Read "Democracy: The God that Failed" By H.H. Hoppe. It explains why we're rapidly turning into a clown world.
Here's the quick rundown:
Every person has something called a time preference. It's basically how much you are willing to invest into something in the future (like buying real estate, buying stocks, making long term plans, being financially and socially responsible, not riding the cock carousel until you hit the wall, ect) in hopes of this investment becoming more valuable to you in the future than now in the present. This is called a low time preference, as opposed to a high one.
Someone with a high TP lives in the present, going from immediate pleasure to immediate pleasure, from pop culture trend to pop culture trend and from chad cock to tyrone cock. People with extremely high TPs are what we call NPCs.
It's evident that the general TP of the population has been getting lower and lower ever since the start of the 20th century. But why? What can cause such a dramatic social decline?
Read "Democracy: The God that Failed" By H.H. Hoppe. It explains why we're rapidly turning into a clown world
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It's the modern welfare state. By providing various governmental services designed to "help the people" (like Welfare, Social Security, Assertive Action, Minimum Wages, Rent Control, UBI and high taxes) the government effectively double the population's TP because they didn't HAVE to plan into the future anymore, as the government was always there to catch their fall should their lifestyle come to bite them in the ass. A minimum wage means that many people could comfortably finance their degenerate outings by flipping burgers or painting nails instead of working and planning to advance by leaving their shitty job behind so that they can have more money in the future, allowing them to live better than now.
But they needn't do this in the current year. The minimum wage is more than enough to live a hedonistic lifestyle.
Social Security means that people don't have to have a big family anymore. If they don't find a spouse to have kids with, they can just retire as smug bomers and live off their pension instead of counting on financial support from their family. This is why marriage rate has been declining all over the west, and consequently why white fertility rates have entered a deep dive also
Taxation is a slightly different matter. High taxes increase TP by making the loss of a set percentage of one's fortune every year a certainty. This makes accumulating wealth (which requires extensive effort. future planning and investing) unattractive, because you're gonna lose a part of it anyways. This effect is strengthened by having progressive tax rates, meaning that the more money you make, the more the state takes away.
So why would you bother with investing and planning (and generating more wealth for society as a whole if you succeed) if you can live your NPC life on the minimum wage, or even on welfare?
This means that the only way to halt and reverse this process of "decivilization" we are experiencing is to significantly curtail the power wielded by the state.
Cut taxes. Cut social security. End the welfare state.
It might seem harsh, but it's the only way.
was just talking about this to someone. those of us ex-libertarians of the 07/08 era went one of two paths. The npc's went the path of gay sex, open borders, and marijuana and just became shitty liberals. Those of us who read Rothbard and eventually Hoppe eventually became...totalitarian.
The moment the change occurs is when you read 'physically removed' and realize its true.
>Those of us who read Rothbard and eventually Hoppe eventually became...totalitarian
I don't know how you came to that conclusion from either one of the two.
Libertarianism is ultimately a waystation on a larger path. It's untenable, it's a nonstarter, and its utterly utopian. But it has some important truths in it.Time preference being one of the more important concepts.
The types of libertarians who are 'lol weed let's all have freedom and open borders up' are npcs. The ones who are (were) using it as a framework to try and build a more civilized world move past it rather quickly. As you age you see the NAP as complete autistic trash and that the game is always about acquiring and using power for your people.
Just to give you a hint of what's coming for you: all of my friends who were ancaps or rothbardian/hoppian libertarians back then are now Christian nationalists or Christian fascists with the exception of one nationalist jew who hates jews.
>taxes bad
Good goy
>Every person has something called a time preference. It's basically how much you are willing to invest into something in the future (like buying real estate, buying stocks, making long term plans, being financially and socially responsible, not riding the cock carousel until you hit the wall, ect) in hopes of this investment becoming more valuable to you in the future than now in the present. This is called a low time preference, as opposed to a high one.
>Someone with a high TP lives in the present, going from immediate pleasure to immediate pleasure, from pop culture trend to pop culture trend and from chad cock to tyrone cock. People with extremely high TPs are what we call NPCs.
sounds absolutely bananas.
That's hardly relevant commentary on democracy. If that's all he says better read Tocqueville his book on democracy in America is legendary and has valuable insight from an earlier age when democracy was seen with eyes not blinded by modern ideology.
Also, democracy was used to kill Socrates.
not bananas at all. a society run by gamblers and pleasure seekers, ie high time preference, will degenerate. a society run by long term planners who delay gratification in exchange for investment, financial or otherwise, will prosper. the former are vast majority, and the latter are few. therefore democracy is cancer.
>totalitarian
If anything I just became more "libertarian" depending on how you define it. Freedom of association is all we need.
You seem to be looking at this from a top-down perspective, when the options for bottom-up rebellion haven't been exhausted. States are capable of nullifying federal laws for example, and while most people believe a state couldn't secede, most people wouldn't want to stop it if a state does. We should get to a point of extreme federalism "Oh those wacky Indianans, at least I live in a sensible state with sensible policies" rather than being in a state of "if we don't oppress them, they'll oppress us".
>That's hardly relevant commentary on democracy.
