What is your opinion on gnosticism, it seems to make the most sense out of any currently established religions...

>Gnosticism is Jewish version of Platonism
KYS gnosticism has nothing to do with platonism

Based

Wrong

Lying dumb Christkike.

Hitlerism, as Otto Rahn would say, was Luciferian. Lucifer is the Morning Star. I am a Luciferian in the sense that Lucifer is the Morning Star, “the most beautiful light,” and the Morning Star is a God-Goddess Venus. It is more than a planet, it is a comet that stopped where it is now in order to remind the divine men of their own spiritual origin, and to show them the way to recover it. Contrary to misconceptions, Lucifer has nothing to do with “satanism,” which is manipulated by secret services such as the CIA, M-12, Intelligence Service and the Mossad, etc., in order to destroy the real spiritual current and the Archetype of Hitler.

The gospel of Judas is perhaps one of the most important gnostic gospels, explain what platonic elements it has.

Consult the book.

If you consult the christian writers of the first few centuries who wrestled against gnosticism you would see that they make it clear that the Fall should be seen as an event of universal consequences from which man and Nature come out degraded and in bondage to both sin, death and decay. The imperfections of the world are not a result of Gods creation but the Fall brought about by humanities disodience to him.

Still you can have freedom from the slavery of sin if you accept Christ

>eat apple
>the universe becomes ruined
>but it's not gods fault
>he is legit

The kike makes it dumber and dumber.

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Dumbfuck.
You derive your entire conception of "gnosis" and the Demiurge from Platonism, you retarded kike.

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Invented by kikes in Egypt to Jew the Neoplatonists

Now it's feminism

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>KYS gnosticism has nothing to do with platonism
HAHAHAHAHA...

You retarded masonic iluminati New Age trannies are so silly.

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"I want to be religious but not Christian" the religion.
It's a fashion trend for hypocrite narcicists who want to feel unique but not counter cultural at the same time.

Gnostics are the same shit as politic centrists. Nobody gives a shit about them and they shouldn't exist.
They are deluded as every fanatic.

All esoteric paths are an attempt to map the same inner territory. It is important not to get so attached to exploring the maps that we never go explore the actual territory.

>the retarded platonist of every day

Yeah rather, I will remind you, as I do always, that gnosis isn't noesis, but GNOSIS, and it means aprehended knowledge by experience, similar to the buddhist and hindu nirvana, all these religions have the same concept of salvation.

And I will remind you too that not all gnostic gospels fall into using platonism, for the sole reason that not all gnostics were platonists, some were and user their knowledge to explain their situation with what they thought would bea good example.

Like everyday you come here to subvert gnosticism with your retarded philosophy.

You have no idea what "new age" means.

>gnosis isn't noesis, but GNOSIS,
They are the synonymous, you absolute retard.
>not all gnostic gospels fall into using platonism
So you admit most of them do
Lets go over the basic history
>Gnosticism originated in the late first century CE in nonrabbinical Jewish sects
>Both Sethian Gnostics and the Valentinian Gnostics incorporated elements of Christianity and Hellenic philosophy as it grew, including elements from Plato, Middle Platonism and Neo-Pythagoreanism.(All of these things the same in essence)
>Scholarship on Gnosticism has been greatly advanced by the discovery and translation of the Nag Hammadi texts, which shed light on some of the more puzzling comments by Plotinus and Porphyry regarding the Gnostics
Important to remember, Plotinus called Gnostics total faggots abusing Platonist metaphysics.
>subvert gnosticism with your retarded philosophy.
Gnosticism has not produced 1 great thinker in all its history.
Plato is the cornerstone of Western philosophy.
Who's retarded now?

>They are the synonymous
Noesis: Intuition
Gnosis: Knowledge (directly aprehended, experiential)

Ok, so this is the last bit of attention I'm giving you, you are so retarded you think intuition equals direct experience of somethign.

