It doesn’t matter how you do the math. The tax increase to provide Medicare for roughly 400 million Americans is brutal. If everything works perfectly we’ll be paying roughly the same as we would for the healthcare we receive now. No longer pay private insurance. We just wouldn’t pay for something like a broken leg in a lump sum. That’s the ideal situation. Not at all the boogeymen many right wing people make it out to be. Then I recently learned that 77.5 million out of 171.3 million tax units (Think households) don’t even pay taxes. If healthcare becomes a “human right”. We foot the bill for nearly half of this country and their children.
Metaphorically, using the rich as human shields will only stop a few bullets. We are definitely getting shot. So boys, what’s your escape plan? The second this shit passes I am fucking out of here.
You don't understand how it works. A broken leg doesn't cost 100k but 10 effectively..easily covered by exisiting tax structures. Pharma made you think insulin pills are 80 usd, while we get them here for 5 with public healthcare, do the math.
Christian Cox
also understand you spend FUCKING 715 billion on military..you are a military welfare state user, literally socialism in its purest form only that you have to eventually lay down in iraq to get your teeth fixed.
Levi Watson
I agree with you we spend too much on our military but even if we abolished our military our nigger gibmedat programs would be completely unsustainable with or without “free” healthcare. It’s a great idea in Norway but it would never work here.
Luis Russell
troll thread troll hampster
Ian Perez
how much does that gibsmedat cost you each year, have you ever managed to find out? It's a mere fraction of your budget. Instead of kicking those below you for your own gibsmedats you should look above.
Jason Robinson
I read your post, saw your flag, and disregarded what I read.
Nolan Gomez
It wouldn't be a problem. If we didn't have Laquisha and her 7 kids living off of 'da gubmintz' money. Think of how long social welfare programs have existed (Fuck you LBJ). Since then more and more nog's just live of 'dat gubmint checks en sheit'. They make ZERO effort to get off it. Then we gotta pay for their public housing (ie: da projekts).
Now imagine these fucking people would just fucking have LEFT and went back to 'dey muthalands'. We would have a fuck ton of more money. And don't get me started on all these stank ass wet backs flooding the country because every Jew pushes "diversity" and forces them into white nation's. Meanwhile these fucking shylocks are sending all the nog's in Israel to Australia.
Once healthcare in America becomes """free"""", and our borders remain open, it's all over.
Michael Johnson
>Medicare for all Yes! Great idea. You saved up some money, are in your 30s. You get your first house, a nice little starter home (10 years later than your boomer parents). Whats this? Everyone now gets Medicare? Ok. Get a really bad flu, end up in the doctors for two days. Bill is $150,000, in reality Medicare will probably pay $1500. Oh well. Go home, check mail. >Your home now has a $150,000 lien against it. Enjoy you tiny shed for the rest of your life.
Elijah Anderson
Gibs me dat. Me want free thing.
But seriously tax laws are what is actually causing the massive divide between the very very wealthy and the average joe. If it were easier for the common person to be a business owner then it would be much better. Laws are so many and so common that you need to be 200iq to study them and run a business or be already wealthy to hire lawyers and accountants. And then there's the part about very wealthy people making the laws that they can find ways around.
Communism vs capitalism is a distraction created by the very people that are making the laws or influencing them they would like yiu to believe that low corporate tax = free market or taxing the individual more = prosperous society, so then you're arguing over bullshir that achieves nothing. You want cheap health care? Start supporting people that support the individual and not corporations. A distriputed health care system in where smalls business run their own practices will make it cheaper to access health care. Communism is not a solution because it results in the same situation we have now, centralisation of power and resources. The same people on top now end up on top.
Isaiah Rivera
I work in the medical field. No matter where you are in the western world, it is VERY difficult for a single doctor to set up a private practice. I mean something just like a general physicians office in a small town that can treat broken bones or infections. The US is a horrible offender for this. It completely de-incentivizes doctors from going off on their own and forces them to ever expanding large hospitals. In the US most of these practices are sold by old doctors when they retire for like 500,000+ dollars for the licenses because it is easier to join and take over a practice than it is to make your own.
I agree. But as you said, thr system de-incentivises doctors setting up their own practices. What if for market fairness, the government has some private practice scheme that does incentivies private practice. Or perhaps there's a law there making it harder to setup their own practice. I'm not really sure though what is de-incentivising doctors from doing this however.
Gabriel Walker
Over encumbering regulations. Like something as simple as modifying a room to act as a patients exam room, i.e. a trap to a drain so that if there is a spill of blood or medical waste it doesn't go into the sewer.
You will need a minimum of at least 2 inspectors to come in and verify the installation of a simple pipe. You will likely need to write up a community action plan for what to do if there is a spill in the sink. Oh you also need to make the room negative pressure, have hepa filters installed, thats another few permits and inspections. Oh and god forbid if you do not have a dedicated fuse specifically for that one room, gotta get electrical permit and another inspection. Then you gotta write like 10 pages for some bull shit form that board HR house wife's wrote up for every possible scenario that you may encounter (our lab has binders of these fucking stupid things). You will need to inform the community that you will be operating a bio safety environment. You would need to get approval from the city council and attend meetings.
