Do Australian Women Have High Standards?

My personal experiences as a young Australian male have led me to believe that Australian women have unusually high standards for male partners, or perhaps that I am specifically unattractive towards them in a way which does not hold for foreigners.

I've travelled to Paris and Athens and one thing I noticed is that the girls would from time to time eyeball me lustfully and even return a smile or make friendly conversation, whether they be waitresses, on the street, on public transport, etc.

On the way home from Athens on Qatar airlines recently while I was able to get the Middle Eastern air stewardess to laugh twice while serving, in talking with another student from my home town university while getting off the plane she was as cold as ice. Australian women in general have looked at me as if I'm a rapist and have done so since I was a middling teenager of 15/16.

Furthermore of the few women who have shown attraction towards me only one was white Australian and I think she was transexual (not trying to be mean but I matter of factly found out later); the rest were Asian. I guess I'm not so much asking if Australian women have high standards but rather if there might be something peculiar to myself which makes them act this way, advice from outside of Australia is of course more than welcome.

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Australian women traveling in Europe are easy.

Maybe, but they're a thin slice of the population. Any woman who goes to Sunny Beach Bulgaria for example is regardless of nationality looking to make herself a horse's saddle.

It's not you dude, Aussie women ARE stuck up. I went to italy and argentina for months and the women there were veryyyyyyyyyyy different. I was really taken aback the amount of times I caught Italian girls smiling and checking me out.

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>waitresses,
paid to humor you
>on the street, on public transport, etc.
you're a weird looking autsstistic sounding foreigner visitor and they are the hosts so they humor you
>Middle Eastern air stewardess
paid to humor you

You're just an ugly failure.

How does one gaze upon a rapist

Thanks fren

You are persuasive but you forgot to explain why Asian-Australian women would find me attractive. One of those hosts trying to humour me took me around to the white basilica and the Shakespeare book store but whatever. It was probably just my accent :)

Hey
Nothing about how I look
Nothing about my behavior
Why don't women in my ENTIRE country want to have sex with me? A bank teller in Abu Dhabi was nice to me once...what gives?

>ignores the rest of his post

>ignores

Sorry bro but a smile isn't a swallow

Okay incel .

I'd like to help retardo op but he's giving us nothing to go on.

Dude women outnumber men their, you should have really easy pickings. Are you sure you are not just insufferable?

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They really don't have high standards. Not in melbourne, anyway. Of course they say they want people like chris hemsworth or dacre montgomery or w/e flavour of the month, but a lot of them go for pretty average or ugly dudes. They are trashy, though. And asian girls like you because you're white. Euro girls are a lot better, I agree. A lot less trashy. Even the working-class ones.

this has to be the most brainlet repsonse ive ever seen on this board

this tbqh.

Unless they're brits.
Brits are always trashy, even when they're rich.

I'm not OP but am also Australian male and once when I got out of my car and was walking through the car park into a supermarket, a young woman was walking my way with two small children. As we passed each other, she literally stopped and shielded her children from me and looked at me with utter contempt as I walked by. Never met this person in my life.

Other times you so much as catch their eye and they frown, screw up their face in disgust without you even saying a word.

It's not just you OP.

Do we count brits as euros these days?

Did you have a pet crocodile on a leash with you

>I'd like to help retardo op but he's giving us nothing to go on.

Okay, so like what I mean is that the women in my travels have been a lot more amicable and outwardly friendly towards me than in Australia; I assumed growing up that it was natural for women to look down on men and treat them first with caution and mild hostility until it was shown otherwise that they were good. This is not true in Europe.

For example, on the beach they were less shy in eye contact and it felt like I was actually noticed and checked out whereas I have not felt that way in Australia. On the metro both in Athens and Paris I could see in the corner of my eye girls looking at me lustfully, and on the street I could smile at one and she would smile back. I still remember one such girl: black overcoat, blonde hair, about ten minutes from Notre Dame.

I could also talk to waitresses and so on with greater ease. Someone trivialised this as just them doing their job but the thing is that in Australia they do NOT behave this way. An Australian waitress will ponder her mind to check if sexual violence legislation has been violated if you try to talk to her at a cafe or restaurant, etc.