KYS

Noesis is Understanding and Intelligence
>directly aprehended
I doubt you possess the intelligence to see how hard you've just been BTFO.

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That's a funny way of shilling judaism

>you've just been BTFO
>because I'm imagining similarities
>so you must be BTFO
>I mean, why is everyone meditating like this was hinduism
>it must be platonism
>it escapes my thoughts that platonism seems to have a semblance with hinduism too
>it couldn't be that gnosticism is simply a religion much like buddhism and hinduism that appeared in another part of the world and thus was described with what was available
>no
>they were just vandalizing muh plato
>most gnostics were platonists surely
>they did it because that's what they believed
>even though in gnosticism the belief is the least important thing
>what could this all mean?
>the belief is not important and I'm focusing on something about the beleif?
>am I really being retarded?
>Of course not, I must have BTFO him.

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n the third century CE both Christianity and neo-Platonism reject and turn against Gnosticism, with neo-Platonists as Plotinus, Porphyry and Amelius attacking the Sethians. John D. Turner believes that this double attack led to Sethianism fragmentation into numerous smaller groups (Audians, Borborites, Archontics and perhaps Phibionites, Stratiotici, and Secundians).

Plotinus considered his Gnostic opponents "heretics", "imbeciles" and "blasphemers" erroneously arriving at misotheism as the solution to the problem of evil, taking all their truths over from Plato. Plotinus' main objection to the Gnostic teachings he encountered was to their rejection of the goodness of the demiurge and of the material world. He attacked the Gnostics for their vilification of Plato's ontology of the universe as contained in the Timaeus. Plotinus accused Gnosticism of vilifying the demiurge or craftsman that shaped the material world, and so ultimately for perceiving the material world as evil, or as a prison. Plotinus set forth that the demiurge is the nous (as an emanation of the One), which is the ordering principle or mind, also reason. Plotinus was critical of the gnostic derivation of the Demiurge from Wisdom as Sophia, the anthropomorphic personification of wisdom as a feminine spirit deity not unlike the goddess Athena or the Christian Holy Spirit. These objections seem applicable to some of the Nag Hammadi texts, although others such as the Valentinians, or the Tripartite Tractate, appear to insist on the goodness of the world and the Demiurge

Fuck off with your Jewish ideology, fag.

btw, hinduism and gnosticism have little in common

Platonism and Hinduism can both be categorized in simplistic terms of dialectical monism. Monism with Dualistic aspects.
Your imagined similarities with Hinduism are a result of plagiarizing Platonism.

Retard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_unwritten_doctrines
>According to the prevailing view of researchers today, although the two principles are considered elements of a finally monistic system, they also have a dualistic aspect
Get fucked you kike.

Gnosticism
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliotheca_Philosophica_Hermetica
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Quispel
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_Academy_(Florence)
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonism_in_the_Renaissance
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetica
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Pico_della_Mirandola
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web.mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/web publishing/pico_oration.htm
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsilio_Ficino
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Kabbalah
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Didn't read lol

You should probably learn what Monism is you illiterate faggot.

You don't know what you are talking about.

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Gnostics are gay and dumb: news at 11

>h-he must be ignorant
I know more about religion that you will ever know

>Gnostic talks out of experience and indepth study of religion
>Retard speaks about knowing platonism
>retard wants to be right

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>get shown out as definitively ignorant
>"i-i am enlightened by my own noses"

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You don't even know what monism is lol

You'll never find a single self-proclaimed Gnostic who can draw on evidence and literature to substantiate their argument.

Gnosticism is Dualistic,comic tier trash with one of the worst mythologies ever devised by kikes.

Gnosticism logically ends in racemixing.
All the worst tendencies of modern Christianity are present in gnostic anti-materialism.
Muh "neither jew nor greek, goy" logic is pushed toward literally thinking there are no differences between peoples.
As opposed to the "God doesn't hate niggers just for being niggers so don't exterminate them like ants please" interpretation that it's meant to be.

checked

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Alternatively, let's say that God is all powerful and controls reality. Let's say that life IS a test. If that's the case, regardless of why God did it, I wouldnt want to be on his bad side when I die. Just saying. That's what scares me.

