Cuckitalism

I could actually believe the stasi spying people having sex to rate their orgasms. However the figures are probably fake because communists are only good at hiding the truth and distorting the vision of the world around them.

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are you equating your wife to money? and discussing both as your property? very problematic.

There being less food in socialist countries than the west is simply untrue. CIA admitted as much. cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf
The picture of breadlines are from late 80s which were caused by badly handled market reforms.

So the government should be allowed to fuck my wife? I don't get your argument.

my family literally had to send toilet roll to the rest of the family back in Poland during the 80's.

read this

>That's untrue.
>Next sentence agrees with me 100%
What if I want to save up a bunch of money and go on a 4 week vacation? What if I want exotic food? What If I want a big appartment and am willing to make the necessary sacrifices for it?
What if I am a milk farmer and want to produce more than my official quota?
I get the gulag if I want those things and complain about it.
>but I haven't heard much people complain about it.
Because you have been talking to lazy shitheads who were freeloaders during commie times. It was not uncommon at all for most people to not do their work in the GDR, because they wouldn't be fired either way. If you have ever talked to someone who tried to be productive in a communist country, you would know this.

This.

Why would I do anything productive under communism?

Guaranteed the paper cited is by a sociologist with 0 empirical methods. Commies love that shit to this day.

Seething cuckitalists ITT

Nah mate really; what's the point of communism?

To end the oppression of the working class by the elite

80s had an economic crisis in eastern bloc. My family also lived in poland so I know how life was back then.
>What if I want to save up a bunch of money and go on a 4 week vacation?
Then you do that
>What if I want exotic food?
Then you go and buy it
>What If I want a big appartment and am willing to make the necessary sacrifices for it?
Then you also do that. Do you think everyone lives in the same home and is literally the same under communism? To quote Marx.

"in the presentcase, are regarded only as workers and nothing more is seen in them, everything else being ignored.Further, one worker is married, another is not; one has more children than another, and so on and soforth. Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, onewill in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all thesedefects, right, instead of being equal, would have to be unequal."

>be communist
>give up all freedoms
>for measly gibs
>require massive social safety net to survive
>government can dick on you whenever it wants for whatever reason it wants
>capitalists are cucks

Ah alright. How does communism do that exactly then?

Because without money there will still exist those with charisma and knowhow to rise above the normal man.

So really all communism does is reset the situation. It doesn't solve anything.

and instead be repressed by nameless bureaucrats?

kek, at least capitalists get to choose their masters.

So what's the point in communism then?

Didn't the soviets send women to war? Way not to cuck.

the problem with communism is that it will transfer oppression into a new breed that is much worst than capitalism

OP btfo

Explain why the first people Gommies always fuck over is farmers then. Those people run their own family businesses and don't wagecuck, yet you steal their food and cause them to starve.

Simple, by abolishing private property and owning means of production as a society. Under capitalism you are forced to work the most amount of hours for profit, if a machine comes that reduces the production time you will simply work the same amount of time but produce more. Under communism if technology comes that cuts labor time you will work less.

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>Get job making chairs
>Boss gives tools and materials for chairs
>I make chairs
>Boss takes chairs and gives me money to spend on whatever I see fit
Vlad, you really gotta make me see whats wrong with that before you convert me to your shitty political view

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No you don't just buy a bigger appartment, because the state builds all appartments, and they don't build the nice luxury ones I like. They also forbid me from constructing my own or buying one from them.
I also don't go on a bigger vacation, because all the countries I am allowed to go to are commie shitholes. Also I don't even get permission to leave my shithole unless I brownose some comissars.
And I don't just buy nicer food, because that food is not available here. Because the totalitarian faggots governing me think I don't need that food, so it is never made available to me.

Why can't a person own property and farm so he doesn't have to be a wage slave?

>you just work less
>as you jealously eye what is beyond the wall
How many people were killed trying to exit the GDR vs trying to enter it?