If anything it can be applied to the democracy we have. Politicians just focus on re-election rather than the long-term future of the country. Thus they'll advocate for things like increased pensions, which are favorable but the person after them will have to deal with the consequences. Their time preference is at most their term limit.
>cut taxes
>cut special security
sounds like a good way to start riots and revolution. let me know how that works out for you faggot.
Damn, thats really interesting. kinda explains how i think.
I'm in the Navy and plan to stay in for 20 years until I can get retirement, then move to washington state to become a paramedic which has been my dream since childhood.
>cut social security
Yeah I think we can take on the 65+ population, especially if most of the younger ones are convinced they're never going to see a dime of what they're putting in through taxes.
>become a paramedic
What are you doing now to achieve that? Isn't that a pretty selective and young field?
Fuck off faget
>too stupid to understand a simple concept.
NPC spotted
The problem is as long as democracy existst npcs will never allow it to fall.The only way the system can change is through a war/some calamity/or a economic colapse that will require someone like Pinochet to assume manual control.
>But they needn't do this in the current year. The minimum wage is more than enough to live a hedonistic lifestyle.
Wut? Where can a nigga live and smoke weed all day like that?
Get out of here seamen.
Its all designed to bring in neofeudalist corporatism, socialism is just what the banker technocrats of the world use to destroy countries and then bring in their corporate tyranny
>the rich dont pay taxes
>we have to raise taxes!
retard sheeple like you are what prop up the corporatist statist tyrants of the world
>My car was in my garage while I was on exchange for a semester
>The government forces you to take your car to a check every now and then, so they can see if there are any faults
>Either that or you have to unregrister the car and handover the number plates
>Not able to bring my car for the check
>Tell them I’m away and I will bring it in once I’m back. The car is not driving on the road
>Doesn’t matter they send me a 1000$ fine
Fuck this communist shithole. Why can’t the government just fuck off. Literally just fuck off and leave me alone.
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You would better of reading these essays first -the incorporate all the good elements hoppes critiques of democracy but dispense with the anarchist larping. Ancap is a dead end that can’t really be taken seriously at this point .
we will have to make our own covenant communities
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Ancap is based on some of the worst pseudo philosophy there is, in fact the entire liberal tradition is based on lies. The state isn’t going anywhere and doubling down on liberalism / anarchism will only make things worse .
>Good goy
Gates, Buffett, Munger are for higher Taxes. Not sure about Bezos, Soros, Zuck though
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Hoppe is technically correct about everything.
However he like every other libertarian can't grasp pragmatism or the natural order, namely how do they get around the fact that only Europeans give a shit about liberty and brown ghouls (who will soon be the voting majority, or in the UK 30%) almost always vote for socialism and state largess?
They just then let it boil down do collapse cult and crossing fingers for day of the rope mad Max like it's straight from Jow Forums unironically.
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'Democracy the God that Failed' is a must read for all Libertarians. No joke, read it.
He is the only one who is able to extend libertarianism into a full political ideology. Without him there are massive logical gaps that are detrimental to it's continued existence.
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>general TP of the population has been getting lower and lower ever since the start of the 20th century. But why? What can cause such a dramatic social decline?
White people differ from others because we lived in a harsh environment, and had to prep most of the year to survive winter. High time preference people would be less likely to prepare properly, and die. Modern civilization celebrates these fools. They really are equal to Third World morons, that live in less harsh places. All our technology comes from us going through harsh natural selection by nature itself. You had to be smart and resourceful to survive.
The world moves so fast now.
I’m talking to you on a device that did not exist 10 years ago.
How can anyone invest in a future they don’t understand?
So it's the gratification model. Same thing. And guess what? It can be predicted in a very early childhood and doesn't change with time. Sounds genetic to me.
Pascal's wager. Invest in the future, and if there is no future, did you really lose anything?
It's more about the delayed gratification.
You go to school- you invest in your future. You save the money you make and avoid debt- you are investing in your future.
Do you get it now?
>ending government intervention and leeches
>they'll have the effort or ability to revolt
Your proletariat are dying day after day. Your ideology is garbage and you're a subhuman for believing in it. I'd wish someone shot you, but it would be a waste of a good round.
All it would do is prove your fantasy is false and make people have to be self-sufficient again. I know that's too much for you to handle, manchild, so do the world a favor and die already so we can move on from you.
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Technocrats, Corporatists, Zionists, they're all the different flavors of the same shit sandwhich.
The eternal lobbyist. Elimination of Lobbyism would be the elimination of the threat to a 95% capitalist economy (the best flavor).
national capitalism is the way to go, get meritocracy AND muh roads.
>Someone with a high TP lives in the present, going from immediate pleasure to immediate pleasure, from pop culture trend to pop culture trend and from chad cock to tyrone cock. People with extremely high TPs are what we call NPCs.
>It's evident that the general TP of the population has been getting lower and lower ever since the start of the 20th century. But why?
easy, capitalism. at the turn of the century is when consumerism started. material products with instant gratification is what our economy runs on and is what is encouraged in the populace. go turn on the TV or turn off ad block and what do you see? you will be bomarded with thousands of adverts trying to convince you to part with your money for material pleasure.