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What's up with National Capitalism? It seems like a healthy alternative to Nazism, as Nationalism and Capitalism both seem to work well long term. NatCap is very vaguely defined though so I was wondering what your opinions were of it, and how it contrasts to its sexy cousin NatSoc.
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this isn't AnCap, its NatCap, there's a difference
same shit
FUCK LOLSPERGISM
surely capitalism can serve the betterment of the nation?
>Nationalism and capitalism both seem to work well long term
They literally do, but go on user
It comes off to me as something like the bargaining stage of grief for the right wing "libertarian". It comes off as even more desperate than the "Read Hoppe" people.
Nationalism and capitalism are antithetical to one another in the long run.
It's a completely planned out white nationalism plan! It's actually very impressive once you read the white paper on it.
What you’re looking for is fascism.
ahhh interesting thx user
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Pure capitalism atomizes society but authoritarian nationalism makes people slaves.
Friedmans central bank idea is the basis of the white nationalism economic plan but NatCap is no way libertarian(no small government), it is basically a perfected National socialism. Even Hitler joked that he didnt know what national socialism meant! NatCap is all planned out.
So would the middle ground be natcap? regulated capitalism serving the greater good of a traditionalist ethnostate?
I don't care just keep the fucking borders closed and the communists dead.
But capitalism has outgrown the nation. Capitalism is about returning the highest profits to shareholders. So why would they not exploit cheap foreign labor at the expense of domestic labor? Your ideology doesn't hold up. Genuine capitalism is anti-national by definition, or at least neutral to the national question.
If you mean that the state will bridle or restrain capitalism, then how would this work? The state is not an idealistic humanitarian agency with genuine concern for all sectors of its population. The state is mostly just like any organization: it seeks to do the will of the highest bidder, in this case the capitalists.
Furthermore, and most devastatingly, the USA is a perfect example of 'national capitalism'. We've seen where such a thing leads, why repeat it?
Man I thought I was stupid.
>What's up with National Capitalism?
It's a contradiction in terms. Capitalism is inherently globalist.
National socialism is the belief in a nationalistic and homogenous state that provides a sense not of actual socialism (marxism) but a sense of communal purpose, in which each citizen in granted individually the capital in which they have truly earned, whist preventing the capitalist, globalist elite from taking over. Nationalism its all about love, love for one`s own country, love for nature, the purity of nature. Love for clean healthy and decent habits and traditions. Natsoc actually helps you to understand why our country is so degenerate and how capitalism has played and continues to be a key role. It helps you realize that corporations that are in a country shouldn't drain all the capital and should play a role in supporting the people that make them all the money, instead of outsourcing their jobs or embracing illegal immigrants to take the jobs, or raping them in taxes to cover expenses they could easily afford. Its teaches that encouraging people in the country to work together for the goal of improving the country not only works, but also tightens the bonds of the family unit. Also, contrary to popular belief, a small government with comprehensive legal outreach and fundamentalist values does not have to be specifically authoritarian by design, but if that is what is necessary to prevent degeneracy then so be it.
This is why I really love the idea of Nazism, but NatKap seems like a more modernized, free version of Nazism, as my main problem with nazism is its absolute stripping of individuality, whilst it seems NatKap retains more Americanish Capitalist/Libertarian values (while maintaining that all progress made goes to the betterment of the nation/race.
Natcap is the middle ground.
It is a inflation resistant idea if anything. youtu.be
Well it is a white nationalist idea so that is a given! ha
You can't have nationalism with individualism. Individuals must be put on notice that they will not take actions which harm the nation, regardless of their perceived self interest.
>while maintaining that all progress made goes to the betterment of the nation/race
But how? The state, unless it is led by a fanatical dictator, and unless the people are made as fanatically selfless as NatSoc strives for, simply will not seek the good of the nation. It will do what every other state has always done: it will do the bidding of the most powerful sector.
