capitalism

No, the workers are free to find employment elsewhere. Face it, moron, given a choice of working for one's self, or working for someone else, ANYONE would choose to work for himself. The only reason to work for someone else would be that he kames more money working for someone else than he would working for himself. When a company LOSES money, do the employees chip in to reimburse the owner?

How about they stay the same and we pay much less?

Workers cannot work somewhere where this doesnt exist. You have given your idea a second thought. You take in talking points just like the left.

Think for yourself.

* never given

>don't make bread
>there's no bread
commies be like

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Talentless and parasitic people are allowed to thrive in capitalism

People who are best at manipulating the system and handle money , marketing,sales are the ones that the system rewards the most, while every other things comes second, capital is the dominating force, but these professions are completely detached from real production, they are just made valuable by the system itself which is itself just an abstraction. I would say a doctor, a scientist or even a nurse are more valuable and benefit society and people more than some banker or investor, or pornstar.

The government stealing from people is not capitalism.

I'm not advocating for communism.

Employers stealing from employees is capitalism.

I think since this one is labeled "capitalism," the 20% refers to their wages relative to the wealth they "create," not taxing 80% percent. Monopoly man is taking the excess wealth instead of the state

Do you think that the companies just sprung out of the ground like mushrooms after a rainstorm? The owner saved money, word hard, and built the company. Think for yourself, if you low IQ brain is capable. Which, sadly, it is not. You have admitted that the workers would have NO income if the owner had not created the business. The owner is owed GRATITUDE, not hatred. You believe that building a business is easy, and anyone can do it. But, laborers can't accomplish this easy task, for some reason. Think for yourself, instead of buying the lies of low IQ thieves.

This is what you defend.

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In what way are employers stealing from their employees?

They take the surplus value that the laborer created.

Yes, it is. I owe no one anything. No free healthcare, no free education, no free housing. Each person is responsible for himself, and his offspring. The fact that you need something does not give you the right to steal what I have.

Employees and employers agree to that voluntarily, so it's not theft.

Why don't the workers just stay home, and keep all of their precious surplus value for themselves?

If that were the case I’d point out they all seem pretty eager to get in that door instead of opening shop themselves.

I want to burn all money, and unironically live in a world without industrial technology and so on. Struggle breeds strength. We'll never approach perfection (as a species) sitting on our asses with iphones

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If they stayed at home there would be no surplus created, cause they wouldn't work idiot.

>80% tax rate
Obviously communism

Damn stubborn humans and their natural tendencies for safe alternatives instead of risk and uncertainty.

commie

> We'll never approach perfection (as a species) sitting on our asses with iphones
Unfortunately that's what most people do these days.

Its not voluntary if you have to work for someone else to survive.

Meanwhile, at OP location.

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Dumb fuck

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Geniuenly wondering, why do commies and leftist believe it takes no work to get rich while wage slavery is the hardest thing to do?
Then why don't these commies earn millions doing nothing if its so easy to do?

Who is forcing you (or anyone else) to work?

The capitalist system. I have to work for someone else who takes the surplus I create in order to pay rent, buy food etc.

Start your own company, or are you so far in debt with a student loan with a useless degree that your fucked for the rest of your adult life?

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Its still not voluntary if I have to start a business to survive. same shit different name as the saying goes.

Which people in the system are forcing you to work?

Start your own company up, or are you too lazy/stupid to this?

Talentless and parasitic people are allowed to thrive in capitalism

People who are best at manipulating the system and handle money , marketing,sales are the ones that the system rewards the most, while every other things comes second, capital is the dominating force, but these professions are completely detached from real production, they are just made valuable by the system itself which is itself just an abstraction. I would say a doctor, a scientist or even a nurse are more valuable and benefit society and people more than some banker or investor, or pornstar.

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embarrassed to post with a burger flag. sad!

>work hard
>keep 20%

That's 20% more you get to keep than if you were a communist

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An-prim utopia WHEN

So you want free shit then? This is easy comrade, move to one of several socialist/communist countries to get the free gibbs you so desperately seek. Why are you still living in the oppressive west when glorious workers paradise exists in the world? Why have you not moved yet?

I don't understand, why would people queue up to work hard and keep 20%? Wouldn't they all queue for the no work and free stuff side?

True, communism doesn't work, but neither does capitalism.

> gommie thread again
Labor theory of value is a lie created by a jew from a family of talmud scholars. It is a nonsense and it is used to put nation's working class against nation's upper class, as well as to assign an equivalence between running a factory and Jewish usury.

Huh, it’s almost like there is some value in the owning and operation of a shop beyond merely the labor and output.

yeah says the faggot

I never said that.

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Why don't people just be owners instead then? capitalism is a system in which you're free to choose so why would people not simply choose to do no work and get free stuff?