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Different cultures you dumb faggot
>people are friendly in Paris
On surface levels, yes, you can even score nicely.

Okay, but Australian men haven't ever been that unkind to me. Whether it's a sex specific thing is what I was asking.

Well I hate to Break it to you op but no one since Mary has gotten pregnant over eye contact. based on what you're saying it seems that Australian women are more reserved and if their waitress they just want to go about their job without sexual harassment. a piece of pie shouldn't have to come with a wink and a smile because her job isn't to flirt with you and get your dick hard. It's to bring your f****** piece of pie without throwing it in your face.

So if you think the Australian culture of women makes it difficult for you to date maybe you should consider moving house, or find a desperate online girlfriend from an impoverished country.

also all you really said is that Australian women on the street and at their job don't flirt with you.

Maybe if you're in a social setting where people are mixing like a bar or a dance club or something you might have better luck.

Also you haven't said anything about your general attractiveness level.

guys on the street don't hit on me either but I'm also not drop dead gorgeous so I don't expect any random person to flirt with me or try to hit on me.

on the other hand I have a female co-worker who is pretty cute and she can't go to the gas station or the grocery store without old dudes or creepy construction guys hitting on her.

How the hell can people tell when they are being checked out? When I go into town I never make eye contact with anyone. Sure, people are within my field of vision but I never look at them. Do people go out randomly scan fuckers for the off chance they are being eyefucked for a small ego boost?

Dear, I was just asking if others thought that Australian women were somewhat prudish, I wasn't asking for a live example.

Yonder pic be relevant for it is me and a stray cat I found in Milos. I'm maybe a bit above average in looks but everyone seems to think that about themselves.

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Not the femanon but I would agree with above average, with clearing up the skin and losing fat probably the things you can do to look even better. Your height btw?

>I agree with above average

Thank you

>If you cleaned your skin and improved your weight you could look better

Ouch, your words cut like steel. The photo makes me look a bit fat but I have been trying to lose weight, I look better in most others like pic related. 5'11 but I still have a few years of growth left until I turn ~22.

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Okay but first of all my premises correct women do outnumber men in Australia. It goes to reason that they would be less selective sexually. This further more leads me to believe that you are not taking care of your hygiene and have a severe lack of social skills which led you to asking incels on Jow Forums for sexual advice.

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Well the way you're positioned in that photo makes it look like you carry fat around the neck. You look fine in that photo to be honest. No adonis god on steroids but I can see some ab tone and that's in unflattering lighting and shit and your face looks pretty handsome in that photo to be honest. Maybe you're a sperg or Aussie women truly are stuck up cunts.

I am a literal sperg and talk to the women I know about Indo-European etymology the Austrian school and Roman politics so I understand why I'm unsuccessful on that front. I'm trying to understand how to talk about regular topics but I get stuck on what to talk about.

But that isn't the point, what puzzled me was why European women were different, at least insofar as first-looks and short conversations are concerned. I think I explained myself best here .

But thanks for what you've said, I look at the works of the classical Greeks and the paintings recreating their depiction of male beauty and I want to be that one day but it's very difficult for a man to fully attain the epitome of his body. But when a man is at his physical limit he is the most beautiful animal, next to women of course.

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If you're using that shit as an ice breaker, fucking don't. Once the niceties are out of the way, you enquire about her interests, engage with her on that level, you give yours without full on autistic lecture mode, etc. Helps when the humour clicks too.

I would say that you are very average. I don't say that to make you feel bad. But if you would look above average, then you wouldn't have those problems.
What I notice in your pic is, that you have a bit of a weak chin. I look similar to you. My chin is also quite weak.
The problem, that guys like us face is the current time: 4 years back, some good looking girls still hit on me. Now, I am 25, have a better personality, more to tell, etc. But all I can get are fat and ugly chicks or rejections. I am from western Europe. I can't even get Tinder Dates. And approaching girls in the city results in a lot of flakes. I managed to get a few dates while travelling, or in general seemed to have a higher sexual market value (not talking about Asia). But that's it. I think Tinder and Instagram made girls believe thag they all deserve Chad. I can see many of my friends struggling as well. Even though some of them get laid from time to time. Anyway, no idea how to solve that issue. I started working out recently. Maybe thag will help. Otherwise I will get myself plastic surgery.
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Posted that for online rate a few times and usually fall into 7-9 range, with 7 or 7.5 being the most common number. That said, pitiful sexual experience and have no idea how to really improve beyond continuing to working out and improving confident/body language, albeit I hear some corners of the internet scream that's utterly irrelevant if you're Chad.

