A simple question to all pagans and atheist on this board

Even though I am not a Christian, I want to ask all of you this one simple question.


D O E S J O H N 4 : 3 3 C O M E B E F O R E O R A F T E R R E V E L A T I O N 3 : 9 ?

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Excuse me, John 4:22*

ill be bumping with scriptures

7 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

>22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Jews do not exist anymore Talmudist Judaism in its current form is younger than Christianity is designed to be anti Christian

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2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

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Still, I demand an answer for question about John 4:22. Does it come BEFORE or AFTER the Revelation 3:9?

Why would you ask pagans and athiests for information on the bible which they've probably never read. Shit most christians probably haven't read the bible. They were talking about Jesus coming from a jewish bloodline and that the jews knew better than to turn against God but decided to do it anyway even with all their purported understanding. Where as revelation 3:9 is specifically talking about the nation of israel and all the zionist jews. Jews lie when they say they worship the same God as Christians because without the son they don't have the father.

The bible was written by man, so many times over.
The words of god are written in your heart, from within
No man is good

if you mean in terms of when it was written then yes it came before revelations 3:9 because Jesus was already resurrected when John was given the book of revelations.

I am asking this since for some reason, many people have jumped on a retarded train about how Christianity is basically Judaism 2.0, and I want to clear some things up. I again ask, does John 4:22 come before or after the Revelation 3:9?

im trying to find a certain scripture that answers your question one moment please it will clarify

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you mean lexicographicaly? john is before revelation, but I'm guessing you have something clever about this.

OH WELL, THANK FUCK, SOMEONE ANSWERED, THANK YOU SO MUCH!

Now with that mind, here is my opinion: In order for some verse to be completely valid, it has to be the most recent one. John 4:22 was created much earlier than Revelation 3:9, which means that the verse means basically jackshit.

Lmao you pathetic christcuck never fail to make me laugh with your "/christian/ humor" threads

Fact is, most Pagans will be infinitely more whiter than any of you sad virgins ever will be. You are on the wrong side of history, get over it losers

That is also true about Islam, take a look at this redpill about Jihad to see what I mean. This is where the meme "Religion of Peace" came from because of this one fucking outdated verse.

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>John 4:22 come before or after the Revelation 3:9?
John is placed before Revelation in the Bible. Was this it?

i answer again it doesn't make a difference but chronologically yes it came before revelations 3:9 because Jesus had already been resurrected by the time John was given the book of revelations.
also you really should read the rest of that chapter if you take it in the context which it was given suddenly it clears up the confusion.

The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:

18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

Indeed, by that logic in mind, we have to find out which one is the true valid verse.
This so called "Judeo-Christianity" is based of an outdated verse which is basically where this whole "muh Christianity is a zionist tool" meme came from. What do these people forget is that there is a law in which it states that the later verses have more priority. So John 4:22 doesn't worth shit, and only empowers the fact that this Christianity we are currently seeing right now is fake.

>What do these people forget is that there is a law in which it states that the later verses have more priority.
Christianity is not Islam.

in fact if you go even further back in the chapter biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 4&version=KJV
she identifies herself as a gentile and Jesus told her that the jews would deny the truth of their messiah and the disciples didn't tell her to get lost, they didn't say scram don't bother the christ. oh no they marveled that he spoke with her.

>which is the valid verse
they are both valid when taken in context of themselves. Stop trying to interpret a single line of the chapter and read the whole thing it becomes clear jesus revealed himself as the messiah and told that the jews wouldn't worship the father because they would reject the truth.

Alright, then riddle me this shit. What was the cause of abolishing slavery in the West despite the fact that in the Old Testament, slavery was considered A-OK? You cannot tell me that it's not Christianity, because it was.

Based swedishmeatball

They are all valid, indeed, but what has more importance is the question here. Say no, why so many people say that slavery is immoral and "unchristian" when in fact in the Old Testament it says you can own slaves? It is simple, because the New Testament came much later on, which stated that no one should be a slave to the other man.