You can't have successful nationalism without a mass movement, and you can't have a successful mass movement without transcending the individual.
nationalism and capitalism are mutually exclusive. free markets and international trade/ labor devaluation is detrimental to the health and living standard of the domestic population. if your economic polocey does not serve the nation then it can not be nationalist.
White nationalism is kind of globalist, but instead of being controlled by evil anti-white death cults it is controlled by white European/colonies.
1)asians are not white 2) ubi is not NapCap
Capitalism is not specifically anti-nation or globalist by nature. An isolationist, Traditionalist nation that values the community equally as the individual could benefit from a regulated internalised capitalist economy, perhaps better than Hitler's semi-free market, semi-state run economic model.
>1)asians are not white 2) ubi is not NapCap
it's called a meme but ok
>Capitalism is not specifically anti-nation or globalist by nature
Capitalism seeks the return of the highest possible profits to shareholders by any legal means necessary. What is legal, in any non-dictatorial non-fanatical state, will be whatever the ruling class (the capitalists) wants to be legal. There is no way out of this except to balance the capitalists. For this, you need some labor-oriented mass movement fanatically devoted to the cause. That's called national socialism.
>An isolationist, Traditionalist nation that values the community equally as the individual could benefit from a regulated internalised capitalist economy, perhaps better than Hitler's semi-free market, semi-state run economic model.
But that's pretty much what the USA started with, and look where it lead.
Ha I thought you were going to go full-on yangang shit! haha I'm off to sleep, night buddy.
Only answer is Fascism
read this
but also:
>The state, unless it is led by a fanatical dictator, and unless the people are made as fanatically selfless as NatSoc strives for, simply will not seek the good of the nation.
This is false, extreme devaluation of the individual is not necessary to secure the future of the nation. Strong leadership, when combined with a sense of nationalism and purity, is more than good enough to establish the existence and future of the nation. Complete destruction of the individual is unnecessary and anti-human
>It will do what every other state has always done: it will do the bidding of the most powerful sector.
Not if you put appropriate, immovable restrictions in place to prevent such a thing, something our founding fathers never had the foresight to do (leaving us in our current state)
>You can't have successful nationalism without a mass movement, and you can't have a successful mass movement without transcending the individual.
I completely agree, but I believe there is a middle ground between a complete collective and a complete individual. America is 90-ish% about the individual. Nazism is about 45-ish% of the individual. I'm just saying a healthy middle ground at about 55-ish% about the individual is most preferable.
Agreed but how? You can't have fascism without a mass labor organization at least. But organized labor is fucked in the USA. Conservatives really fucked us over.
On top of that, fascism was unthinkable in the 20th century without the overwhelming fear of communist revolution, which enabled governments to turn a blind eye to fascist righteous violence. Maybe if shitskins were more radical that would do, but they're mostly corporate slaves. The ruling classes love them.
Shitskin radicalization should be priority #1 for the meme divisions. We must create the right conditions for fascism to develop. The ruling classes have to be afraid of somebody, or they'll shut us down.
isn't fascism essentially the same thing as NatKap?
none of this is going to happen, were just talking hypotheticals. The only real answer is accelerationism.
>Capitalism seeks the return of the highest possible profits to shareholders by any legal means necessary.
thats why its so great!
>What is legal, in any non-dictatorial non-fanatical state, will be whatever the ruling class (the capitalists) wants to be legal.
that doesn't have to be the case, I believe there are real policies that can prevent capitalist corruption of the national political system.
>There is no way out of this except to balance the capitalists.
which you can do through basic policy
>For this, you need some labor-oriented mass movement fanatically devoted to the cause. That's called national socialism.
You are essentially talking about right wing populism, which is a terrible political philosophy. Populism is not essential to preventing corruption, Extreme Authoritarianism is not essential to preventing corruption.
>But that's pretty much what the USA started with, and look where it lead.