>working out
>irrelevant if you're Chad
I know some skinny guys who fuck a lot and good looking girls. So yeah, just having muscles won't get you laid.
I can't tell you what's your problem, but I see your problem coming from two things:
1) You may be above average, but you're still not good enough to get laid just by your looks
2) You are not confident enough. In this regard it could help working out.

Also do you mind saying where you're from? I noticed that the city can play a big part as well. Friend of mine moved one year ago to the same city to where I live. He is 25 and fucked 12 girls untill he came here. After living here for 1 year, he just fucked one more. And that was a ONS with some crazy bitch.
You start really doubting yourself and become mental

>1) You may be above average, but you're still not good enough to get laid just by your looks
>2) You are not confident enough. In this regard it could help working out.
Both I would say. Never good enough that I'd get eye fucked and never approach either because my confidence in myself when it comes to women is zero. Whatever actual charisma I do have gets switched off like an off button when it comes to a girl in my age group I think is attractive.

Then you're still better off than me.
I don't have any of those problems and get rejected all the time.

you're a good looking kid OP. you've got high prospects. don't let the bitters and invalids here begin to tell you otherwise. I will try and explain this predicament of yours.

what girls look for in a guy is self knowledge. as differentiated from raw intelligence. and as differentiated from the breed of self awareness which involuntary celibate types acquire in wholesale (which they gain only through their brokenness). girls want you in a position or state of mind where you're able to handle your own, full self. pull your weight, in the broadest sense.

you are attractive to foreigners, asian women, etc. because they view only that facet of interaction with you in which your weight is naturally, through situational leverage, pulled. i.e. you're on holiday, you're perceived, relatively, as culturally, or otherwise, exotic, etc. this allows them to see you in a less noisy sense.

and conversely the girls back home see only the underside. the noise becomes the message. the mild bit of weight you could stand to lose. skincare as someone else brought up. other likely things would be your fashion sense. your conversational and contextual (i.e. behavioural) pertinency. voice and the scent carried.

so, to furnish your question with a direct answer: the standoffishness of which you have your suspicious is indeed real. it's simply the antisocial, withdrawn turn the world has decidedly taken. if it's girls you want you'll have to learn to attune yourself to the above mentioned sorts of minutiae, which may strike a sensible man as inefficient or tedious, but are really all they have to go off of these days. meagre though as it be. learn how to relate and understand and accept them and they will become attracted to you.

bridge the gap and pull your weight.

>Indo-European etymology the Austrian school and Roman politics
good lad. though, if I were you, would not waste the steam on a lay ear.

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>you are attractive to foreigners, asian women, etc. because they view only that facet of interaction with you in which your weight is naturally, through situational leverage, pulled. i.e. you're on holiday, you're perceived, relatively, as culturally, or otherwise, exotic, etc. this allows them to see you in a less noisy sense.

That is not very thoughtful.

I'm from Canada and it's basically the same. For a more extreme example of this look at Sweden.
But it is a strange tactic women use, to treat men they don't like as if they're perverts. Then they go for a night out and gang suck 5 random dicks.
It doesn't even stop when she has a BF either. Almost every Canadian girl in my area fucks around or cucks their bf into a poly relationship.
Western women are just disgusting. They're the real perverts. I want to live in Eastern Europe for a few years and get to know nice people for a change.

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>want to live in Eastern Europe for a few years
Good luck. The golden times are over.
Nobody is waiting for a western loser there. Seriously. All you will get is some second or third class bangs there at best. But even that is for most people already hard. And what you end up with, are the same whores as in western Europe. But you will idealize it, because when she sleeps with you, then she can't be a whore, right?
You are seriously retarded.
If you want to have a relationship with a woman from there, which still has traditional values, and loves you for the person who you are, then you should learn her language. Your SMV may be higher, true.
But as I said: If you're an absolute loser in *insert country here* then you will be one in Eastern Europe as well.
And before you start telling me that I am a retard: Just go and try it out first.