Before.
Christ's entire purpose was to destroy the Old Covenant (Talmudic/Pharisaic Judaism) and replace it with the "New and Eternal" Covenant (Slave Morality). The salvation of Christ is the forgiveness of Original Sin committed by Adam: this Original Sin was why ancient Jews circumcised and lived with the restrictions of Leviticus: they were being punished. Therefore, the salvation of Christ is found exclusively through the theological background that was Judaism. Without an understanding of Jewish belief, sentiment, and tradition, it is impossible to understand the sacrifice Christ made, the reasons for it, and its implications.
Therefore, the conventional Christian belief is that the Jews are 1) living in direct violation of Christ's will, and 2) Guilty of deicide for using Pilate to kill Christ.
The practicality was that this allowed the rich and powerful figures in the Old World to turn the Jews into an administrative bureaucratic class, providing a layer of insulation between the feudal goyim cattle and themselves, while the Jews are kept in an uncomfortable position of being unreplacable and immobile: trapped between goyim who hated and resented them and the truly rich, who signed their paychecks. The only real difference between then and now is that now it's neofeudal instead of feudal, which means that the Jews now work for shadow oligopolies instead of monarchs
This is why Revelation 3:9 names the Synagogue of Satan while John says that salvation comes from the Jews.

Simply put the reason slavery was abolished is that it became more profitable in the north not to have slaves, while it was more profitable in the south to keep them as slaves we fought a big war over it, the bloodiest war in american history in which more Americans died than any other war in our history (which is saying a lot because Americans love going to war) and the north won. It had very little to do with religious perspective and everything to do with votes / making money.

Slavery is justified in the New Testament also. Slavery wasn't abolished because some new bible verse that contradicted the earlier one and thereby overriding it.

What are you even talking about?

neither is more important than the other because they both say the same thing when read in context of the chapter which they were written. You could take a single quote out of any speech in history and apply a private interpretation to soil the message of the speech. Even the devil tried to use scriptures to tempt Jesus.

Still, Christianity, like Islam, is a monotheistic religion. Later verses have much more importance, say no, why almost nobody preaches about Old Testament as much as people preach about the New one? It is clear here that the New Testament has morally and practically more importance then the Old Testament (which is basically the entire Torah without the New Testament)

>serbian slime can't understand difference between the real jews that existed at the time and the fake jews who rejected him and were the synagogue of satan.

13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.

14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

i cannot find the specific one im looking for cause im a retard it is him saying though and i paraphrase that they have lost their favor wilth the Lord and their blessing will fall upon another nation/people aka the Christians / Europeans but it's more complicated than that

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

The ten lost tribes were the ten of the Twelve Tribes of Israel that were said to have been deported from the Kingdom of Israel after its conquest by the Neo-Assyrian Empire circa 722 BCE

fun fact Israel was lost ALONG time ago Judah / Judea are Benjamin and Judah tribes (where Jew come fromis Judah) and were are odds with the nation of ISRAEL

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May I ask for source please then?

These threads are always incredible. Christcucks show their hands, their suicidal blind faith. The absolute rejection of their own family, friends, community, ethnicity, race, species and the environment of this earth JUST for the SELFISH PROMISE of POSSIBLE heaven is quite incredible.

>Christcucks are just like the jihadists who do everything for their 72 virigins.
>The only difference is that the christcucks are commanded to do nothing.

Never to stand up for themselves
Never to defend their people
Never worry about what mess they leave behind on this earth for their own
"but.. but that's not real christianity, it's just all the leaders and all the priests and all the other versions of christianity that are crazy. My specific kind is based"
No, not is is not. All of it is cancer. All of it must go.

The most important reason for why christcuckery is poison is that christcucks have no skin in the game. Their prophesies say that there will be 1000 years of suffering, then salvation will come. They worship suffering. They want it, that is the prophesy. They believe in their childish fairytales well into the adult years. Now, that does not meant that there is no Creator, no God or Gods. But that God is not the jew god YHWE that commands all non-jews to slave for their benefit. Just slave, be pacifist, work and serve the elites and the jews. That is all christcuckery in this day and age is. A psychological weapon against the masses of people of European descent.

Christcuckery is parasitism. Christcuckery is self harm. Christcuckery is weakness. And worst of all, christcuckery is feminism of the worst kind - the kind that shuns personal responsibility and places it on the shoulders of someone else (faith in skydaddy after death).

