I'm 26 and never had an intimate conversation with a girl, never had a female friend...

Kids more than sex.
Sorry

27 and going to Asia to see if I can find someone there. I’ve got nothing to lose

>I want kids more than kids
Wut

>Not updating
I'm a fucking moron, sorry

Brothers it's always possible

Let's begin take a shower and wash everywhere. Pick a celebrity you like, and go get that haircut. Go get some clothes that fit (not to tight, not to loose). Take a mug shot straight on. Then a full body shot next to your stuff. Now go somewhere fun and take a picture of you having fun. Now go home and go to OkCupid. Make a profile with a simple but descriptive name. Fill out the profile with a few sentences. It's okay if you have way more to say, save it for dates. Use the three pics you took earlier. Now only fill out the quiz untill you get to 80 percent. You will match with more people by being less specific. Now message every girl you can get to in a day that you find physically attractive. For each message you want to skim the profile for a single talking point that you like. When you get a message back try to carry the conversation to another kind of interaction. Online gaming, video chat, phone call, or date are good examples. If you are boring keep things short aiming for multiple interactions. You don't have to be unique, but genuine. No copy paste or corny pick up lines. Get to know them, let them get to know you. When you are happy with someone let them know and see if they want to take things further. from this point on ask your partner.

you don't?

Wincest

You're going to get to an age at some point where you'll probably regret not dealing with the so-called mating dance, definitly if you want kids. and honestly, you should prob start trying to deal with it if you want any.. it's not easy and will bring you down but totally worth it. Just start slowly until your comfortable with it.

And err, for most people: you won't be having much sex after kids if that helps

Really though? I think it's amazing when other dudes admit that they don't have enough self control to not give into sexual impulses. That they need evolution/biological ticks to give them that ability, and that not submitting to them is a sign of degeneracy. As if it's a real problem that you don't get into a romantic relationship with nearly every woman you meet beyond family members, that being friends with women is this horrible thing even in situations where a relationship wouldn't make sense.

>I think it's amazing when other dudes admit that they don't have enough self control to not give into sexual impulses
Part of self-control is also recognizing which situations are dangerous or likely to lead to temptation. If I'm waiting until marriage, for example, it's not 'self-control' to frequent strip clubs, it's just hubris.

And it's not about the individual's capability per se--of course there are plenty of men and women who can handle themselves just fine without restricting their actions. The main reason behind standards of behavior is to provide an example for people who aren't flawless; that is, most of us. Telling people that it's solely up to the individual to act 'properly' lets everyone convince themselves they're invulnerable, and thus encourages unnecessary risk--after all, if a good driver wouldn't speed anyway, what use is a speed limit? Point being, it shouldn't be taken as a personal insult to be held to standards.

You can of course be polite and pleasant with friends of the opposite gender, but close friendships, to the point of, say, sharing a hotel room or getting drunk in each other's company, is best left to your own gender.

> to the point of, say, sharing a hotel room or getting drunk in each other's company, is best left to your own gender

You can still be good friends even if you exclude those sorts of situations. And I'd even argue that they're still totally possible with the opposite gender, unless maybe strong unrequited feelings are at play beyond mild attraction.

I think segregation makes for a shitty societal standard, to be blunt. What about situations where a guy only gets a long well with girls/identifies better with them, and vice versa? He should just be expected to be friendless, or to just deal with the fact that only 1/100 men he meet might actually identify with him? Jobs dominated by a certain gender, say nursing; so because society says that men and women can't be friends, men going into that field need to accept that it's going to be way harder for them to network and make connection? And again vice versa, with women going into STEM fields. What about implications when it comes to interacting with coworkers of the opposite sex/gender?

I think the idea of strict self control when it comes to sex to be a better societal standard. I think that men/women who are over-sexualized should be shunned, not people who are different genders that decide to get drunk with each other.

I'm more than happy dying childless or getting a surrogate. I don't think my personality will ever change since it hasn't to date. The best shot I have is having some really used up whore willing to settle for me initiate a relationship and have my kids.
I only say this because this is what happened to my dad after he divorced my mom. He was just sitting at a bar and some drunk roastie sat on his lap. That was several years ago and he's remarried and has kids.