Then after you do all this for 1 exam room, you need to repeat it for the X ray machine (different set of hazards) and for the lobby. Are you going to be delivering babies? Oh boy. You better have a neo-natal ICU because you cannot just deliver normal babies and direct difficult pregnancies to other hospitals, nooo, you need to be prepared. Oh and if you thought that the inspections and permits were hard for installing a drain trap for medical spills, just wait until you see the cluster fuck that these board house wives made to "protect children."
Ok, great so now you have spent over 1 year working for nothing, jumping through these hoops and get it all registered in good to go, spending >$500,000 in renovations, approved BSL2 contractors, inspections, fees, ect. Now NOW you are ALLOWED to APPLY for your fucking practice.
At thid point that all sounds intentional to stop people being successful unless you're a government or already a large corporation.
Austin Rivera
I also get that some of that is necessary.
Isaac Foster
It's much higher than our military budget.
Juan Nguyen
Additionally, if you have been to the US you will likely have seen rotting fruit at convenience stores that no one buys and they sell for like 5 cents. Why is this fruit there? because some fuck wit do gooders on the city council wanted to address nutrition in low income areas.
Now the cluster fuck of do gooder laws around doctors is fucking insane. Depending on the area, who fucking knows what laws they passed. Your private physicians office might need to >Provide sexual health i.e. pregnancy care before birth, birth control and pregnancy counseling, potentially abortions. >Geriatric and dementia care. >Drug abuse care, or fucking providing needles and methadone to junkies. >Care for rare diseases and syndromes, they love to pass these rare disease laws. Shit that effects like 1/100,000,000 people. >Provide pain management programs.
Additionally, you may likely need to >Accept medicade and low income patients >Allow payment plans for low income people (i.e. not get paid) >Not be allowed to refuse a patient, like say an illegal alien.
The regulations are a cluster fuck of insanity. Oh and they keep passing more and more laws and regulations because of opiate abuse and such.
John Cox
Wouldn’t that all be a business expense you depreciate over time to reduce your tax exposure? Seems you need a good accountant. Frankly, doctors often make really really shitty business people, and aren’t getting the gibs they’re entitled to.
Alexander Jones
I am not talking about say the cost of converting a building. Rather the massive decentralized regulations around doing so. How it is a completely different process for every little thing you need to do and each require their own permits, inspections and hearings.
Additional laws and regulations I mentioned above are a huge issue. Like forcing all private physicians in an area to provide neo natal ICU care, or because one board house wife on the city council has a kid with DerpGerpWitz syndrome or what ever, all doctors now need to provide super specialized care (a completely separate license from general practice).
Ayden Gutierrez
(((Who))) benefits from keeping the goyim afraid of being shot with a rubber bullet in the face or leg, permanently maiming them and forcing them to pay out of pocket for medical costs for the rest of their life, if not losing their job in the process?
Yellow Vests can riot in the streets because the damage caused by a few flash balls to the face or removal of your hand by Macronbots are covered in whole for the rest of your life by your fellow countrymen.
Adam Turner
You already pay for Shaniqua and Tyrone's medical care via Medicaid and Medicare. They qualify unlike working class Whites, who are stuck with high deductible health plans.
It would provide motivation to shut borders because every added citizen who doesn't pay into the system is even morw of an overt expense to the Federal government.
Kayden Mitchell
>the american way that's why you are a homeschooled subhuman, same as your parents lel
Ayden Adams
military welfare is 3/4th of that budget and all it does is get your children killed while messing up the world
Carter Campbell
Unless medicare can dictate prices directly to the companies instead of bidding and have an effective monopoly to prevent those companies only selling to those willing to take their high prices, this whole thing will just end up being a massive clusterfuck.
Grayson Taylor
Im not a medical doctor, but I work with a bunch. In the US I see the same fucking problems over and over.
They move from out of state to work in a large hospital, and just to get their medical license approved in their new state is a huge ordeal. They usually spend like 2 months of reading, forms, meetings, interviews, tests, more forms, then wait another 4 months before they get approved, and this is for a large hospital with a lot of support staff to help with this processes. Even if they had a licenses in another state.
This is like 2 solid months of work and 6 months of time for just 1 of the many steps you need to do to just to get started. Also, you are probably like 300k in debt before you start from medical school. So good luck getting another 500k loan. Also the interest on 800k in debt would require substantial payments if you do not want to see that sum inflate out of control, and doctors in the middle of South Dakota would be lucky to make $70K
David Reyes
God forbid doctors actually do doctor stuff and not worry about learning to be a zone contractor.
Jayden Clark
That's not how Medicare for all as proposed works. What will happen is that premiums and copay will be eliminated completely as the federal government starts to administer a program similar to what the rest of the West does, paying for treatment directly in full without having to emulate private insurance schemes. This includes medical, vision, dental, hearing, and reproductive care.
Luis Rodriguez
lol, like how the ACA completely wiped out any chance of inheritance because every boomer in SS has Obama care and a lien on their property.
The government gets their money back.
Owen Kelly
People always get caught up with money and how much stuff costs instead of realizing that money is an abstraction.
