well how amazing that China lifts more out of poverty than the US.
Especially considering China has hundred of millions living in pig farms with no running water. They’ve got a lot more to work with.
Poverty in the US means you live in a section 8, have a big TV, but have to take a bus because you don’t own a car.
Nice try nigger.

It's almost as if people fill the role once the current leader goes down

exactly. but it isn't even the point really whether the USA is the best or not. I happen to think it is pretty great. But to throw out the soi bois metrics of literacy and then jump in and claim medical patents is just down right dishonest. Anything for the Cult of Murica though, right Charlie?

what are you talkinga bout schizo user? What leader? What role? How are these coutnries global anything>

Kirk has an extremely punchable face. He looks like a douchebag

both liberalism and conservatism are sham ideologies. put in place to diverge people from developing an ideology that would actually change anything, for better or for worse.

>USA is the best because it keeps the global menace authoritarians (china, russia) at bay
Does this clear it up? If USA fell then someone else would step up to take its place; Russia and China are the most capable ones to do so

>missing the point this hard
As I stated to another user, my gripe is that Krik will claim there is great growth in the USA and entrepeneurship. Yet based purely on that China is better. I beleive it is actually easier to get the necessary paperwork for a business there than in the USA. And yet Kirk still claims it for himself. Then when he gets contray information, he and Owens claims certain things are not at all measurable.

I didn't claim I'd rather live in the PRC than the USA, but why must Kirk and the boomer-cons defend it as the Greatest(tm) as if it is a religion? It isn't Platonically the greatest anything.

>I think genuinely the Marxists have won.
100% agree, it scary how deep the Marxist rot goes in regards to viewing everything through an economic lens.
>Conservatives used to value Tradition
I hate the modern conservative party so much it becomes extremism sometimes lol, I actually can't believe how badly they've fucked the country up. Specifically in regards to the decline of all those values (Tradition, family, religion ect) Repairing the damage that neo-liberal rootless capitalism has done to everything foundational to the human soul at this point is probably impossible, and that'll be their final victory.

So lets get this straight. America is great because it keeps evil authoritarians like China at bay (how tho?) and if it went the evil authoritarian China would step up to stop other evil authoriarians?

Big think user.

You're really outing yourself as a brainlet. USA plays the role as global policeman, or in other words, protects global sea lines of communication (SLOC). It also helps de-escalate local and regional tensions through multinational diplomatic initiatives, and military establishments intended to:
1. Prevent one nation from invading another. Think People's Republic of China (PRC) and Republic of China (ROC)
2. Prevent the smaller nation from spurring an arms race (most specifically nuclear)

This is important. Now let us take this away, and nations like China who has relied on American naval protection of SLOC; they must now step up to defend their own trade routes (we see this minimally now, but it is moreso for operational training). Then you have invasions between nations which would further escalate these issues.

It's just a downward spiral without a hegemon.

100% the most punchable face that wasn't Jewish, and likely ranks high compared to them too.

this 1000 times. I think the Left Right dichotomy forged in the fires of the French Revolution might have been the dumbest thing ever to happen to politics.

>100% agree, it scary how deep the Marxist rot goes in regards to viewing everything through an economic lens.
wow glad I am not the only one, I thought I was going mad with some conspiracy theory here but I see it eveywhere. Ask someone what they wanna do about third world innovation and if they are a lib they will say let them all in. Okay cool, what about the self-segregation of Somali and Ethiopean neighbourhoods? Well it's okay that we have to spend 10 billion on policing them and making sure they don't hack each to pieces with machetes over religious differences, because they generate 12 billion in taxe revenue. I have heard similar arguments and I wanna suign up for Elon Musk's first mission to Mars to escape this somethimes

>and that'll be their final victory
It really will be user. It will be fucking terrible and it really is a sealed vistory. The only hope now I think is that we ride the tiger and our kids come out the other end with values that are not at all like my boomer dad's values. I hope there is a heaven that he can watch his grandkids from so he sees that they are the antichrist to his Liberalism. I will raise my kids to be the way my grandpa would have wanted them. He fought Germans because he was a Briton, now the libs liek to repaint history and claim he was standing up to fascism. Nigga, by your definition my Gramps was a fucking fascist, he just didn't want his nation challenged by another.

imagine still not understanding that you are consuming theatre

conservatives are just last years liberals

>You're really outing yourself as a brainlet
no I aint user, you are just failing to explain yourself properly. Glad you took a whole post this time to do so though.

As to the actual post, you are correct I think. However, does this make them the "Greatest" nation, in the true meaning of the word. It is top dog for sure, but the nation vis-a-vis the nation... I am not so sure.

Yes, USA is the greatest.

>As I stated to another user, my gripe is that Krik will claim there is great growth in the USA and entrepeneurship. Yet based purely on that China is better.
china is building from nothing
the us is expanding whats already built

growing 100 by 10% is alot less than growing 5% of 1000000

china has no consumer economy, shit toilets and is generally just a garbage meme of an enemy

theatre would indicate that Kirk et al are performing and inhabiting a role. These guys literally beleive this shit. Their identity revolves around it. They actualyl make the "alt right" types seem titans of the intellect (and some are very interesting people but they suffer the same cultism).

by what metrics? their importance tot eh rest of the world?
>I am the greatest because I am the world's sugar daddy?
That's pure abuse victim logic.

again, not my point user. my point is that Kirk et al claim a metric for themselves, and yet won't allow it to be used as contrary evidence.