Someone still manages trhe facotries you tool, humans organize themselves hierarchically.

>we lobsterz nigga

Well if you do not have to select for a man to provide for you by working hard you have to select for a man who either can game the system (rarer and mostly not an option) or you just pick the guy who you want to fuck.
Why would such a change of situation result in better fuck matching?...

what is more greedy the one saving his own money or the "masses" who wanted to take the money from the individual?

So if i make exotic food for this user will i get to keep the profits and use them to buy better means of production to produce more exotic food for more people, is that ok in your glorious communist utopia?

If someone buys curry and spices from another country and sells them to me for profit is that ok?

Seems like the only way to keep ypur system standing is to oppress the fuck out of everyone

socialism is scientific lol
never acknowledge hierarchy as natural itself

Why would I work at all? If nobody has the means to fund production I see no point in working for no reason. Businesses don't pop out of the ground.

hahahaha communism just swaps out who the elites are. at least with capitalism upward mobility is possible

Farmers are petit-bourg. They got fucked since there was a colectivization under Stalin which was done to make better use of farmland. Sadly because of various reasons it led to a famine. There weren't famines after the 40s.
He doesn't give you back what you've put in. Of course under socialism you also wouldn't get 100% back since we need to keep people who can't work alive, childeren, old, sick, etc.
No clue how many. But I should add it wasn't that people left only because GDR was opressive. The west got money from US to pay more to various high educated people from GDR to leave it. A wall while cruel is logical since people inside GDR should expect to have doctors and scientist.

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The scared communist will not actually answer this. Nor will they answer why how it's ethical to steal from others just because they agreed that it's okay to steal.

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So what you're saying is hard work is utterly pointless because you earn nothing in communism as all labour inherently has the same value.

A lazy worker us worth as much as z dedicated worker.

Left cant meme

ready your helicopters

How does the factory owner not give you back what you've put in? The only measure of the worth of what you've put in is how much others are willing to pay you for it. One person may have great difficulty making chairs while another does it easily. Are you saying they should get payed differently for the same chair because one put in more time and effort? Thats ludicrous. The only practical way to measure the worth of the labour is the market price of the labour

It's around 1 500 people who got killed trying to leave, there were also around 200 suicides in the border patrol, since they could expect to get the firing squad if they didn't have the stomach to shoot their fleeing "comrades".
0 people died trying to get into the GDR.
> The west got money from US to pay more to various high educated people from GDR to leave it.
Nice conspiracy theory you got there. Highly eductaed people left because they are abused in communism. They are expected to slave away while lazy shitbags do nothing.

Why? We reject your cucked, globalist, and authoritarian race-denying ideogy. Simple as that. You don't have a positive right to exist. Cry about that, please.

>He doesn't give you back what you put in
>Keeping people alive who can't work
You are aware of the contradiction in that right? Say i'm working and the commisar, in his never ending wisdom, tells me that i need to work harder to keep Ivan the Lame alive. Now, why should Ivan be kept alive when he will never pay back into society? Why should the workers of the world be forced to drag what is essentially dead weight behind them?

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Yeah, once capitalist (Jews) where allowed to operate within the ussr again.

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You forgot ivan is dead weight as well, but that's not real communism so it doesn't matter.

Because you want to eat? There will be work and everything. I don't get your point. In the future communist want to live in a near post-scarcity world where you barely would work. But that in the far future.
You won't be able to own a business privately unless it's very small. One that you alone yourself can hold or with family, friends, etc. Else it belongs to the society as a whole with you simply being in charge of it with state funding. Of course this doesn't mean that everyone can enter your shop and pick your exotic fruits.
No his labor time determines his worth which is compared to average labor time. Let's say the pace of work will be segrageted into four performance catagories A, B, C and D. The higher you go, the higher is your performace rated, the faster you worked, the more you will get paid.
Yeah pretty much. Those who work faster and better get paid more.
>Nice conspiracy theory you got there. Highly eductaed people left because they are abused in communism. They are expected to slave away while lazy shitbags do nothing.
There's no conspiracy. The west pretty much forgot about Nazism and accepted Nazis in their ranks. West pretty much didn't even need to pay back anything for the war and they also tried to fuck up the east.