>Reject christcucks and its dogmas wherever they are found, for they are the dogmas of a slave-religion.
Christcuckism is anti-National Socialism, anti-Fascism - it is anti-European, anti-Freedom and anti-Life.

>Reject the cult of slavery.

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The old testament is arguably more important than the new because without the old prophecies the new wouldn't have existed. Almost nobody preaches the old testament because almost no one is an actual christian in modern society as evidenced by the fact nearly every single church on the planet worships on a pagan sun god's day of worship aka sunday the first day when the bible scriptures do not support the sanctification of sunday. God rested on the 7th day, blessed the 7th day and sanctified the 7th day.

burden of proof is upon the claimant you claimed that the civil war was fought for religious purposes prove it.

That might be true, however, don't you realize that the president of Confederacy was literally a Jew? And no, I am not kidding, you can see for yourself if you want, and also, judging that he was a Jew, it is highly possibly that he never looked for justification of slavery in the New Testament, rather he had Torah to do the job for him.
That is all good and all friend but..... You realize that Hitler was a Christian, right?

Nice Try Satan.

source for what? Common Paul speaks about slavery a bunch of times, how a slave should submit to his master etc

You're obviously a Christian pretending to not be, so you should know the exact verses.

He doesn't realize that Hitler was a Christian, so therefore he should not follow the National Socialism by that logic since it's a "cuckstianity movement" lol

Jews don't believe the torah they preach the talmud which is what jesus rebuked them for and what they killed him over. They teach traditions of men as doctrine just like the catholics do.

Never read the entire Bible, and no, I repeat that I am not a Christian, but I am really curious about if they are telling the complete truth, or they are using an outdated verse to justify their hatred towards Christianity. I do not care if Christianity dies out, but if it dies, then make sure it dies with a good reason, not with this "kike on a stick" retardation

also don't ask for evidence if you can't be bothered to provide any yourself. Most slave owners were jews at the peak of american slavery which is almost ample evidence to say that the civil war was fought over jewish profits / voting rights of blacks. The jews in the north supported slavery too it's not like there was no one in the north who loved slavery it was just much more profitable in the south because of the plantation life that you didn't see as often in the north.

Isaiah 53. You should repent now.

>never read the entire bible
Wow, i never wold've guessed that. Not in 1 million years would i have figured you didn't read the bible considering how well you comprehend it and everything... /sarcasm Go read the KJV bible you cuck or at the very least read the chapters of the verses you seem to have a problem with such as john 4:22 so read all of john 4

That is not the case at all because we aren't islam

privately interpreting the bible leads you to the devil. the bible interprets itself and doesn't need anyone to correct or explain it.

This is True and anyone serious about Christ should research it but most don't i have been doing some and have found a few things interesting although some may say Heretical but it is mostly involved with Nag Hammadi scriptures and Gospels / Books that come from the Pre Nicene Period and the OT is important

Fun Fact most Christians didnt use the Hebrew Bible most couldn't even speak Hebrew and they used the
>Septuagint
and is what most of NT quote about ht e OT come from

and regarding the Sabbath your also correct the Bible Israelites used a luni-solar calendar and a new month starts on a New Moon and is a feast day then 6 work days and THEN the Sabbath so it falls an exact week later i have an App called WLC calendar and it explains it quite well

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>You realize that Hitler was a Christian, right?

No.

Both the religious Odinist movements and the cultist christcuck movements were toned down in the early years. The belief of otherwise comes from quotes and speeches made from way before 1933. Way before the National Socialists were in power. Claiming that Hitler was a christcuck is just mind gymnastics. There was just done some pandering to the cuckstians in Germany prior to the NSDAP were put in power that is all. A carrot dangled infront of the christcucks. The whole upper echelon of the NSDAP were made up of religious racialists, and after they were put in power, christcuckery was gradually phased out and replaced with pro-Germanic Racialism.