>Just go and try it out first.
I'll be sure to come back in a few years and let you know how it goes lol
Seriously tho. I need to get out of this blanket of narcissism. The women here are largely vapid whores and enveloped in hyper left wing politics, it's impossible to avoid it. Everything is seen through their lens of cultural marxism and if you're not willing to play along AND be someone they find unattractive, you don't stand a chance.
>on a side note all the big time chads in my area are crazy right wing and the hyper liberal women they bang don't seem to mind at all
I'm also aware of the foreign women pipe dream, but there is truth to it. Women from less developed countries are much less crazy. If my chances of meeting someone down to earth and not obsessed with the smell of their own farts increase in a foreign country, then it's worth it try.
>also less fat chicks

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>much less crazy.
Good fucking luck in Eastern Europe then. I can't name you many countries where that is still the case. Ukraine seemed still worthwhile to me though. But you should learn at least some basic language skillz there. The problem however remains the same: You idealize the East, while they idealize the West (mostly at least). For many reasons. They think we live in some kind of wonderland financially and we habe zero problems. Once you take her with you, chances are high she becomes the same as every other woman in Canada. You basically can't win. I would recommend you to become location independent, learn the language of your chosen country and then fuck off forever. Longterm the best play.

Yes? UK is in europe you brainlet

Dacre is only 5'9 lol.

high standards is like hard work

completely meaningless because everyone has it

I'm a girl and I don't get it. I'm not gay but Australian lesbians have hit on me online a lot. Why???

>Euro girls are a lot better, I agree. A lot less trashy. Even the working-class ones.
>t.Never been to europe

t.Western European

And Russia is in asia. Don't be obtuse.

>you'll have to learn to attune yourself to the above mentioned sorts of minutiae, which may strike a sensible man as inefficient or tedious, but are really all they have to go off of these days
>learn how to relate and understand and accept them and they will become attracted to you.

Thank you for your response, I was inactive over the past 10 hours because I went to sleep. I'll mull over what you've said.

You have above average features but one problem I see is that they aren't high testosterone or highly masculine. I.e. low width of the face compared to vertical length. I can't really talk because I found in Greece that I am the dead ringer of Antinous, Hadrian's personal boy toy. Either way though my advice is to learn how to be a pretty boy in order to attract women.

Sorry, second response was meant for :

You have above average features but one problem I see is that they aren't high testosterone or highly masculine. I.e. low width of the face compared to vertical length. I can't really talk because I found in Greece that I am the dead ringer of Antinous, Hadrian's personal boy toy. Either way though my advice is to learn how to be a pretty boy in order to attract women.

DO NOT ASK INCELS FOR ADVICE ABOUT WOMEN!!!

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>a piece of pie shouldn't have to come with a wink and a smile because her job isn't to flirt with you and get your dick hard. It's to bring your f****** piece of pie without throwing it in your face.
why do you sound so worked up lmao. OP is asking a genuine question and you're acting like he thinks he's entitled to you sucking his dick. I have no doubt you'd fit right in with the Australian women he's talking about.

I haven't really had any luck with Australian girls as an Ausfag myself, but euro and American girls seem to find me very charming and cute.

Just makes me want to leave this place and live abroad.

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>Melbourne
lel gommunism :DDDDD

I did a testosterone test and am abover average at 963 ng/dl. Shoulders are decent so is neck but you're right it doesn't manifest itself in other areas, i.e. I cannot grow a full shadow

>I have above average testosterone but I agree it doesn't manifest in some areas

Yeah, also now that you mention the shoulders I can see that. You must have a good v-form to your torso.

I feel for you, I really do, if it's no offence when I look at you I'm reminded a lot of myself. Overcoming a lack of confidence is really counterintuitive because by trying to correct for self-confidence you make it apparent to others that you're self-conscious, or at least that's the impression I gather. The best advice I can offer is to avoid masturbation and illicit material; this greatly increases libido and compensates for self-doubt with sexual drive.