And yet, there is actually soemthing to be said for building from nothing. What makes you the "greatest" of the two nations? Going from 2 dollars a day to 25, or going from 50 to 60?

Sure, you would rather live in the USA, but if your criteria for greatness is a perfect recipe for growth on paper, you'd have to choose the PRC.

It has the strongest military, best economy, most global influence, and leads the globe in diplomatic initiatives

>Why are their no decent intellectuals from the moderate right?

(((Christianity))). When you believe some shitskin tome of lies and fairytales is a basis for managing your life, family, and country, then you can never truly become intelligent. Conservatives are just stupid snowniggers pretending to be smart. It's why Conservatives are so good at debate...They need to be eloquent to cover up for the fact that they have virtually no other skills what so ever. It's why white men have almost no representation any longer in industries and institutions of power. The few SIGNIFICANT companies owned and operated by white men on the Fortune 1000 are aging Boomers at death's doorstep. inb4:

>b-but m-muh AC repair company is important!

I said "significant" which means things NOT related to your mexican-tier blue collar shit trades jobs or micro-"businesses".

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>best economy
biggest, yet it can't seem to remain stable for any significant time frame
>most influence
is it using it wisely?
>leads in diplomacy
sometimes, other times it invades Iraq and dicks a whole region for decades to come.

you seem to be about quantity, not quality user. This is prue dick measuring.

"greatest" is completely arbitrary and changes by person. The general model used ( By Western nations) to assess national power is DIME. Also yes it uses its influence wisely and dominates diplomacy. In mentioning American military might, it wouldn't be a thing without proper diplomacy and influence usage

>christianity
I don't want to quick to diagnose here but it might be you are suffering from American Disease, aka short-termitis. There was a history before 1778 user, and with European history spanning 2000 years and more, you will find that most heavyweight intellectuals are actually church fathers.

>"greatest" is completely arbitrary and changes by person
exactly, the whole point of making the threadanon. Kirk and the like want to make a cult out of greatness and enshrine america there at the top. you know this is the case as they would still cll America the greatest even if it went to ratshit, (they already do when it can't even make it to the top 10 in literacy.).

I get your model and i respect the way you have concluded with America, but unfortunately, you aren't the average American conservative. You are able to go beyond Free Market (tm) and Opportunity (tm) and Freedom (tm) and Democracy (tm) and get to soem actual hardcore metrics, whereas Kirk et al are just here to conduct a pep rally.

>et the People's Republic of China elevates more people out of poverty per year than anywhere else, a more signicant metric

Lul wut? That's because China has MUCH MORE poorer population than USA to elevate out of poverty. USA poverty vs China poverty not even close in regards to just pure numbers. It is not 1:1 metric.....

am laughing. That's one hell of a very specific data metric to support an argument.

That's doesn't even cove the fact USA takes honesty and trust worthiness in data very seriously while China has zero problems with fucking with numbers to make themselves look good.
Of course you can't argue that in a public forum for obvious reasons.

Go to russia or china

see I merely emntioned them t show that Krik is a moron. He offers a proposal "America is the perfect recipe for making people better off" which is demonstrably false. I am not suggesting that China is a better place to be. I am suggesting if Kirk thinks the USA has hit on the perfect sytem to get people onto an electrical grid, he is talkign shit.

Remeber, the USA benefited from having Christianity, English common law, Renaissance technology and othr inheretances from Europe. China has literally gone from Feaudalism to 2nd largest economy (with a genocde in the middle) in 100 years.

Based SOLELY on Kirk's claim that America makes new moeny out of thin air the best, he is completley wrong. What the conditions of life are at the end is irrelevant.

but we cannot know how much, so we can only go by the data available. Also, why is it obvious you can't talk about that? I would happily shit on the PRC in a talk like that.

hi Charlie, did you figure out how to use tht VPN finally?

>Also, why is it obvious you can't talk about that? I would happily shit on the PRC in a talk like that.

Because that kind of debate direction is considered "War-like" in a PUBLIC forum debate.

Also, to debate that way is kinda pointless? How is the opposition going to respond? Show bunch trust worthy examples China showed exception human excellence? While other side shows times when China showed inhumane treatment that can be interpreted as no prob with data manipulation? That goes way off topic..from original debate. Also, in public debates with much more serious following and money-backing, doing that is considered suicide, unprofessional and disrespectful even if kinda known...unless it's beyond your face obvious (like catching Chinese spy).

My mistake I read it wrong then. Also, don't know much about specifics of American eco vs China eco.

>exception
exceptional***

>Because that kind of debate direction is considered "War-like" in a PUBLIC forum debate.
Information put out by the PRC is regularly combated and assumed to be fake. It's common knowledge that China is not very trustworthy and known to be dishonest with its diplomatic dealings (as is every nation).

With that said, many experts feel that China itself is its harshest critic when it comes to things such as the PLA, and presumably the economy. This biggest factor in fake numbers would most likely be manipulation of data down the line. Lying about your data serves no real purpose and may undermine your own efforts to strive

>Information put out by the PRC is regularly combated and assumed to be fake.
To add more to this: Analysts generally put a lot of effort into trying to truly ascertain whether information released is verified by more than one source. This is actually a lot easier done with the economy as well

He's an exceptional American patriot

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the question is why do liberals hate the US so much they want to stay?