>National Socialism is not a cult-movement - a movement for worship; it is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship. - The Germanic Leader Adolf Hitler, Nuremberg 6th September 1938

Hitler was not a cuckstian. Hitlers Christa Schroeder personal secretary, Albert Speer Chief Architect, and Otto Dietrich Chief press secretary all said in there memoirs that Hitler was staunchly anti-cuckstian. David Irving even writes about Walther Hewel a German diplomat and Hitlers personal FRIEND said "over dinner this evening, a wonderful talk on the Roman Empire and its displacement by christianity. Christianity has been one long act of deceit and contradiction Christianity is the revenge of the wandering Jew"
From David Irving The War Path 1933-1939 If you do not trust Irving you are not searching for the truth but the fill your mind with mental fucking gymnastics for your shit semite religion.

Half-redpilled christcucks on pol sure have a reason to shoe horn Hitler as a "christian" but the verifiable reality is: Hitler was against christcuckery.

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Nice try, ahteist faggot.. He certainly believed in God.

Well you have a dumb opinion. Great job!

ooops wrong dude
meant to you this dude what are your thoughts about Nah Hammadi Library ? i know most says "Gnostic" heresy but i have been looking into early Christianity and there was more to it than what we have now they say Paul was even a "gnostic" but i dont mean it on the modern term most think about it because Christ is the Key to it as well

i was getting rid of my KJV and getting the Septuagint the 1526 NT and the 1977 Nag Hammadi Library and using that as a base for scripture

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I never really understood this argument. Yeah, Christianity is slave morality. That's pretty fucking obvious: look who wrote it.
You sit here and screech and pretend that your EVROPEAN BVLL ancestors weren't under the glory of the Cross when they were civilizing the entire world.
Every man in your bloodline who was born before the year 1900 was in church weekly. Believe it or not, slave morality for the good of one's community and the health of one's civilization is a perfectly reasonable, logical way for men to behave. The contemporary state of Christendom was established by the ZOG and they knew that once they undermined the Roman Catholics, the rest of the world was fucked. This was in the 1960s, when Dr. Richard Day was giving his talk. "Everything is in place, and nothing can stop us."
Hitler himself didn't offer you any guaranteed rights, except to die for the state as you were needed. The men who died fighting for the Reich of Nazi Germany were slaves to the bitter, freezing end. Many of them took enormous comfort in the fact that as they died, they were going to paradise everlasting with Christ and the Heavenly Father.
Now let's look at you, user. You trade in fiat currency. Your "rights" are understood to be privileges that your government affords you, which they can revoke at any time. Your actions are logged from birth to death, and some bureaucrat at a computer somewhere can look up anything he wants to about your life with little more than your name.
Maybe a bit of slave morality would do you some good.
I recommend finding a Latin Catholic church.
>He thinks that the Church wasn't pushing that war at every opportunity
o i am laffin. PROTESTANTS WERE DYING! The American South was one of the last non-papist Christian places on earth, and you think the Society of Jesus wasn't trying to raise the body count by any means necessary? The Czar was the only reason that Europeans didn't sail over to die on American soil.

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>Hitler was cuckstian
No, he most certainly was not a communist.
>communist?! WHAT?

Christcuckery is communism.

Marxism
>overtly advocates internationalized solidarity between working people / especially the oppressed. In reality creates an elite class of jews (propaganda-caste, banker-caste, politburo-caste) who live like untouchable demi-gods off a bunch of slaves.
>Formulated by a jew son-of-a-rabbi named Mordechai Levy who had is name europeanized - Karl Marx
>Improved upon by a europeanized jew named Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, alias Lenin
>promises a glorious future of stateless, raceless, equalitybased, utopian bliss and free shits in this world if you rise up and overthrow the )))non-communists(((
>advocates equality for all, pushes for whamyns rights, anti-racism, political equality, etc
>in its heyday spread quickly among the downtrodden and uprooted working classes of Europe and elsewhere

Early christianity
>overtly advocates internationalized solidarity between all people / especially the oppressed. In reality creates an elite class of jews (priest-caste, banker-caste, monarchy-caste) who live like untouchable demi-gods off a bunch of slaves.
>Formulated by a jew rabbi named ישוע (Yeshua) who had is name europeanized - Jesus Christos
>Improved upon by a europeanized jew named Sha'ul the Apostate of Goyim, alias Paul the Apostate of Gentiles
>promises a glorious future of statelessness, equality, utopian bliss and free shits in the next world if you stay a cuck and don't overthrow the (((christian leaders)))
>preaches equality for all, regardless of state, regardless of race, gender, free/unfree status before God - ie, "we are but one of His flock"
>in its heyday spread quickly among the downtrodden working classes of - and the rapefugees in - the Roman Empire

Hitler knew what communism was. As soon as you do, it does not take a man of even mediocre intellect to realize that christcuckery is exactly the same. By the jews and for the jews.