Can we devise a system with less administrative overhead (fewer coders, billers, insurance agents, etc) that encourages healthy living to reduce costs?
Probably, but I don't expect anything good from the government. I work in healthcare and as far as I can tell every bit of government intervention has made things worse.
ACA wasn't universal healthcare. It, like many of the reforms passed by the King Nigger administration, was a way to funnel money into corporate donors pockets.
If the federal government administer Medicare for all they will have no reason to force a lien on your property because everyone will be eligible. The reason they do it now is because your property is counted towards your assets and depending on type of property, income, which constitutes fraud at worst or simply a sign that you could actually afford more than you say you can at best if they catch you screwing the federal government over. They barely enforce the lien claims as is nowadays.
Jack Torres
*administered
Nathaniel Baker
Thanks to Citizens United this is how our HC decisions are made.
WHY IS THIS GIF SO CUTE, FUCKING HAMSTER OF DEATH!
John Lopez
>If the federal government administer Medicare for all do you think they will keep insurance companies?
I know it sound like an absolutely retarded concept, as in why have insurance companies if you have an NIH style system. I think they will keep insurance companies, as private companies, paid by more and more tax payer dollars. Also the universal health care works super fucking well in the UK and Canada, and in case you cannot tell I am being sarcastic.
Jonathan Brown
Medicare has the least overhead cost compared to private insurance and we would save money not only on the end of the payer in a singly payer system, but also hospital billing and administration as well. The reason federal government intervention is expensive and prohibitive now is because we're stuck in the inefficient and corrupt middle ground between public and privately run health insurance systems. People want health insurance companies to comply with regulations to ensure at least somewhat fair treatment and security of their personal data (despite deficits in those areas in practice), but private companies struggle more to adhere to the draconian labrynth of laws that the government also follows, albeit more efficiently because laws on how private companies can behave are usually modeled on the restrictions placed on government agencies.
Universal healthcare works well in Germany, France, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Denmark, off the top of my head.
And yeah, I think now would be a good time to go whole hog and absolutely remove any private insurance because they've proven to be more like parasitic middlemen that bloat the cost of healthcare instead of extending affordable and acceptable coverage to a majority of the US population.
ACA proved giving handouts to corporations doesnt work. Which is why Medicare absorbing all of the functions would be better for society compared to now.
Christian Rogers
Yes, price fixing has worked so well in all other areas it was tried. Based on your time zone I suspect you are shit posting out of a data center in India on a vpn. How much do you get paid an hour?
Lincoln Allen
Look at my flag fucker. I know you get paid, because you probably spam post the same shit on reddit and Jow Forums and do not know reddit spacing, also the scripted way you respond. It is like talking to a chat bot or NPC.
US health care is better, and CHEAPER, than Norway. OMFG how is that possible!?!?! Because it is not free in Norway and the taxes are fucking insane. I effectively pay 50% tax.
Jayden Brown
>also understand you spend FUCKING 715 billion on military..you are a military welfare state user, literally socialism in its purest form only that you have to eventually lay down in iraq to get your teeth fixed.
We do pay a lot for military, and a big reason for that is because Europe doesn't. Look how many European countries pay into Nato. want to know how many pay what's agreed upon? 4. Out of 27. Including Germany, which should be paying DOUBLE of what it currently is.
But yes I'd personally like the US to pull all their positions around the world, save a bunch of money, and laugh as they watch these eurofags have to cut their social programs because they are now forced to have to pay for military defense.
Samuel Ortiz
>Checks flag. Are you an American in Canada? I've noticed that Canadians often think they are part of the US.
Honestly I just want to be able to go to a protest every weekend to let people know it's not OK for Whites to be replaced en masse with niggers, and maybe lower taxes in other areas, but the threat of having my life ruined by a permanent injury and the resultant medical costs if the ZOGbots say it's not kosher to point out the Jews are behind it means we can't have Yellow Vest style recurrent protests on the matter. People simply can't afford to have their jobs lost and more bills to pay here to risk it.
How many other services do you recieve? How well did your society function until a ton of sandniggers got dumped onto you? It seems to me like everybody was fine with social safety nets and universal healthcare in your country up until recently. The average premium here is $400 per month, in addition to out of pocket copay which can range from $20 to $200+ for medications, office visits, and ER visits. Surgery usually costs a few thousand. It costs about $1000 for a 2 mile ambulance ride. You might have high taxes but you don't have to worry about going bankrupt over an injury or accident.
Carter Howard
A rough calculation is ~$875-950 dollars a month is what I pay myself to the national health insurance program, and I am 1 person. There is also like a 1500$ a year deductible on all things, a $8000 dollar a year deductible on mental health treatment. No dental or eye vision coverage.
Lincoln Perez
The deductible for private high deductible plans here is about $1350 for general care, even through employers. These generally don't include eye or dental care either. Deductibles are higher if you have a family. So currently over half of all Americans have about not much better than what you're getting based on deductibles alone.
Dominic Moore
americanfags are retarded they literally pay the most for healthcare and die years before western europeans who "pay thoose bad taxes" kill yourself retarded ancap faggots