My opinion is that it's superstitious nonsense just like mainstream religions.

>Hitler is Christian
>bans neopaganism, freemasonry, judaism, satanism
>Jow Forums claims Hitler is always right
>hates Christianity, turns to neopaganism, freemasonry, judaism, satanism
Holy shit, Jow Forums broke in the face of evil and started worshipping the gods of her enemies. Disgusting traitors, that's what you are.

>Gnosticism is Dualistic,comic tier trash
Valentinian Gnosticism is a form of monism, expressed in terms previously used in a dualistic manner

Let's everyone ignore this retard

Every religion ends in racemixing, because you are not the flesh

Go ahead and become the satanist you always were and worship the flesh (the race).

>is-this fringe form of gnosticism that's been dead for 1600 years wasn't like all the other mainstream forms of gnosticism
>everyone please ignore the truth

The totality of all forms of gnosticism are in any way nondualistic, since you and the supreme god are one and the same, being you a divine spark of he.

But then again you're some retard with a profound rage against gnosticism because gnostics escaped and you didn't and now you have to be submissive in the bed with your butt to Jehova.

Its also the form thats actually being handed out via... gnosis.

What are you escaping, certainly not the ridicule and condescension of the people around you.

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>the ridicule and condescension of the people around you.
Well, yes, I am escaping that since it is reserved for christians like you :)

It's garbage, repent

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Look the result is israel !
Fuck you niggerjew

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It's the truth.

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>currently established religions
Why not take a little from everything? The original meme still exists, but has been reinterpreted, mistranslated, censored or outright destroyed by conquering faiths like Christianity and Islam.
Analyze them all and look for a common theme, especially in their symbolic/mystic interpretations, since a lot of it gets lost in the literalism and modern dogma.
That said, Gnosticism is interesting to think about as the first real sect of Christianity. The faith had a lot to gain philosophically by teaming up with them, but were too superstitious. The Jews’ account of genisis doesn’t help either, since the Chaldean account was probably more accurate.

>christian speaks in public
>everyone laughs
>gnostic speaks in public
>seems plausible that bible god is a cunt

100% verified by me.

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Gnosticism is the final result of the Fedora.
They are atheists who thought it sounded cool because its name implies enlightenment and euphoria.

It really suits them, too, since their whole worldview is essentially:
>F-fuck the geometry of the universe, god bullied me all my life and he's an asshole

You really have to be some kind of big-time social reject to fall into this sort of worldview. I'm talking even worse than the usual type you might expect on Jow Forums, like full on Chris-Chan levels of mentally fucked.

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100% knew this was a christian and 100% knew his last resort would be posting fedoras

>so mad he responded twice

I'm more of a Platonist.
One of the most common themes of agreement between Platonists and Christians is how pathetic you are.

>I'm more of a Platonist.
No, you are a christian who hates gnostics, case closed, go look inside your fedora folder for insight.

>No, you are a christian who hates gnostics
No, I'm a Platonist who hates Gnostics.
Don't you remember how my every post has been what terrible Jewish plagiarists you are, stealing from the legitimate ideas of Plato and twisting them into something dumb and gay?

Have my posts not been quoting Platonist philosophers who called you wretched idiots? I have not argued from a Christian viewpoint in any of my posts.

I am simply describing you for what you are.
Your entire worldview is built around Christianity, and why you hate the Christian God, who you perceive as the Demiurge.

Which I find hilarious, because I'm a gnostic without platonic ideas, I use hindu/buddhist ideas instead because they better reflect my experiences.

All in all you're a retard.

>Imagine being so retarded you call platonist a guy who discarded the platonism of a religion and substituted it for eastern woo.