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There are 5 types of messages God gives in the Bible so it may be jumping the gun tk say John 4:22 is invidated by Revelations 3:9

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>We've walked the path of darkness, slaved for the pro-jewish, anti-European church for a few hundred years now, so let's keep at it

No thanks

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I do not even believe in your religion, so what are you trying to say? That I should burn in hell for actually wanting to find the truth? This is some anti-intellectual bullshit right here.

>checked
no he is saying that men can be wrong and be lead astray if you get it wrong and believe it wholeheartedly

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This is the people you are trying to debate.

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Judaism is to Christianity what an opening band is to a headlining band. It pales in comparison. The Old Testament and laws were foreshadowing the covenant and kingdom Jesus was going to establish.

>after pic related happened
you retarded and don't know what you speak of

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Yeah right, and spiderman is real because I read it in a book.
Also you just copy pasted it from pagans before you, more than half is found in prior mythos of mesopotamia and your entire calendar is copy paste from pagans and is rooted in astro theology, but Im retard kek

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So now you are defending circumcision? This is what Abraham did to himself and his children with some shitty sheep herding knife and you actually defend this vile act of sadism and complete lack of empathy and call yourself a moral good person? fucking shame on you, you baby hating enemy of humanity!

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just fucking evil and you defend it.
I spit on you!

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This is what they all went trough! It changes their brains! Jesus was mutilated as well, and his dick was sucked by a rabbi and you fucking defend this. No fucking excuse, no fantasy defense, its EVIL! YOU DONT DO THIS TO LITTLE BABIES!!!
And dont you dare to give me some brain washed piss poor excuse, go in the corner and think hard about things. Honestly, reevaluate yourself.

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you're putting words in my mouth i said WHY he did it not that i agree you're a fucking retard and you "spit" on me ouch keyboard warrior you're pretty though

53. His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision useful or not?"

He said to them, "If it were useful, their father would produce children already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become profitable in every respect."

gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

you should read the Gospel of Thomas and Jesus made a new Covenant the one of Abraham doesn't apply anymore really you know nothing about the religion and believe kike lies

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

t.some faggot

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>Yeah right, and spiderman is real because I read it in a book.
You do realize that God and a religion is a concept to explain why do we exist, and it's merely a product of a human mind trying to find a spiritual truth so he can live a happy life, right? But yeah, I forgot that the most of the atheist do not have any grain of brain inside their fucking head.

>Jesus was even circumcised!!!!

yeah im sure he asked for it right? it's like being baptized when you're a baby it doesn't count because you dont know why / or accept what is being done

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

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ITS THE SAME FUCKING GOD YOU IDIOT!
Circumcision is bad.
God commanded it to be done to millions of people.
God changed his mind.
Now that God is somehow ok again?
WTF!
Ok so what if God said, hey Abraham, go fuck your son with a stick. (I argue circumcision is worse than this) and then all of the people until Jesus got fucked with a stick by their fathers
You would be, oh but its ok now because God said we dont need to do it anymore.
Fucked up, fuck everyone who ever gave orders to injure babies! That is not Godly and you believe in that God all you want, but that is immoral and evil.

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Fuck your baby mutilating god!

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>it's the same God
no it not they started worshiping Satan in Babylon and even before kind of but were corrupted the most there

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

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I did not say god doesnt exist. I said some book doesnt make things inside of it true. He told me about fiery bush and how its ok to mutilate your genitals because in the book abraham had fiery bush that.
To that I replied you might as well trust a spiderman comic then.
Who said God doesnt exist? Quote me where I said that.