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True, gives you a greater burst of energy and aggression to. I simply get frustrated as hell by the dissonance between stuff I have suggesting I look good (lot of compliments to face and behind back from college students to pensioners, etc.) and what I'm told handsome men get constantly. So either a) all those compliments are bullshit and I don't look good b) I merely took one good photo that isn't representative of my looks, or c) people online overstate grossly what good looks get you and personality, demeanor, etc. is extremely important.

Painfully honest assessment of you OP, you're definitely above-average facially, but your body is nothing special. Even so, you should be able to have success with women based on your face alone. I think it's your approach. How are you meeting women? The cold approach is not the way to go. Try to meet women through a shared hobby, for example, rock climbing. That way you have common ground from the start and a reason to talk to women.

handsome men do not get sex constantly. it is rather that men who get sex often typically are.

there is much more to it. as I pointed out in my previous post. women will in fact go so far as to discount you because of how attractive you are if they feel you are a lost cause otherwise. couple this with the fact that it is a big risk for women. don't question why. it is impossible to understand. but it simply is. that is how they view you. as a massive liability. the more attractive you are the truer it is. so it explains precisely why you don't end up with anything, what you clearly ought to be getting. of course if the guy in question is famous or has an otherwise high social stature then the liability in the equation becomes void and that's why you see dan bilzerian types with harems.

put an actuarial lens on your thinking and all will be made clear. women make suboptimal decisions in high frequency because they are terribly risk-averse creatures. we all are, naturally, but them excessively more so. the things I mentioned in my other post are the things you cultivate in yourself to bridge that gap of their inane level of aversion to risk and meet them in a place of mutuality.

ANY decent looking person travelling to ANY foreign country is going to attract people there by default. Its not that hard to realize.

I get the exact same reaction, my only issue is that I'm a bit short.
Australian women hate all men that don't look like male models.

Which country gives women the least freedom to do anything?

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>Painfully honest assessment of you OP, you're definitely above-average facially, but your body is nothing special.

I don't know why you'd preface that with 'painful honesty', I have been getting progressively fitter over the course of this year so my body shouldn't be a long term problem. That's great news.

>I think it's your approach

Probably, however most of the women I've approached I have known personally, so rejection has occurred despite shared interests. I still appreciate the feedback.

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>My personal experiences as a young Australian male have led me to believe that Australian women have unusually high standards
As someone who can't leave the house without being stared at by every fucker on the street I may actually agree with this. I always assumed I looked like shit but as I've gotten older I've come to realise apparently I'm very good looking, even been approached by girls on the street in surfers paradise. Probably the most satisfying feeling ever. The worst reaction I've ever had was a girl giggling and saying eww when I winked at her because she was with her boyfriend, didn't have a tone of disgust at all though.

>although the majority of the contestants were white
No shit. This article is retarded clickbait

Did you even read the article?

This is pretty accurate but for the wrong reasons. Most of the Aussie girls you see ARE outwardly cold. It's a symptom of the newer generation of wealthy and educated but socially and culturally bankrupt bugmen in Aussie cities tho. The new wealth wankers here in Sydney won't even bother to talk to their neighbours except to complain and will refuse to recognise the existence of you on the street unless you literally bump into them - goes for both men and women. It's not that they hate you or think you're scum. They just don't want to interact with anyone except for people they already know as they're incapable of having any sort of meaningful conversation with a stranger. This is mainly because of the highly cliqued and isolating nature of our cities, which the internet only amplifies. Resting bitch face makes this appearance of loathing at social interaction even worse. You only notice it in women because you have romantic interest in them.

I always find it much easier talking to older bogans and rural peeps bc they're so relaxed and not socially stunted by the internet. They really don't actually mind to have a yarn with someone they don't know well. Only girls I've really had any proper romantic experience with here have been first generation Aussie. Brought up with a combo of Aussie and their parent's home culture and it makes for a good, friendly balance between totally reserved and being a thot. Can't be bothered with the effort of dating an Aussie girl because it feels like more effort than it's worth. Going out with a girl's supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not a slog to get to know the girl because she's cold as fuck to people that aren't in her social clique. Same goes for making friends as well. Feels like a trek to talk to anyone because all you can feel like you can do with them is have boring smalltalk lest they get offended at the slightest quirky thing you talk about.
>t. kiwi living in Sydney