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So Labour is not 100% equal then? So how do you justify no ownership of production when capital is required for production.

You have no argument against the factory owner.

The conspiracy theory is where doctors are paid by the west to leave the GDR, I don't give a fuck about your ongoing weird little internal struggle with fascists.

>believing niggers are our equals

okay cuck

The difference is a capitalist can work, right? others can't.
No, of course one man labor is not equal to other man. Thing is the factory owner makes us work for him and his profit. We simply could abolish that and the whole capitalist system to work less, in better conditions and with more wellfare and less inequality. By this I don't mean people will get shit for free, just that everyone can expect to have vacations, healthcare, school and a house. Also since the economy won't operate on profit and laws of the market we could have better enviroment policies.

>makes thread calling capitalists cucks
>now advocates for getting cucked by the disabled
whew lad

You are not getting class-cucked

>boss is entitled to
He's not entitled to anything, I willingly accepted his offer to produce surplus value for his company
Nigger

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So what if I work hard and then earn enough money to start a business; can I do that in communism?

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>this thread
fuck you losers would pick up arms and fight for the feudal lords, because this is how weak and cucked you guys are

>muh helicopters
how about you show how the right figths IRL? you get your ass handed to you everytime and you cry how violent the left is lmao

>muh chinks
pretty cringe

See how shit your rethoric is? This is all you can resort to.
Humans organize themselves hierarchically. One of the primary modes of organization is economic organization. Someone will always be above you. You will always be a cuck.
Words are cheap kurwa.

>calls you a cuck
>wants you to support a slave state

You’re a fucking retard OP. If I don’t like my boss, I can go work somewhere else. Or better yet, start my own business and be the boss.

But shit like that never occurs to you lazy societal leaches.

Okay but as a third positionist I support neither of these things nor total egalitarianism. Ethnic self determination being legitimised for europeans and european descended populations is ultimately what I would like to see in my life time and perhaps a rejection of both porky and the merchant. Under what conditions could we co-operate? Seriously.

You're a joke niglet

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>Humans organize themselves hierarchically
why would workers who are stronger than the employer tolerate an old fat CEO? hierarchy demand they kick his ass and seize his assets

>capitacuck states sabotage and sanction socialist countries
>LOOK HOW INEFFICIENT THEY ARE GUIS

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Why are you such a greedy fuck? Can you not be satisifed with what you have?

>trade stops between two nations
>one goes down the shitter and the other prospers irregardless
hmmmmm

Funny, capitacucks always told me that capitalism works because greed is the basic human impulse

Under higher stage communism? No that's supposed to be in far future which we pretty much have post-scarcity. I mean you could but it wouldn't really matter then unless you enjoy it. Under socialism and lower stage communism? Sure, historically USSR allowed small businesses to operate, mostly services. Yugoslavia had market socialism which pretty much were co-ops owned by the state In which you had workplace elections. You wont be allowed to own a giant mega corp though.
Your image doesn't really follow logic. It makes more sense for porky to give the blame on Jews than the Jews on porky. Jews are a part of porky while porky isn't a part of Jews.
Because like we all know no one worries about his boss and changes his work when he feels like it. This kinda happened in USSR btw since with near 100% employment enterprise managers are forced to listen to workers demands.
The thing is you can't stop immigration without abolishing the market. Immigrants are cheap labor so you will have immigrations under capitalism for profit gain. And trust me the capitalist like you milion times more than they do me.

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Well why don't socialist countries sabotage and sanction back? Except they did, but no one cared.

>I don't even need to reply to the commie's counter argument
Danke sehr mein Freund

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Its easy mr kurwa. You are a leech like every other shithead that thinks communism works

>Why dont we just kill ceos and grab their assets?