>i-i made up my own version of gnosticism so THERE
Why don't you just LARP as a Hindu then, cringelord?
Does its name not sound Fedora enough?
Maybe you should call your new religion Enlightened by my Own Intelligence.
It means the same thing as Gnostic except easily understood by everyone who hears it.

>because you are not the flesh
literally what
Christianity specifically takes issue over gnosticism's claim that a person is not his body, but is instead muh consciousness trapped inside of a shell that needs to die.
Denial of sinful worldly pleasures is not the denial that your body is yours. Your body is to be treated as a temple to God, faggot.
There's a reason you don't cut yourself during lent, but instead give up one of your vices. We are to suffer as Christ suffered, but not to destroy ourselves. Self-destruction is anti-Christian and precisely why the jonestown tier suicide cult that is the gnostic heresy is the antithesis of healthy.

No secret knowledge for you, bucko. Wash your penis.

Kek. You got it the wrong way around brother.

>it seems to make the most sense out of any currently established religions

Which is, when you consider it, no sense at all

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>Why don't you just LARP as a Hindu then, cringelord?
I don't LARP.

I got results from my practice and this is why I have the belief what I have.

You cannot say the same, LARPer.

>I got results from my practice
Being a fat failure at everything, including trying to preach on a Mongolian basket weaving forum?

Someone post the real one, where the based ironpilled chad debunk every single panel. Cant do that myself atm

I've read that book.

It's easy to believe that God is a cunt when you have fucked up your life. To believe that God is good amidst all your suffering, that's a real test of faith.

Haven't really studied it but whenever I've heard people talk about it seemed wrong. It looks like it mixes some Platonism to Semitic superstitions. Ditch the Judaism and be Platonist.

I don't really preach, your salvation is your own responsibility

I hope you'll find it one day user.
After you stop LARPing as an Egyptian Jew.

Heretical at best. There’s a lot of Jews involved in the last century.

I really am saved, I'm sure you find cute your beliefs and you get to play with old looking books that sound impressive and commanding, which wakes up your feminine nature, but I did get saved doing meditationg, calling it gnosticism is my conjecture (which could be wrong) based on my experiences, I could have called it Fabrizzio Puccellini and it would still be a set of spiritual things that happened to me.

new age satanism is an established religion.

wow. nice.

Yes I am sure you are saved in your mind, and enlightened by your own flatulence.

I am sure too, I'm glad we agree.

>in your mind
This is called psychosis.
Glad we agree you mentally ill dumbfuck.

I've been reading it. It has no Saul of Tarsus. It has insight into the mind of God. It explains the symbolic nature of Christ and divinity of man. Of course (((they))) would surpress it.

Jews literally invented it.

It's not the apple fault, it's not the snakes fault, it's not Eve's fault. The apple is knowledge of God. That is what separates us from animals. The apple is Christ.

>>in your mind
Yes, as you cannot trust outside sources, maybe read into solipsism retard.

I found out you were on VICE

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Jesus wasn't Jewish. He was Nazarene.

I don't LARP my belief, no one else on Jow Forums can say the same, most especially a half platonist, half christian, half otherkin

More of the same anti-life, anti-world bullshit peddled by standard Christians, except wrapped in a way that at least promotes thought and self betterment. Worth learning about.

holy checked

>I don't LARP my belief, no one else on Jow Forums can say the same
You're certainly LARPing, fedoraman, you just don't know it.
>half platonist, half christian, half otherkin
That's a pretty apt description of Gnautism.

Christians are the worst religion

I am pleased that my gnosis makes you butthurt, I get proud when it makes others mad.

A huge amount of Gnosticism comes from Platonism

>I am pleased that my mental illness makes you butthurt
I would say I am more amused

No, the reason why platonism is used is because it is good, in the case of gnosticism, to draw parallels and explain their ideas. Gnostics didn't really care much about dogma, they cared about experience, and they wrote these text to code their ideas in, they didn't believe in platonism even if they used platonism, they didn't believe in Jesus either.