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fukkin' saved
BASED St. Ignatius

>it not they started worshiping Satan in Babylon and even before kind of but were corrupted the most there
Abraham was BEFORE babylon bondage.
Abraham WAS circumcisig himself and his children on gods command.
God gave evil command.
FUCK THAT GOD
fuck you too for trying to defend this evilness

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Well that kind of statement you've just put is usually screamed by retarded atheists, so I guess it was mine mistake this time. Sorry about that, but I can't really comprehend how do these retards called "atheism" realize that their fedora type atheism is literally the cult on its own lol

Who the fuck is talking about atheism here besides you?
Im talking about circumcision and how some book is not enough to justify such evil.
And that christians who dont do it today still worship same god who commanded such an evil act.

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you are quite stupid no wonder pagan faggots got BTFO by Christians read my post you stupid wanna be snow nigger

>Jesus sure loved the Jews!!!!!

You should Read Secret Teachings of All ages there were a few passages that talked about Odinism the premise behind it is very similar to Christianity but i have a strange hypothesis about that

>pic related

It's Paleo Hebrew im pretty sure

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Do you worship same God as Abraham? Yes
Did that same god commanded circumcision? Yes he did
Is circumcision fucking evil? yes it is
Why are you worshiping such a god?

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> {and even before} kind of but were corrupted the most there

and i quote YOU quoting me is it perfect no but i already said Jesus made a NEW COVENANT he also removed the dietary restrictions as well

YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

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its very simple logic man, no need to write walls of text of some bullshit fairy tales that I have 0 respect for, just answer me why do you worship evil god who commanded innocent babies to be tortured mutilated scared and traumatized for life and he changed his mind later, wow, that is no excuse in my book.
If I cut your sons dick of and then I cut another of your sons dick of and then I come to third one and I say, I changed my mind it would be ok?

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>said Jesus made a NEW COVENANT he also removed the dietary restrictions as well
THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
It still means that at some point God did order EVIL!

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you worship a god that ordered babies to get cut and then changed his mind about it.

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same fucking god

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and i have 0 repsect for grown men who cry like little bitches dude go whine some more that life isn't fair boohoo your a fag
>there is no past or future only the present

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I'm an exchristian and I've read the Bible. What he is trying to do is fucking moronic justify his Jew religion with a verse in Revelations that does not point out any specific people.

Christkike will then cherry pick throughout the Bible to justify Revelation. Funny thing is as a child growing up my favorite part of the Bible was Revelations.

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>t. butthurt bitch

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Smiri se kompa banut ce ti SOA.

What no more walls of fairy tale text? You give up? Cant handle simple logic of Abraham was commanded something by God that I worship, that command was bad, I worship same god, why?
So now you gonna ad some ad hominem and pretend you won :)
Really like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."

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Ignore
He's a nonwhite that lives in Utah and a fanatical Mormon . Even christkikes don't like him

Oni se slazu samnom po ovom pitanju.

oh look another kike washed faggot

>cherry picking
you obviously have NOT read the Bible it a testament to the vileness of "Jews"

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Yes that is what you are doing cherry picking

>Ignore
qui tacet consentire videtur

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I cherry pick these words of "god"

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no im keeping it simple you so you can understand

see now we laugh at (((you)))

nope Midwest you fucking faggot and no Christkikes would view me as a heretic and thats a good thing why would i want to be in league with brainwashed mutts who have to be spoonfed BS and accept it

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Ok keep it simple then for stupid old me, ok?
Lets try.
Do you worship same god as abraham, yes or no?

Close but no cigar. The Jews of the OT and Jesus' time were different than ones now. Hence LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL. "Jew" wasn't a term back then. The Pharisees hijacked the religion and still persist today as modern Jews. Hence the synagogue of Satan verse

i have explained this already and yes continually quoting scriptures from different books isn't cherry picking want me to read the New Testament to you?

you are retarded kikes and its's funny that you flock to threads like this and whine and bitch leave then faggots you CAME here to try to d/c

>if only you knew anything.....

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>Do you worship same god as abraham, yes or no?

Let me ask you a simple question christkike. What would someone who doesn't believe in the bible have the kind of image you have?

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