Why dont you do it you sack of shit? Go to your local store and kill the owner and when the police batons your ass say "we wuz proletariat n shieeeet"

Untermensch

Start your own company then and cuck others? Oh no wait, you don't have the drive to do it. You just know how to whine :-)

So your greed is more justified than piggies greed?

Socialists are evi......

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Lets be real another reason for their importation is to do with jewish hatred of europeans as well as the fact their behaviour is typically more consumptive. They essentially are scabs with a touch of a rape issue but really I don't feel any rage at the migrant. I feel rage at the jewish and capitalist attacks on my civilisation and history. Trannyism is a mental illness that deserves gulag, usury is a crime which deserves gulag, zionism is illegitimate and the responsibility for exploitation of children in my country lies with the politicians, and the zionists who push these people into europe. The offenders should simply be shot against a cobble minecraft wall and the innocent asked politely to leave.

...dently a bunch of fucking retards

Thomas Sankara is 1000 leagues above any 'leader' your shithole of a nation has ever spewed from its Jewsish lands

That really rolls of the tongue

Sankara is based as fuck. Literally my hero.
I don't really believe in Jews hatred of europeans or migrants being evil. What I do believe is Isreal is pretty much an US's imperialist military base.

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So basically it's "trust me guys, once we get to late stage you can do whatever and you'll want for nothing!", except to get there you have to spend an indeterminate amount of time working for an even more cucked version of the previous system where you're not only not free to open a business to invest your acquired capital (or to buy property), but have part of said capital cut out to help carry dead weight while having no possibility for vertical movement within the workplace?
Sounds like fucking hell, and that's before you mentioned a wall being necessary.No wonder you've never even gotten close to that utopia.

WHAT KIND OF FUCKING SUBVERSION SHIT IS THIS??

Where did I say you are forced to work the same job without getting a raise in income? You could work for let's say 5 years and at the end of the period decide to change jobs if you want. I never said you won't have any mobility. With the business thing you can shut up. We will have co-ops and the like but to have whole class society because some "soon-to-be-milionaire" wants it is absurd. Whenever the wall is necesary will depend on the country, no? East Germany was poorer and unlike west had to repay for the war so of course it was a better deal for a high educated east-German to move west. Should they let all of them go so that east will have less doctors and scientist? It hardly was an ideal situation and likewise it didn't have a ideal solution.
>"trust me guys, once we get to late stage you can do whatever and you'll want for nothing!"
Yeah if we could all sustain ourself and our needs with only three hours of work I don't see why people should be forced to do more.

The problem here is how you instantly label the "soon-to-be millionaire" as someone who must be taken down, same for the boss. Except not everyone is part of the British Royal family or the son of some megacorp owner, lots of these rich business owners got there by working and investing their money properly yet you want to take from them the means of production that they paid for because you're not where they are? Would you still feel it's justified if it was the other way around? would you give everything you own to workers and join their ranks because they feel exploited for not being as rich as their employer? What kind of twisted logic is that?

the memes are weak.

Socialism: from each according to ability, to each according to need. Following that line of thinking, an ugly, neck-beard would be entitled to fuck (the need) any woman (the ability).
Anyone that buys into socialism is just some lonely faggot that wants a state mandated companion to rape. Degeneracy.

>(((porky)))

Show your flag. I wanna see what country you come from.

Sure, there are people who worked themselves up, Problem is their families stay with the wealth, Their childeren inherit it, They get send to better schools, etc. Sooner or later a lot of them won't be self-made. We all know how you like to point to the Rothschilds, don't we?
Socialism is from each acording to his ability, to each according to his work.

Hahahah you fucking retard what has happen everytime you communist fucks gotten into power oh yeah fucking elite control everything you are poor starving and risk pretty much death every day under your shit ideaology you dont know shit about communism you larping cuck

I'm from the Netherlands but my family is from Poland.
That's a rational and unemotional response.