>What about situations where a guy only gets a long well with girls/identifies better with them, and vice versa?
Those are in an absolute minority and should not be catered to, since it would be to the detriment of everyone else. Will things be more difficult for them? Yes, unfortunately. This sort of semi-artificial barrier makes certain actions relatively more difficult so that only people set on them to begin with are still willing to go through with it. Meanwhile, healthier/less inherently risky behaviors are made relatively more appealing. It focuses the burden of such risks on those most likely to take them, in short. Would it be nice for everyone if such risks didn't exist? Yes, but they do.

>I think the idea of strict self control when it comes to sex to be a better societal standard.
I agree, and this of course is more important to relationships because it's a direct rather than indirect issue. But as a general rule it's not rational to expect people to be restrained in their behavior when they're constantly being tempted. If you have no stigma attached to stuff like drunken co-ed parties, you can't really act surprised at the consequences of it.

Of course you can pick out individual cases that wouldn't fit neatly into these societal standards, but that's not what the standards are for. A standard which proclaims to fit everyone to their own tastes isn't a standard at all, it's no more than a motivational poster that gives no guidance or direction to people badly in need of it.

> If you have no stigma attached to stuff like drunken co-ed parties, you can't really act surprised at the consequences of it.

Co-ed parties come in many different forms. Your meme college/high school ones are just one facet, and imo are typically indicative of a much larger issue than 'men and women are being too friendly with each other'. In fact it's not even a college-wide thing. Hookup culture is propagated not only by a certain age of people, but also a specific type of person. The animation parties I went too were never that intense lmao, way more wholesome despite both genders being there. Was there some romance going on? For sure. But it usually ended up in actual long term relationships; those parties were a legitimate way for couples to get started or grow stronger, as well as a way for people of different genders to just chill out and be friends with one another.

So to me the idea of attaching a stigma to these events is a still bit out there, and I think out of hand co-ed situations are actually the exception, not the rule. To me the argument is like saying that because car accidents happen, everyone should stop driving and take public transit. To me it seems better to structure things in a way where some risk is still acceptable - and individual people are made culpable - but bad driving or its equivalent is actively discouraged and punished accordingly. Not only that but if you go too crazy with the segregation, how are people supposed to form healthy romantic relationships? Isn't it better/safer to get to know their personality as a friend first?

talk about the weather

>So to me the idea of attaching a stigma to these events is a still bit out there
I use extreme examples to illustrate my points, not to justify them. I should have clarified that the problem wasn't so much social gatherings (which are much less suspect than one-on-one private meetings) but the potential for abuse in a situation, and the situation just happened to be a social one. As you said earlier in your post, you can understand the issues that come with my given situation (and that's all I wanted to say, not to indict social gatherings in general)--in the same vein, having multiple opposite-gender friendships is a charged situation that is guaranteed to generate friction, which can be further exploited at a whim.

>how are people supposed to form healthy romantic relationships?
>Isn't it better/safer to get to know their personality as a friend first?
Yes and no. This is the strongest argument for permissiveness towards friendships, but then again my issue isn't with interaction itself, it's with the associated risks. My underlying point is that there should be a degree of respectful distance with any acquaintances of another gender, especially if you are in a relationship. Obviously you want to get to know someone to date them (or vice-versa), and singles don't have to worry about it as much, but investing heavily into friendships only to have to extricate yourself later on is something that should be avoided.

How many girls have you asked on date this year?
>inb4 zero
Bars, dancing lessons, evo 2019 championship, okcupid.

It's zero and I understand the impossibility comes from myself. At the same time any woman dumb enough to date me isn't worth dating so there's that

Interesting version of
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna–whore_complex

I'm ugly as sin, but I don't try much anymore. Once I get to Asia I will put in effort in once again and see where that gets me

Pics or didnt happen
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder

Romance budding from friendship is a meme. If you've known her for a long time and she never wanted to fuck you all those years, she's using you for something.

What about a mail order bride?