America Libertarian by design. That's the problem. America is not isolationist, traditionalist, and does not value the community or wellbeing of the nation specifically. Libertarianism leads to societal decay, which is why a degree Authoritarianism is NECESSARY to preserve a nation.
>The only real answer is accelerationism
I agree that far, so long as we're accelerating smartly and not randomly. Jow Forumsacks shouldn't be rotting in prison because they shot some old Jewish lady.
Smart acceleration is leading the national discussion towards conditions favorable to the kind of righteous constructive violence needed to form an ethnostate. Blackshirts can't happen today without being immediately shut down, but maybe 20 years from now if we can create the right conditions.
Honestly, more of Jow Forums needs to read Lenin. Particularly about the conspiratorial elite.
>Particularly about the conspiratorial elite.
This: en.wikipedia.org
I have the perfect copypasta for this:
Accelerationism is basically done by both sides. This needs to be made clear.
The idea needs to be better explained, so that people aren't so easily tricked by (((them))).
>Imagine frogs being boiled in a pot.
>Some of the frogs realize they are being boiled, but do nothing.
>Some of the frogs think the boiling is good.
>A few frogs jump out.
^This is how history normally flows.
Now to explain a true Accelerationist frog.
>One of the frogs wants to convince the others to jump out, so he turns up the heat and tells the ones still in that they are dumb if they don't notice the heat.
>Many frogs start realizing they are being cooked, so they too jump out, SLOWLY turning up the heat to not harm their fellow frogs but to awaken them to what is happening.
Then we have a falseflag "Tarrant" type anti-acceleration frog.
>One of the crazier frogs that use to think the boiling is good, now believes that they are indeed getting boiled.
>He wants to save the other frogs, but because he is a fucking idiot, he decides to turn the heat ALL THE WAY UP.
>Now all the frogs realize they are being cooked, but many of them now died.
>Many of the frogs now think the frog who claims that they were getting boiled just ruined their warm water bath. So now they punish any frogs who claim they are boiling, and proceed to turn down the heat so that they can get back in.
>What's true Accelerationism?
The idea is to slowly convince people to wake up.
>This means be pro-abortion, while making sure your family doesn't partake in abortions.
>This means be anti-2nd amendment for Leftists, while making sure your family is well armed.
>This means encouraging diverse communities in leftist areas, while making sure your community is ethnically pure.
>This means being pro-vaccine, and pro-5G, while making sure your family is reasonable with vaccines and radiowaves.
>This means be anti-birthrates, while making sure your wife is always giving birth.
definitely interesting stuff
It's something I've thought a lot about independent of OP. I'm glad others are putting brain cells into it.
Capitalism is the best economic system, but not the best societal system. Unfortunately, any state that wants to stay strong against foreign influence must be economically strong to have the tools to do so. I think America's founding fathers weren't just flying blind when they first established the only taxes as tarrifs. Import taxes encourage local growth of products and services, while creating strong lines of economic and social demarcation.
A certain central European state in the 1930s had great ideas, but there were major economic issues, like people buying whole trucks just to get tires because of the limitations by the government on manufacturing tires alone.
Capitalism must be subservient to nationalism, but rejecting it's uses entirely is foolish. China's weird fusion if state capitalism and quasi-fascism has a lot of good ideas to take from. Of course, it's communistic legacy resulted in poor property rights that created a culture that destroyed it's ecology.
>accelerationism
That's a strategy, not an end goal
NatSoc allows the weak to flourish whereas NatCap allows for caste structure to develop
what do you mean by that? I don't believe a caste structure would arise from such a state.
very well said, at the end of the day I think from a modern perspective that a heavily regulated and internalized capitalist nation, with ultra-nationalist and fundamentalist governance would be essentially perfect (assuming there is complete racial and cultural homogeneity).
Natcap don't go with the logic of capitalism, it can exist but for a very short period of time.
accelerationism is the only acceptable political belief
if you think you should serve yourself before your country then you should serve your country by living somewhere else
>all these 2s but no 3s, 6s, or 9s