>I have to survive
>blame Mr. Shekelberg for giving you a job
>not the mother nature jew

I mean, you don't *have* to survive...

Your so right comrade, because the people in China, North Korea, Cuba and even Venezuela have it so much better. The state takes care of them, they get free education, free housing, and free medical care, just to name a few benefits. But for some reason, your still here, why is that?

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This picture just shows the commie ideology is about greed and envy. In fact, given how concise and effective it is, I suspect it wasn't even a leftie who made it.

Hahah I'm as anti-commie as it gets. Commies are jealous materialists who think life should be easy simply because they exist. I'm quite the opposite and wouldn't hesitate to put several bullets into a commie if he refused to change positions.
Now, before you accuse me of anything further, I don't want this just in white countries. It has to be a global phenomenon to work. After that, the white man can rule again

The only thing that works is a perfect 50/50 of both

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

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Read Capital.

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Sure, its not like you need assloads to get past regulatiins, not to mention the shit you have buy...plus the fact that it might not takeoff because alot businesses fail all if the time.... fucking retard boomer

did the talmud scholars contribute to their field of education the same way you did when you earned your PhD?

I know, right? There are so many people starving to death under this system, it just amazes me as to why millions of people risk their lives to try and enter illegally.

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why don't you teleport behind statists?

Those countries are in bad shape because of capitalism and its western oligarchs, but communism doesn't work anyway, except for china I guess. Those countries also have capitalism just a different form of it.

itt jews

>only reaction is to post a dumb face

Let me guess, you're in a parasitic industry that produces literally nothing of value like sales, insurance, marketing or some shit. You are a piece of shit.

haha wall of text meme

yeah instead people in capitalism are addicted to opioids , live in tent on streets and can't afford healthcare.

You want free shit, like a basic income, right? You don't want to work hard and get ahead like the rest of us. I bet your a college student with a useless degree that is now drowning in debt who can't get started in life because of your own idiocy, correct?

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Lefties really just don't understand how capitalism even works, huh

Whatever you say m8.

No they never say that. Never... not at all.
AOC wants 70%. Warren wants 80% Omar wants 90%. It’s a race to the bottom for you retards.

Because Marx theory of value is flawed and false but all their mental capacity is spent memorizing the buzzwords to earn good boy points from their peers

And yet people do it all the time. Perhaps if you were smarter, you could succeed in building your business, but no, you want a free handout because your unwilling to work hard. Lots of jobs in the economy right now such as the trades, but hard work is just not your style.

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You must work in one of those industries.

hyuck

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In the glorious state of the PRK, where social programs and unchecked illegal immigration are choking the economy. Did you know that 25% of all homeless people in the US live in the PRK? Really makes you think...

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I don't care about what forms after the collapse. Statists will always win because people are afraid of independence, which is fine. So long as I have an opportunity to see mankind flourish again, and to kill some kikes and Commies, I'll be able to rest

Nothing is ever free. Goddamn commies get it through your thick skulls.

>Then why don't these commies earn millions doing nothing if its so easy to do?
It's easy to do if you're inheriting capital.

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They do it's just that their understanding is..

Evil rich people stole all the money from black people and if they give it back we would all be millionaires who stay indoors all day making art using period blood.

Capitalism kills at least 20 million yearly

>Labor theory of value

Literally invented by Adam Smith who crapitalist shills worship. But associated with Marx just because he adapted it to make it more accurate.

Adam Smith made a mistake, Marx spinned it into a huge lie.

>muh all lefties are SJWs

Yeah I'm sure that's Slavoj Zizek's interpretation of history and economics.

>See all these starving niggers in ex soviet republics?
>Capitalism is killing them
>That's why we should bring them to Capitalist countries

Refute my argument...pro tip, you can't. If our system is so fucking bad, then why do millions of people enter our country illegally every year? If this system is so bad, why are you still here? Let me guess, your a white 20s something male from a middle class background that still lives at home and is hampered by tens of thousands in student loans that cannot get a job because of a bullshit college degree, and refuses to get a real job...right?

Which is the case maybe 1% of the time. The fact that someone's father left him his property does not entitle you to steal it. If EVERYON who has "capital" inherited it, from whom did the initial holder inherit it? It is no surprise that you do not have a job. You are stupid, entitled, and obnoxious.

You really OWNED your strawman there

Nope, but at least I work :)

>lefties are SJWs
I mean... leftists are mentally ill faggots

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Kek. And your source for that statistic is?

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> Slavoj Zizek
> more or less supports every sjw cause, just any them to focus on marxist economic demands as well
> literally supports flooding Europe with shitskins, believes that Europeans should be brainwashed into supporting it